RECASTING - A must read ...

Hi Everyone,

First, I want to apologize for having to take the time out to
address matters like this. As busy as things are right now,
I'm sure my time would be better spent doing what I should
be doing, and that certainly isn't writing novels.

As many of you have probably seen, yesterday I found that
my Nemrod V.1 SideArm Holster Replica has been recast.
Unfortunately, it appears to have been a misunderstanding
across the board as to the "who, what, where, and how".
Initially, it appeared to have been our own "Stormrider".
As more developed, it became clear very quickly, that Mike
"Stormrider" was mislead and was caught in the middle of
a misunderstanding he didn't even know the half of, until
now.

So before I get to the bones of the matter, I'd like
to extend a Public Apology to Mike (Stormrider), who I
do not believe had any unscrupulous intent in mind.
Along those same lines, Mike was buffaloed into a project
that he headed whole heartedly into and was taken advantage
of. He did not realize he was recasting a copy of my work.
As an act of good faith to him, and to help him recover his
monetary losses, I am extending him a public offer to
continue forward with the sales of his holster replica to recoup
his lost investment with my blessing. This offer however has
strings. All I would ask, is that Mike sells enough of the castings
to recoup his investment, and that he does NOT sell the mold
but instead after the run is finished, to send me the depleted
molds. After his investment has been made back, I would ask
that he ceases further production permanently.

I want Milke, as well as the rest of the community to know,
that I am not the demon some of you make me to be. It isn't
always about money. In a case like this, one of our own members
was hugely taken advantage of and he shouldn't be forced to
eat it. Especially in times like this. So Mike, if you're reading
this, have at it brother. Just let me know the specifics in terms of
how many of these you need to sell and keep me in the loop as
far as how it all goes.

To the matter at hand :

What this thread IS about, is the deplorable behavior of those in the
communities we call re-casters. It's a blanket term, that most of
us are all too familiar with.

I am NOT here to debate what a re-caster is, and isn't. It was made
very clear, again, what this membership's stance is on the matter.

(this is an excerpt from another thread about Mike, before Mike's
name was cleared and only used to reiterate the Administrations
stance)

Originally Posted by Art Andrews

We do not allow recasts of other member's work, even if it is from a found part without that member's approval.

I am not sure when or where our stance on this became confused, but for the sake of clarity, let me quote our official position:


I am assuming the confusion came from the part which states: "recasting another member’s creation without consent is not supported by this community" and someone took 'creation' to mean original sculpture. This is not the case.

While you may be ok with this type of recasting on a personal level, as a community, we don't support it. If you brought us evidence of a member recasting either your Webley or HiC, we would stop them from actively selling it here and/or at the RPF.

There is no need for you to disappear. There was clearly a misunderstanding due to you being given some bad information and the situation was exacerbated by the previous issues you and FP have had with one another. While I am sure it is frustrating and I know you are out $$$, we can't support you selling these here as they are recasts of Chris' work.

Now that it is clear what the rules are, you all need to be made aware that we
still have a re-caster in our midst.

In researching this matter it came to my attention that the holster that Mike (Stormrider) procured, was from our own Fettdad (Darrel Sanderson). Wether
or not it was actually a copy from my molds, or not, it became clear that it
was Darrell that had actually been recasting my holster.

Apparently he's been selling them for some time @$165. How long is unclear.
But the first thing to consider, is that Darrell purchased at least 3 of these holsters
from me personally. All of a sudden he's producing his own

Whereas that isn't enough evidence in of itself, it gets clearer. So bear with me.

In my poking around threads, I found that there were references all over the place that he has been selling holsters. But unlike ANYTHING else he sells, he NEVER advertised in the cargo hold for it. All sales have been handled on the QT in PM.
That raises many flags.

I come to find out that the holster that Darrell sent Mike, was broken, shattered.
It appears to have been broken in a molding mishap. Still, not enough.

So I put out feelers for individuals to come forward with any information about
Darrell, his communications with them, transaction histories, or pictures. It
only took a few moments for me to find all of the evidence necessary.

I have contacted Darrell in regards to this matter. So there is nothing left to the
imagination here, I am going to post it publicly.

Originally Posted by fettpride

Darrell,

It saddens me deeply that I am actually sending you this message.

