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    Jul 10, 2008, 10:17 AM - So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #1

    Here's one for the mathematicians:

    How fast is the Milennium Falcon, really?
    Han Solo said She did the Kesstle Run in less than 12 parsecs.

    Lets break this down. First, the Kessel run.

    This quote from Wookiepedia:
    The Kessel Run was an 18-parsec (Roughly 58 Light Years - Wikipedia) route used by smugglers to move glitterstim spice from Kessel to an area south of the Si'Klaata Cluster without getting caught by the Imperial ships that were guarding the movement of spice from Kessel's mines. Worlds along the Kessel Run included Fwillsving, Randa, Rion, and possibly Zerm.
    It took travelers in real space around The Maw (Black hole cluster) leading them to an uninhabitable—but far easier to navigate—area of space called The Pit, which was an asteroid cluster encased in a nebula arm making sensors as well as pilots go virtually blind. Thus there was a high chance that pilots, weary from the long flight through real space, would crash into an asteroid.
    Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec is a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance, he may have indirectly referred to the speed of his ship here because to be able to go closer to black hole and still be able to get out of its gravitational pull you will need to be able to go faster.
    Ok, so Solo did the Kessel Run in 11.5 parsecs.
    Wikipedia says that a parsec is a unit of distance to the value of 3.26156 light-years.

    Therefore Solo, did the Kessel Run in 3.26 light years x 11.5, giving us a distance of 37.5 light years.


    Now, Solo also said
    She'll make point five past Light Speed
    Which to me, means at full pelt, the top speed of The Falcon is 1.5 x Light speed.
    This gives us a top speed of 1.5 light years per year.

    So given that the distance they completed the Kessel Run = 37.5 light years
    And the Falcon's top speed = 1.5 Light Years/year


    I make that the whle trip would have lasted a total of 25 years.

    Wow.
    And thats at constant, full speed!!!!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 10:29 AM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #2

    you got too much time on your hands

    or did Solo work this out during his 25 years doing the Kessel run
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    Jul 10, 2008, 10:40 AM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #3

    Waaaaaay tooo much time... But do you know the atomic weight of Bromide???
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    Jul 10, 2008, 11:19 AM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #4

    How is it that the Millennium Falcon gets to Bespin without a hyperdrive? The closest star to Earth that is not the sun is over 4 light years away. So even if Bespin was extremely close to where they were (it wasn't) it would've taken them 4 years at the speed of light and they didn't even have a hyperdrive.
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    Jul 10, 2008, 11:43 AM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #5

    Quote Boomer Fett said: View Post
    Waaaaaay tooo much time... But do you know the atomic weight of Bromide???
    Bromide is actually a compound of Bromine and another element.

    For example, a compound might be Hydrogen and Bromine giving Hydrogen Bromide. H--B
    As for the atomic weight, well this is how it looks for Bromine:

    Atomic Number: 35
    Symbol: Br
    Atomic Weight: 79.904


    And yeah, I work away from home, so sometimes there's not a hell of a lot to do!!



    I'm really surprised at the amount of activity in this thread, thanks for chiming in you guys!!!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 11:49 AM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #6

    Go grow a garden or something
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    Jul 10, 2008, 12:02 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #7

    Ok.. well first of all i think GL put 12 parsecs in the script because it sounded cool..

    None the less. In an interview with him GL that i once saw, he tried to explain that when the millenium falcon did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs Han Solo was actually refering the the speed of the hyperdrive computer which computed all the different jumps to get from point A to point B.

    I belive what he was trying to say was that other computers were slower and not as accurate. Hence their jumps needed larger margins for error and thus did longer jumps. The ME on the other hand was more precise and take more short-cuts.

    So the red arrow would be the ME, while the other (green and blue) are other ships.



    Now it's been a really, really long time since i did calculations with vectors but perhaps someone else can do it?

    Anyway.. this is the way i figured it was..

    But a personal theory on the ".5 past light speed" that might just be (and mind you i'm no physics expert) the ME's top speed in "normal space". It might not have any relevance once the ME goes into "Hyperspace". The physics of the normal world might not apply there so the .5 past lightspeed might not have any relevance there.

    just a thought...
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    Jul 10, 2008, 12:06 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #8

    Quote Darth Paul said: View Post
    Bromide is actually a compound of Bromine and another element.

    For example, a compound might be Hydrogen and Bromine giving Hydrogen Bromide. H--B
    As for the atomic weight, well this is how it looks for Bromine:

    Atomic Number: 35
    Symbol: Br
    Atomic Weight: 79.904


    And yeah, I work away from home, so sometimes there's not a hell of a lot to do!!



    I'm really surprised at the amount of activity in this thread, thanks for chiming in you guys!!!

