RECASTING - A must read ...

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3 sets of everything you have made? now you are straight up lying... i bought 3 sets of armor, all of which were sold to individuals here on TDH...the latest set i sold because of mishappenings with you and that transaction, i didnt want it anymore... i bought a helmet, which you lied to me about and in the process you told me you forgot about me...??? it has been sold... i bought 3 holsters, 2 of which were sold to individuals here, and the money i got from those went straight to you...you are welcome...and the 3rd one is, well, the one used to cause this mess... so dont go saying false things here man, i have not lied...

and playing the teacher card....kudos to you man...you dont know me, or what i do...you have no clue what goes on here, or how i touch the lives of my students...this has nothing to do with that, and you lower yourself to even go there...i would have never have done this if i didnt get the green light from admin...

do you not read? i got $5 out of a holster...please...

FettDad said:

i know whose side you are on, Art, the guy who made you ALOT of money with GMH helmet project...cheers! :cheers

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FD, your animosity toward me is misplaced as my only interest here is to resolve a misunderstanding. In regard to the GMH project, it is unfortunate to see you desperately grasping for a reason that you feel you are being mistreated, but you couldn't be more wrong since I am not making anything on that project. While it really isn't pertinent to this conversation, so you don't appear so ignorant when speaking about this in the future, Chris refunded me a part of the purchase price of the helmet, and is sending me a couple of copies. Outside of that, I am not making anything and have nothing to gain financially by defending him.

FettDad said:

admin doesnt believe me, cause fettpride doesnt...isnt that who we serve?

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Again, not sure why you feel the need to vent your agression at the staff or why you are accusing us of not believing you. Considering the situation, what is it we supposedly aren't believing you about?

FettDad said:

as far as asok is concerned, really? he hasnt been admin for years? news to me...???

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It isn't our fault that you are not aware of this, nor does it have any bearings on this discussion.

FettDad said:

so the rules have changed since he has left? thanks for letting us know...:cheers i guess when you run the site, you can change rules and how they are worded on a daily basis...great!

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The rules and the wording of the rules haven't changed in probably 6 or 7 years at this point. We did change the ToS a while back but sent out messages to all the members when that happened, but those changes had nothing to do with casting or recasting.

FettDad said:

if banning is needed, i understand fully...

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Given you aggressive tone, I would say, no, you don't understand and it might behoove you to strive for a bit of understanding instead of blasting away from the hip as you are currently doing.


Now that I have responded to your post, let me share some information with you, and the community.

I called Bill (asok) today and we had a chat regarding his interaction with you.

Here was your PM to Bill.

FettDad said:

hey brother, question for you...i have a cast of a found piece, and the cast was not a good one, so did some work on it to make it better...now i have a reworked piece that i would like to make casts of...is the recasting or something that would get me banned if i went ahead and did it? it is a found piece, but it is a cast of it, so someone has put work into it...but i also did some modifying as well...thanks man! let me know asap
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And here was Bill's response.

asok said:

Seeing that it is a found part, I would say it is okay. Just my 2 cents.

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While you were a bit vague in your question to Bill, after having a chat with Bill it is clear that Bill's personal beliefs regarding the casting and recasting of found parts differs from the sites official stance on the matter and Bill was not aware of this difference. Do not think I am throwing Bill under the bus because I am not. Bill simply wasn't clear on the issue and his own personal feelings do not match that of the site. So, his response to you came from his personal beliefs and didn't reflect the stance of the site. Again, just so everyone is clear, the site does not support the recasting of a cast part created by another member.

As I said early on, this is clearly a misunderstanding which could have easily been resolved with a couple of phone calls instead of all this unnecessary aggression and drama.

Mullreel said:

I just hope this can be resolved to a reasonable end


my 2 cents

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fettpride said:

It seriously bewilders me, that after all is said and done, that
people use words like "Allegedly", and "Hope this can be
resolved".

Am I seriously the only one on the planet that sees what
has transpired here? Is there any way to resolve a situation
where someone steals from you?

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Just to quickly address this . I am not making light of the issue. For reference the movie I was refering to is about an inventor who felt he was slighted by the Ford motor company and sued them.