As we all know, shady things always find a way to surface, especially
when you don't trust the right people.

It came to light yesterday that Stormrider recast my Nemrod Holster.
But when I pulled the string and started to unravel this mess, to my
dismay I found out that you've been selling holsters on the sly as well.
Right before I found that out, I found out that it was you he got the
casting off of to recast. So technically, he recast me, through YOU.
And to think, I hung him out, when the fact is, he didn't even
have a clue.

It's fairly pointless for me to approach you with any shadow of a doubt.
You seem to think that you'd reproduced a "found item" from the real
world. But there is one thing you didn't consider buddy. I've been around
a long time. I put major tells in my work. Because I expect this sort of
behavior, and I want to call people on it when it happens. The only thing you
did to it, was mold in the strap. Did it ever occur to you that you had no idea
what you were fooling with ?

I certainly didn't expect this from you, Darrell. You offered me support in
my darkest times. You were always a great guy to me. It hurts me deeply,
that it had to be you.

I have forwarded all of my evidence to Art Andrews, and I will be submitting
a thread to address this matter. There is no way this could have been a simple
mistake man. You bought how many holsters from me ?? Do you even remember?
So, very sad. And for your efforts, I will make absolutely sure your business on
TheDentedHelmet.com is brought to an abrupt end.

Chris

As harsh as it may seem, I'm am absolutely done with this kind of behavior.
So many times, I've had to deal with things like this, and it's always said
that "the proof is the burden of the accuser". So I eventually, and begrudgingly
started putting signatures in my work. In this particular case, some of these
signatures weren't purposeful, but necessary to complete the task.

The original holster that was used as a master, was in poor condition. Outwardly
it seemed to look ok, but it turned out to be so brittle from age and salt water
exposure, that it started to crumble. Literally. Portions of the holster had to be
rebuilt. In doing so, a whole new master had to be made to allow for this as the
original holster is made of a vinyl material that nothing will stick to. In making
this new master, some aspects of it had to be rebuilt/re-sculpted. Whereas it
turned out to be one hell of a replica, it was not an exact replica. Which is why I recently abandoned it and started to finish off my V.2 holster project, which IS an
exact replica.

The funny thing is, a typical person doesn't know, and cannot tell the differences.
But they are glaring to the two guys who worked their asses off bringing this
replica to the community for the first time in the history of TDH. And these signs
and tells are irrefutable. But your average sleezy re-caster won't consider that
they might be playing with fire.

I don't call Darrell out on this to be a jerk. Some of you would ask, why would I even care since I've nearly abandoned it for V.2 ? Because it's principal. Wether a found part or not, it was "I" that spent 8 weeks trying to figure out how to even make
a mold of something so complex. I invested $1000 in materials for 3 failed experimental molds before I was able to make this happen for you all. What this
is about is exhaustion. I have continuously put out for this community. I can't go
on being stabbed between the shoulder blades like this. It's disheartening, disenchanting. And frankly, between my being called out continuously about members fears of my running off with their money, and people continuously taking advantage,
I can almost assure you, that my time with this community is now limited. I just can't give anymore. I have absolutely no life, for the cause. You all seem to think I make a fortune at this. Maybe even live some lavish lifestyle. Carefree and oblivious to those
around me that seem to think I look at them like the peasants of the costuming community. If that is the opinion any of you have formed of me, you are diluted. There seems to always be someone right around the corner that wants to be the next big Fett maker, with delusions of grandeur, and wanting to walk all over my ***. And use me as their shortcut. Or criticize me because I'm not doing enough, or that I'm not doing it fast enough. The truth is, no matter what I do, it is never enough. It is indeed a dog eat dog world, and I for one am not going to tolerate it anymore.

What I am going to do at this point, is hold back on the exact evidence that I am referring to until Darrell comes forward. The reason for this is to not show all
of my cards. But I can say, there is a major tell in the Nemrod Logo that I am prepared to expose foremost. But I'm not about to speak of it until his side of the story has been given. I will of course provide it to the Administration in the meantime. I wouldn't make these claims openly, and publicly and risk my own reputation if I wasn't absolutely sure.

I can tell you all how incredibly, sickly tired I am of this. For the moment, I leave you with the photo of a "Fettdad" Nemrod Holster Replica ..