    Wow! YOU ARE DA MAN!!!!! You Gotta love it!!!!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 12:07 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #9

    Okay...What are the only single element liquids known to man????? Hmmmm????
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    Jul 10, 2008, 12:56 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #10

    BOBA SWEDE: Wiki says this about the Hyperdrive:
    it may provide a shortcut between two points in real space, thus effectively increasing the ship's speed by reducing distance travelled rather than time taken.
    So my thinking is, whatever means of propulsion the Falcon uses, 11.5 parsecs would remain constant.

    Your ace graph kinda proves that point correct, I'd say.

    I can't find anything relating to Hyperspace physics, probably because (and I'm sorry to have to tell you this, guys ) Hyperspace is a science Fiction theory. So I can't find an argument that physical laws in hyperspace would be any different to those in normal space!

    Therefore, tell me if I'm wrong, but I think the Falcon's top speed would still be 1.5 x light speed...


    Boomer Fett: Is the answer Bromine, Iodine or Mercury? You didn't indicate standard temperature pressure...



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    Jul 10, 2008, 12:57 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #11

    Now my brain hurts!! :/
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    Jul 10, 2008, 1:09 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #12

    Quote Ronin677 said: View Post
    you got too much time on your hands

    or did Solo work this out during his 25 years doing the Kessel run
    Can you imagine startin on the Kessel Run, THEN doing the maths!!!
    Don't think there was any facility for stasis on the Falcon!


    I bet he was awesome at Solitaire by the end!!!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 2:21 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #13

    You DA MAN!!! Mercury is correct. Standard temps. YOU ROCK! What Han didn't ever say was that he was 426 years old already...
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    Jul 10, 2008, 2:27 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #14

    My head just asploded!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 2:31 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #15

    jeez, I have not seen this sort of stuff since university
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    Jul 10, 2008, 2:36 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #16

    Quote LostSonOfSparda said: View Post
    My head just asploded!
    Brother, I read your signature line and my head asplodes!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 3:58 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #17

    I like chocolate milk.
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    Jul 10, 2008, 3:59 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #18

    Quote SWFreak said: View Post
    I like chocolate milk.
    God! My wife says that all the time!!!LOL!!!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 4:09 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #19

    And I thought it was just a movie!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 4:12 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #20

    The lessons are endless....... It all began with this galaxy far......
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    Jul 10, 2008, 10:21 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #21

    Okay, ya gotta throw real physics out the window with Star Wars. I thought I heard somewhere that the Star Wars galaxy was about the same size as the Andromeda galaxy, which is about twice as big as ours. Even if it ain't, ours alone is approx 100,000 light-years across. In the movies, getting from one side to the other takes days, or weeks.

    Now, according to the Roleplaying game by WEG they had a hyperspace route chart which showed how many days it would take getting from certain systems to another, and starship hyperdrives were classed with a "multiplier number". So for example, if it took 2 days to get from Tatooine to Alderaan with a (pretty fast) "x1" hyperdirve, a "x4" hyperdrive would take 8 days. The Falcon had a "x1/2" hyperdrive (half) so that would only take one day. As we all know, a half equals 0.5 (point five). So if we go by what the game says, "point 5 past lightspeed" is not just a smidge faster than lightspeed, it is a DARN sight faster!

    Either way, lightspeed is not any kind of realistic travelling speed, it is merely the thresh-hold speed that pushes a ship into hyperspace, at which point, the normal rules of physics (like they count in Star Wars) do not apply. Therefore, trips to other systems may take only hours or days.

    And for those who aren't aware, yes, a "parsec" is a measurement of distance (not time) , but the whole point of the Kessel Run is to shave as much distance off the trip as poss, thereby (presumably) shortening the time. Kessel is inside an area known as The Maw, a group of black holes (about 11 I think) that all continuously orbit each other. The trick is to calculate the best possible route through The Maw in the shortest route possible, getting as close to the black holes as possible without getting caught in one. Or getting caught by the patrols. 8) The less parsecs you do it in, the shorter the route, the quicker the time. And Han doesn't hold the record - that belongs to BoShek if I recall.


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    Jul 10, 2008, 10:26 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #22

    Quote Foxbatkllr said: View Post
    How is it that the Millennium Falcon gets to Bespin without a hyperdrive? The closest star to Earth that is not the sun is over 4 light years away. So even if Bespin was extremely close to where they were (it wasn't) it would've taken them 4 years at the speed of light and they didn't even have a hyperdrive.
    Again, according to the roleplaying game, many ships have hyperdrive backups that can get you to nearby systems. Not as fast as a proper hyperdrive, but good in emergencies!


    And watch out for
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    Jul 10, 2008, 10:37 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #23

    Good god... O_o my brain, lol...

    El1te
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    Jul 10, 2008, 11:38 PM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #24

    I once had a firespray class ship with a flux capacitor, It could get from tatooine to alderaan yesterday, but only once it reached 88 mph!
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    Jul 11, 2008, 12:04 AM - Re: So the Millennium Falcon did the Kessel Run in Less than 12 parsecs, huh? #25

    Quote SWFreak said: View Post
    I like chocolate milk.

    me too. and kittens.

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