And if you knew what I do for a living you would know that my use of the word "reasonable" is pretty drastic. I can shoot a man as long as I am reasonable. A reasoned end just means that all of the facts are wieghed and the decision makes sense for the situation.

any who.... I am going to go work on my Jango because I really love this hobby

FettDad I am extremely disappointed in your actions that have caused this and your blatent disregard for others here on this forum. You recast an item you knew was not your own work. That is recasting. Period. If you really had questions about if it was alright and if you were so concerned about if it was ok then why didn't you just contact Chris and ask him. You didn't because you were trying to on the sly get an "admins" approval by misleading them. This would allow you to feel like you were in the clear. However, you knew that it was wrong which was why you never openly sold them on the forum. To top this all off when confronted about it you admit to recasting an item and feel like there is nothing wrong with it. What forums are you a member of where this is ok? I am a member almost everywhere and no one tolerates this. You have stolen from Chris and that is unexcuseable. I for one ask that FettDad be banned from this site. His continued presence does nothing but spread seeds of discontent and the feeling that this is ok. If anyone here knowingly does business with him you should feel ashamed. I have nothing to gain from this other than as a fellow Okie hoping that a bad reputation doesn't fall upon our state as I have seen it do on others. This is the heartland where people go out of their way to help others not take from them. You have ruined that ideal and should be ashamed of yourself.

DarthVeach said:

How come the admin staff aren't more clearly tagged? I think it would be helpful. It is how I see it on a lot of other forums. "Admin" appears somewhere on their profile. Just an idea.

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I've always thought it was so that admins could have a normal life here too

It's not been long since all admin work used to be done as "The Dent", a role account that was anonymous.

First: people really need to stop taking cheap shots at Fettpride and his supposed "huge profits" since i have been on this site i have litteraly seen Chris give away free stuff or even remake items for people who have been scammed by another indivdual just so he can restore that persons faith in this site, something he does not need to do.

Second: the prices Chris is charging are way lower then they should be, if you look at any lucas endorsed item it is ten times worse and ten times as expensive, Chris has above quality stuff with prices more then affordable

Third: Chris is a victim, in todays society we tend to blame the victim saying he did something wrong or he could have avoided it some how. This was an unavoidible situation for Chris and this is in no way is his fault.

Fourth: At first I was attempting to stay neutral in this situation but after reading more and more posts and doing some research of my own it does indeed look like Fettdad recasted.
So a note to Chris, I gotcha yo back bro

{Second: the prices Chris is charging are way lower then they should be, if you look at any lucas endorsed item it is ten times worse and ten times as expensive, Chris has above quality stuff with prices more then affordable}

I dont think you can really compair the to , there are alot of varibles to consider in that equasion

I really.... really like turtles.

Is a "found item" be like he came across a real holster in a pawn shop. Whereas getting one of FP's and recasting that would in fact be recasting? If the latter is true, I have to ask why he is not banned yet when the rules state quite clearly that recasting will not be tolerated. His claim of having an admins approval comes from asking if he can recast a cast of a found piece. Not mentioning Hey I have a FP cast of a holster that I did such and such too to improve can I recast it. Such omissions does in fact go to support the claim that he was doing this on the down low, otherwise why not mention where you got it from?

GCNgamer128 said:

I really.... really like turtles.

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These ones? or

mandosoldier said:

Is a "found item" be like he came across a real holster in a pawn shop. Whereas getting one of FP's and recasting that would in fact be recasting? If the latter is true, I have to ask why he is not banned yet when the rules state quite clearly that recasting will not be tolerated. His claim of having an admins approval comes from asking if he can recast a cast of a found piece. Not mentioning Hey I have a FP cast of a holster that I did such and such too to improve can I recast it. Such omissions does in fact go to support the claim that he was doing this on the down low, otherwise why not mention where you got it from?

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First, let's make a clarification regarding the Code of Conduct. It does not say "recasting will not be tolerated." It says:

Copying or duplicating, any item, with or without modification, without consent from the license holder, original creator, original artist, trademark holder, or copyright holder IS recasting. Deliberately recasting another member’s creation without consent is not supported by this community.

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The Code of conduct states recasting is not SUPPORTED by this community and this thread is evidence of that.