Thank you all for your attention to this matter. I would ask, if you have any respect for me, or my work ... not to patronize sellers of my recast works. The vast majority of the time, what you will receive, albeit faster likely, is a cheap imitation. For not much less money apparently. By buying from these people, you promote them.
And above all, ask questions. That is the key. For your sake as well. How many of you have been taken advantage of because you were an unsuspecting buyer? If in doubt, post publicly about it here. Ask about "who, what, where, how, and what quality". It protects us all. And this shouldn't be taken as my wanting to monopolize any particular part or component. If someone can do it better, and more efficiently, I will celebrate them, not be bitter. Remember, I'm the one who sells my molds to carry on pieces to the community that I simply have no more time for. If it was all about money to me, I would grub my molds, or destroy them when I'm finished. Not allow someone to carry on my pieces.

Wow FP, sorry to see this. Speechless bro...

Wow.

Chris I'm sorry to hear all of this. I know when stuff like this happens it must be really discouraging for you, especially when it's someone you felt you knew (as a lot of us did as well). It would **** me off to no end as I'm sure you are.

I think this mostly goes unspoken from many members who you have a hand in helping create their Fett but thank you for making this an attainable hobby for me.

As a lucky original nemrod holster owner I think I see the difference you are speak of

sorry to butt in with randomness, but what is a nemod holster? fett part?

Originally Posted by mandosoldier

sorry to butt in with randomness, but what is a nemod holster? fett part?

Nemrod Speargun Holster - Boba Fett Costume Resource

WOW!!! That made me sick to my stomach. I own an original FP Nemrod Holster along with a lot of other FP pieces and I have had many dealing with Darrel over the years. I am shocked that Darrel would do such a thing. I am sorry that this happened Chris.

Relay sad to see that this happen again again and again !!!

Sorry to see this type of thing happen again.

Wow... I am still waiting on a holster from FettDad... I'm just over the 45 day mark so can't dispute it on PP. Should I not even expect it to come?
Sorry to hear about all this. Didn't realize I was buying a recast.

I appreciate the apology, and am not fully sure I deserve it. I can appreciate the dimensions of this scenario, and am not fully sure that I am blameless. I have spoken to chris on the phone at length, and have expressed the same to him.

I dont like villainizing darrell fully. (And let me be clear that I dont think that FP is doing that), I mean in general as hes not the only one at fault here. I would rather shoulder the blame, as I made a mold of a prop that I could see wasnt an original. With a few caveots that were both mis-information and mis-interpretation. I thought chris had abandoned his project (as I had seen the molds for sale thread a long time ago) and had sought information about 'copies of found items' that turned out to be the wrong information. I dont know that darrell would have or could have been able to make this mold without me, and without me being readily willing to do it without really going out, making contacts and examining the situation myself.

^ ^ What im saying here is that chris is being extremely generous here in not blaming me. Ignorance is not defence and its been made clear that this could be a much more difficult situation.

First yorke, pm me your shipping information. I have a slightly off color I can send you. Its darkest grey. We can discuss the shipping.

Chris has offered to let me make a few of these to recoup the cost of the mold. I will do roughly 10 of them. Ill update the thread to reflect so. I hope to be able to send chris a mold that has a good portion of life left.

I have told chris that im not sure I deserve to be exempt of this. Contrary to what I believed his stance would be, he has been more than supporting and generally good to me in light of this. Likely nicer than I would have been myself.

I dont intend to recoup my hours (many), just the cost of making the mold. The rubber that goes into these isnt cheap, neither the casting rubber, nor the silicone.

M2

Sorry to here this Chris, and you too Mike. I remember you two being pretty close a while back. The way you have both conducted yourself in this matter is pretty inspirational and I sincerely hope you can take a step closer to being back where you once were on a personal level, you certainly made of the right stuff for that to happen.

The recasting issue will always rear it's head but it surprises me that such a high profile member (Darrell) would end up embroiled in this, seemingly with the only intent to make a few dollars. It is also a sad shame that this WILL NOT be an isolated case, and that other members will be selling items that are re-cast secretly via pm's or emails off the board to buyers hoping to save a little money, but you really do get what you pay for. Maybe the only reason this came to light is because the mold required is a complex one and needs someone with experience in mould making to pull it off, something the original seller learned the hard way.

Rob.

Originally Posted by FettDad

second, after seeing the need for holsters here on TDH, and the time frame people were having to wait from our armor/helmet/etc omipotent god vendor here, i figured i would step in and help out...after seeing that this individual had sold his, or her, molds for the version one holster, and that it was A FOUND ITEM, i took it upon myself to get with someone to make some holsters for the community...

There are a number of things that aren't clear in what you are saying and I am just going to cut through the vagueness and name names because I am assuming most people know who you are talking about anyway. First, we have never stopped competition on this site. We have a number of people selling competing products and there is no problem with that. I don't know why or how you being told that fettpride sold his holster mold had anything to do with your deicison to offer holster. Second, just to make sure there is no confusion, you were given bad information as Chris had that mold for sale but didn't sell it, but that is really beside the point because anyone is welcome to buy an original holster, mold it, and start offering castings. However, where it seems there is some confusion regarding found items is that while you are welcome to buy your own ORIGINAL found item holster and mold it, and offer castings, you cannot use another member's casting of a found item, recast it and start offering castings. I am not sure where you got the idea that this was ok, and perhaps there are others who also are confused on this point, so let me be clear; it is NOT ok to recast a casting of a found item that was created by another member!

Originally Posted by FettDad

so, with that being said, apparantly the admin i spoke to wont show up

This is another point you seem to be confused about (and again, I am going to name names. It is my understanding that you spoke to asok who was an admin a number of years ago, but hasn't been on the admin staff in a long time. You implication is that he is hiding but the truth is, he doesn't spend much time at TDH any more due to real life obligations. Lets not paint this like it is a conspiracy when it isn't. Either asok gave you the wrong information or you completely misunderstood what he told you.

Originally Posted by FettDad

and the fact the holster is a found item

The fact that the holster is a found item doesn't mean it is ok to recast another member's casting of it.

Originally Posted by FettDad

and that the rules in the COC dont apply to every one

In what way?

Originally Posted by FettDad

i am done here...i will finish my obligations to TDH and those that have sent me money...but the pettiness of the silly little threats coming from the top dont amuse me, i see it every day dealing with high school girls threatening each other in the hall ways...

It will be a shame to see you leave over what is clearly a misunderstanding on your part of our stance regarding the recasting of found items, but that will be your decision to make.

Originally Posted by FettDad

by the way, we all steal here...

You do realize making a statement like that doesn't help your argument in any way and only makes you look like you are having to stoop to the pettiest of excuses to defend your position. Why would you say something like that?

Very sad to see what this thing turns into ... FettDad, you´re a good friend of mine as we´ve had many conversations over the last years here on TDH.

I don´t understand your decision to leave TDH just because there is a misunderstanding ... ???

I always thought you would have the balls to say "ok, I am sorry ... I did misunderstand something." and all would be cleared.

You did so much for the community here, the most of us would have forgiven you that little sidestep ...

Come on D, kick yourself in the butt and stay!

Manuel

i dont think i did anything wrong...but it wont happen again...and i certainly dont need this...sorry

If you really leave, you let everybody think: "They were right. He did it."

Please think about your decision because I don´t wanna lose a friend here just because of this. And I guess there are enough brothers here who think alike.

I am a friend of Chris and a friend of you and I hate to see that just you both have to get into trouble ...

Darrell,

It saddens me even more that your response to this shows no remorse,
and a very apparent reckless disregard.

There are misunderstandings in life. Anyone our age knows this especially.
Matters like this however, show the true nature of how incredibly "backbiting"
the costuming community really is. I liken it to a fresh corpse laying in the
baking sun, and a gaggle of vultures circling their lunch.

You state that your primary excuse was my having sold my molds. You thought.
I've always considered you a man of integrity, Darrell. Even if I had sold my molds,
it still doesn't make it "right" to use one of my models to serve yourself. This has
nothing to do with the "community". This is made very transparent when you consider
that if it were meant to be a benefit to the community, you would have publicly offered
the holster as you do with everything else you make. Or at least everything that I know
you make. Instead, for how ever long this has been going on, you've only solicited the
sale of the holster in Private Messaging. When someone approaches you for a harness
or a blaster, you nearly give them "canned solicitation". "BTW, are you interested in a
holster"? This doesn't look as if you felt that any of it was above board enough to offer
the holster in a public run or Cargo Hold sale. And I can't reasonably say that I can
believe that it was only to "a few close friends", when I've received support and
communications with individuals that have been solicited this way. And there were
far more than 10. I know there has been volume, and I know how much you were
selling them for. Exactly $20 less than I did. That doesn't look like you're competing
with the man you stole from, does it?