In regard to why FettDad hasn't been banned at this point is because he is a long time member with a lot of positive contribution to the site and time and experience has taught me not to throw that all away in a moment of high emotion. A knee-jerk reaction to a situation that clearly includes some misunderstanding is not an appropriate or acceptable response and we need to be more focused on seeing if we can't heal the gap that has come between two of our brothers instead of handing out pitchforks and torches.

While I think FettDad handled the asking of (what he thought to be) a staffmember about the recasting issue a bit poorly, he DID ask and he WAS told it was ok. Now, we could overanalyze that and as armchair quarterbacks we could pick apart how he could have handled that better. The thing is, that is the past. This is the present. I am actually MUCH more concerned about FettDad's current attitude and the way he is currently handling this issue. He is handling VERY VERY poorly and in a way that is beneath him. If there were to be a ban, it would more than likely come from his response and attitude toward the staff and the community in this thread than due to the recasting issue.

He will determine if he is banned. Not me. Not you.

Gotcha, btw was I correct on my found
Part definition? Just asking for future ref.

Wow, it took almost an hour for me to finish reading this thread ... Well, Rule is the rule and we all need to respect it. I hope Fattdad will cool down a little and re-think about it. An apology is not that difficult considering all the facts are pretty clear. i have to say that there could be some mis-understanding from Darrel's part at some point but that is ok, we all made mistakes... I still remember Fettdad sent me PM about stuff when i was a newbee and tried to help me out and i really admire the EE3s he made. He is a good guy but certainly he got confused at some point and re-casted FP's holster. And now he is probably very emotionally responding all the comments towards him without proper thinking... I say, give that man couple of days to think about all of it. And he should have the courage to stand out and say sorry to Chris and continue on at TDH. At the end of the day, we are all here becuase we love Star Wars, love the Fett. It is our hobby and mostly our joy in this life

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While there was definitely SOME misunderstanding here, and while I do want to see an amicable resolution, I want to make sure that we don't downplay what has happened. Misunderstanding or not, this is a recasting issue and one that would seem that FettDad did have some clue that he was not totally on the up and up. Why he chose not to just go to Chris and handle this directly is beyond me and has placed us in a very awkward position.

I guess since no one else noticed FettDad did infact throw a sorry in there on the first page...It kinda gets lost in all of his sighs and jerkish replies though

I have been a lurker here for years. I didn't registered until a couple years ago. I don't post because I do not have anything of value to say.....yet. Post counts mean nothing to me. Building Fett was never a goal, but I love learning about the suit. All that aside, the ONE thing that TDH has always been is highly respectable. That is known everywhere, not just in the circle here. Word of this instance will spread everywhere because of TDH's rep. I know there are people wanting a dark spot on TDH's image. How this is handled will mean a lot in the prop community. Art, I know you are completely aware of this.

Flexing the rules for a "valued" member is very questionable. He did it and knew it. Why else would he hide it? That is guilty and the rules were broken. Any mercy would bring the wolves down on TDH.

.02 cents

Art, old friend, I do not agree with you on this one.
I feel that the only "gap between two brothers" will eventually be between you and Chris. And that is very sad.

Since I am also a long time member and have made my own positive contributions to this community, here's what I'm going to do;
I'm going to recast the GMH and sell copies via PM. After all, Chris is a little slow in getting these out to people so I'll be helping the community by providing them with something that can't get quickly. I'll even help out more by selling them at $20 under what Fettpride charges. I'll offer them to whomever PMs me and when it finally blows up in my face, I'll offer a small apology and then go on and on about how I'm right for doing it and be a real jack-*** here on the forums about the whole deal.



That sound ok?

SMH :/

slave1pilot said:

Art, old friend, I do not agree with you on this one.
I feel that the only "gap between two brothers" will eventually be between you and Chris. And that is very sad.

Since I am also a long time member and have made my own positive contributions to this community, here's what I'm going to do;
I'm going to recast the GMH and sell copies via PM. After all, Chris is a little slow in getting these out to people so I'll be helping the community by providing them with something that can't get quickly. I'll even help out more by selling them at $20 under what Fettpride charges. I'll offer them to whomever PMs me and when it finally blows up in my face, I'll offer a small apology and then go on and on about how I'm right for doing it and be a real jack-*** here on the forums about the whole deal.



That sound ok?

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PM going you way!

Just kidding! I also think the same as you and yes, you read correctly Chris, I think you're right!