The fact is, whatever money you made from this, was money that was taken directly
from me in a manner of speaking. But it's not as much about the money. Or I wouldn't
have condoned Mike selling recasts of my holster to recuperate funds he lost in a deal
gone sour with you. You left him in quite a lurch. So from a certain point of view, which
no one seems to have picked up on yet, or acknowledged, that's even MORE money taken
from me over all this. This should speak volumes about "my" character, "my" integrity.
What this is more about, is the reckless disregard I spoke of. It seems that no one
gives a **** anymore, about the sanctity that has been the honor amongst thieves.
Put simply, found item or not ... no one seems to give a **** about what goes into
something as complex as that holster was. This is about principle. It was my sweat
that made it happen, when no one else could figure out how to do it. It was my
money out of pocket that was lost in 8 weeks of mold R&D. It was my wasted time
invested when the holster had to be heavily modified to even make it feasible to
to produce without an injection molding plant. There is a reason the holster had not
been produced until I produced it. Because it was near impossible to reproduce without
professional facilities and tools. You, nor anyone else would have been able to recast
it as easy as you did, if "I" hadn't already made it "recast-able". That was my first
clue that something was amiss. No one, ever really knows what goes on behind the scenes
to make things like this happen. If you wanted to produce a holster, integrity would dictate
that you find your own, and struggle as I did. Not use me as a step ladder. But that is the
point isn't it? You didn't take into consideration that this piece isn't as cut and dry as it
seemed. Never considering it's complexity and that "someone else" had already made it easy
for you. Never once considering that perhaps you should compare it to an Original. Or maybe,
obtain an original for yourself, and figure out everything I had to, yourself. No, THAT is the
mentality of an average re-caster. There are no considerations. Just shortcuts, at someone else's
expense, because you saw dollar signs in a demand, that I couldn't meet to the extent that would
make everyone "Wal-Mart" happy. Your taking shots at "me" for not being able to satisfy the
masses, is low, and completely unnecessary. Normally, I would say, if you think you could do
better, go for it. This is America. But you even took that from me buddy. Because you DID go
for it

However you went about it, is left to be known. And I really don't care anymore. The facts
are the facts, Darrel. But it is clear that you've had someone else producing them. Wether it's
the U.K. or wether it's Florida. It doesn't matter. Without specific facts with regard to "who else"
and "where else", it's not my place to say. But it's been confirmed, that your holsters aren't being
shipped from Oklahoma, nor Indiana/Michigan (Stormrider).

Lastly, you'r personal shots at me only reinforce that you feel cornered, Darrell. Your personal threats
to me in private are also a sign of your true character. I wouldn't dream of posting it publicly, because
my only intent in all of this was to expose the facts. And the fact is, you took advantage of me, and
now you're on the defensive. I have never threatened you. I posted my private message to you publicly.
My stating that I would make sure that your business here is brought to an abrupt end, is not a threat.
But more of a service the the community. No one, but the self serving ... wants to do business with
someone like you.

Chris

Originally Posted by FettDad

and the long windedness is really overwhelming...

didnt even read your post Chris, i dont care...

Par, for the course

Originally Posted by FettDad

... didnt even read your post Chris, i dont care ...

That wasn´t neccessary Darrell.

We´re all the same age (almost) and I always thought I would be older than 3 years ...

Not taking sides or anything here, but sometimes Chris' posts are a little long....HAH!

Regardless if you didn't know what you did was wrong, you still broke the rules here on TDH, and an apology most likely is in order. We all break rules every once and a while without noticing it, if I went to Michigan and took a left turn and got pulled over I wouldn't tell the officer, "I didn't know, I don't care ", I'd at least show a little remorse. An apology is the least you could do to help rectify the situation.

I think we can all here see that Chris is hurt over the situation at hand, and it has been pointed out by the Board Owner that you have broken the rules, regardless if you knew about it prior to what you were doing.

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Not taking sides or anything here, but sometimes Chris' posts are a little long....HAH!

Again, par for the course

And I'll have enough of that. I see it every day lately.

I'm consistently hung out for "over long posts". Does it ever occur to anyone,
that it's because I have something to say ?

Those that poke at me for having something to say, is only actually saying,
they don't care. And that is fine. But there are those, that do care what my
postion is on a given matter at hand.

I understand that this has become a "Wal-Mart" world of convenience. But
when did we get too lazy to read? When did it become "not cool" or no
longer "hip" to do what we as human beings do ?

Communicate?

If you don't care, or don't care read what I have to say,
then don't. But the kidding has gone too far.

Thank you,

Chris

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings Chris! I wasn't aware the joke would be hurtful.

If it makes you feel any better, I always read what you have to say, because I know you put a lot of thought into your posts

I watched Flash of Genius the other night, and I thought of this thread. I would recommend it to those who have a dog in this fight. It is written from the engineers point of view but it is interesting to say the least. It is about th guy who invented the intermittent wind shield wiper. The court case at the end is specifically when I thought of all of this. I don't know if this adds to this thread but it shows that these types of disagreements are not new and are not isolated to our hobby.

I just hope this can be resolved to a reasonable end


my 2 cents

This is all very confusing.

FettDad -- I don't get it. I've been an "admin" here for... gah... probably a couple of years now? I haven't seen this rampant abuse of power you speak of. It's easy to vilify The Dent as this abusive forum-monster until you've been online with him at some ****** hour of the morning trying to figure out how to make the site work. It's easy to say Chris is making a ton of money on these helmets until you've actually spend 12 hours in your hole making helmets.

To me, they both seem like people just trying to do something good.

There haven't ever really been public staffing notices, and most of us who have moderator type access don't really even mention it (I bet there aren't a lot of folks here that know I'm a moderator!). So Asok not being on the staff anymore... I'm not sure why you would have expected an announcement? I seem to recall him transitioning out right around when I was coming on. There was some small overlap, but not much. I could just be blurring this up with another board though.

As for Chris being a god... I also don't get that. I see him more of a slave than anything else. The dude is sitting in a hole fiberglassing helmets in all of his spare time. And he's probably lucky if he makes $10 an hour doing it.

To the point of recasting: for me it's all about respect. I personally don't care about recasting at all. I invite everyone to recast any of my stuff and sell it anywhere and anyway they want. BUT, I respect other artists and their wishes. So if Chris says that a holster is his and asks us to not copy it, I respect that. It's not about "we're all thieves here", it's not about found parts... it's just about respecting other community members.

Originally Posted by Mullreel

I just hope this can be resolved to a reasonable end


my 2 cents

It seriously bewilders me, that after all is said and done, that
people use words like "Allegedly", and "Hope this can be
resolved".

Am I seriously the only one on the planet that sees what
has transpired here? Is there any way to resolve a situation
where someone steals from you?

Originally Posted by stormtrooperguy

I've been an "admin" here for... gah... probably a couple of years now?

There haven't ever really been public staffing notices, and most of us who have moderator type access don't really even mention it (I bet there aren't a lot of folks here that know I'm a moderator!). So Asok not being on the staff anymore... I'm not sure why you would have expected an announcement?

How come the admin staff aren't more clearly tagged? I think it would be helpful. It is how I see it on a lot of other forums. "Admin" appears somewhere on their profile. Just an idea.

Its a Shame this is happening FettDad was the first person who extended a helping hand to me and infact recomened Fettpride to me
so
To FettDad (if you even read this) thanks and good luck on your future
To Fettpride sorry you must constantly bear this burden and thank you for being very proffesional about this matter

Why hasn't Fettdad been banned?

He took one of Fettpride's holsters and knowingly recast it, then sold the copies.
I have been banned from this very forum just for (admittedly) being an A-hole, yet Fettdad gets a bye on recasting?

wow darrell

refer to post 11...i...recast...nothing...get the facts straight before you burn me at the stake...thanks...

wow dom...

So if stormrider was taking his time sending out kits for blasters and i recasted his kit that would be ok how? You really couldnt read Chris's reply, thats kinda childish that you "dont care." Thats what I wow'd at...your lack of respect for other people here just goes to show your simply trying to hide that you got caught in a mess. You wont admit it playing John Wayne and sticking to your I did nothing wrong wont help the fact that the holsters were recasted. Not recasted originals but recasted from a FP holster not a genuine Nemrod. Who ever did the recasting FOR you recasted it you sold the recasted item. Either way just as bad you KNOWINGLY sold FP recasted holsters.

Originally Posted by DarthVeach

Excuse me?? I NEVER said I did not want to do business with you.

You are absolutely right buddy. You did not. And I do apologize. I was actually confusing you with another
member too. Sort of melding you together. I overstepped. Might I suggest you and I editing our posts and
shaking hands Tensions are running quite high at the moment. Myself is to whom I refer I will
edit my posts right now.

Originally Posted by FettDad

... making a costume for myself in future? i have my resources...

'nuff said...

Seriously man ? It's little nippy statements like that that, you seem to think people
don't see right through. But just to clarify in case someone hasn't already figured
out what that meant ...

You've purchased at least 3 sets of everything I've ever made.
I sincerely hope, that isn't a threat of action, recasting my
other items. Or to be more specific, paying "someone else"
to recast my other items.

For you to consistently refer to any potential reprimand for
your actions being a "harm to others" you have business
with, also sounds like somewhat of a threat, Darrell.

This is senseless for you to act this way. As you've pointed
out, you're a Teacher, and what I considered to be one
hell of a stand up guy. Don't lower yourself this way man

Goodness. I just finished reading this entire thread. I can't believe I am still awake. Not a poke, reading usually puts me out cold. I have had dealings and/or conversations with nearly every poster here, and respect you all. One thing I am still dark about is why Darrel is still being attacked.

#11 was a very interesting post. Based on that post alone, I can't see why everyone seems to want to bury Darrel. Again I have read every single post. Something seems to be missing. Instinct says there is more to the story. I have not read anything saying that Darrel outright commissioned Stormrider to make cast of the Holster. But maybe I missed it.

As for Darrel's lack of apologies, he seems to have stated himself very clearly as to his understanding of the rules (at the time). Why apologize for being called a thief, when you don't believe you are and feel wrongly accused. And again, doesn't Stormrider rate for any of the wrath being wrought on Darrel.

Originally Posted by FettDad

and Nathan, banning me only hurts those i have obligations with... keep that in mind...

It hurts you by letting the people on this forum (and other forums) know that you are a recaster.
The obligations that you had with members of this forum are unaffected. You already have their addresses and can continue to mail the items you have already sold.
This will also prohibit you from selling any more items to members on this forum.

Originally Posted by FettDad

i dont care if i get banned...i am removing myself from TDH for personal reasons anyways...so idle threats of my banning dont affect me...

The "personal reasons" you mention wouldn't be the fact that you got busted recasting Fettpride would it?

Originally Posted by FettDad

i did my research on FOUND items, i spoke with quote admin at the time, and got the ok...

Apparently, you did not do enough research, or you would have found out that you cannot recast another member's work.
And as far as "FOUND" items go, I the only thing you "FOUND" was Chris' holster .

Originally Posted by FettDad

making a costume for myself in future? i have my resources...

Good luck having any dealings with a reputable vendor after word gets out that you are a recaster.
That is, unless they are of the same level of character and integrity as yourself.

Originally Posted by FettDad

and making money on these holsters? wow...i sent out less than 10...what a killing i made...

It's not about the money. It's about you breaking the rules.

Originally Posted by FettDad

'nuff said...

I hardly believe that to be true.There will be much more to be said.

sigh....

Originally Posted by fettpride

You are absolutely right buddy. You did not. And I do apologize. I was actually confusing you with another
member too. Sort of melding you together. I overstepped. Might I suggest you and I editing our posts and
shaking hands Tensions are running quite high at the moment. Myself is to whom I refer I will
edit my posts right now.

WHEW! Not a problem! I am a guy who likes to try to see both sides of everything, sorry if it sounded skewed. As a fellow artist, I do feel your pain. I hold your work in high regard and admire what you do, I have said that! Posts edited and I DO hope to do business with you in the future!

Originally Posted by mhlayne

Banning would not be cool at all. Seeing as how I am waiting on a jetpack harness. ;-) I should be allowed to stay in contact with the seller shouldn't I? And I like what BBF said. Hope this all gets straightened out. And please people, being reasonable is the way to go. And hey, talking it all out is good! ;-)

You wouldn't need this board to do so. Shouldn't you have his personal contact info outside the board?

Originally Posted by BooBoo Fett

Again I have read every single post. Something seems to be missing. Instinct says there is more to the story. I have not read anything saying that Darrel outright commissioned Stormrider to make cast of the Holster. But maybe I missed it.
.

Sorry Terry, that is a good point. That's partially my fault. Actually, that was covered in another thread. Stormrider's actually.
This thread is sort of a spill over from all that. It should have been reiterated here with the facts. The fact is, Darrell did in
fact approach Stormrider with this, and commissioned him. This was pre established and confirmed by correspondence,
public admissions and sent to the Administration. The matter in this case, was how Stormrider was approached, and the
misleading information that was given him. In a manner of speaking, Stormrider was not only a more innocent party here, but
but also a victim of it as well.

Originally Posted by DarthVeach

WHEW! Not a problem! I am a guy who likes to try to see both sides of everything, sorry if it sounded skewed. As a fellow artist, I do feel your pain. I hold your work in high regard and admire what you do, I have said that! Posts edited and I DO hope to do business with you in the future!

Thank you, and I hope the same

Originally Posted by fettpride

The point you may be missing, perhaps because it's not been clarified properly, is that i never actually "sold "
my molds, and currently produce these holsters. They were never discontinued.

Thanks

****...I was under the assumption you actually sold the mold off and someone recasted a copy from one made from a SOLD mold. My bad!

Originally Posted by DarthVeach

****...I was under the assumption you actually sold the mold off and someone recasted a copy from one made from a SOLD mold. My bad!

That's why this is a bad situation here... a copy was made directly from an FP piece.

Whatever someone says ... it´s always for the money, on both sides, no matter what any party says about "community" or "principles".

One nice person may do 2-4 maybe even 6 for himself and some friends .... but if something is offered to everyone who pays, on a regulary basis, it is work, and work is done to get money. I believe noone who says something else.

Originally Posted by Lichtbringer

Whatever someone says ... it´s always for the money, on both sides, no matter what any party says about "community" or "principles".

One nice person may do 2-4 maybe even 6 for himself and some friends .... but if something is offered to everyone who pays, on a regulary basis, it is work, and work is done to get money. I believe noone who says something else.

Let's not convolute this. Posts like this are very clear to others, that you've not fully read my posts.

"It isn't always about money"

"If I were in it just for the money, I would / wouldn't do .... "


These are the statements I consistently make. Never once have I said
"I don't do this for the money".

For you to make a post like you did, preys on those members that
don't "want" to read my long winded posts. They read a statement
like yours, and fall right in line with you, because it's "easier" than
reading it for themselves.

Of course it's about money, "too". But I can assure you, that having
to put up with nonsense like this, there is no amount of money that
is worth the stress, and heartache. Nor is there "hazard pay" for the
toxic chemicals and fiberglass dust that I'm sure has shaved a good
10 off my life.

A largest part of what I do here, IS for the community. To say
otherwise, or challenge me or my integrity where this is concerned is
very insulting and really is diluted.

I could have made far more money as an MSCE (Microsoft Certified Engineer),
which I am, in a month, than I would here in a whole year. But I chose to
serve a community doing what I "used" to enjoy.

But since we are talking about money ...

Originally Posted by FettDad

and making money on these holsters? wow...i sent out less than 10...what a killing i made...

'nuff said...

Even if it were just 10, Darrell ... that's $1650 at what you were selling them for brother. So in those terms, you made at least that, off my sweat. It could have
paid my rent for two months. You think THAT is funny, in the economy we live in today? Then, there is my helping Stormrider recoup what you left owing him,
and all that he was out of pocket. He's recouping $1200 for his time and effort.
Ultimately, this is what your actions have cost me, at bare minimum. That to
me is no different that lifting my checkbook, or taking food from my table.
Making statements like that, do you absolutely no good.

Reckless disregard.


This is what most of you do not seem to understand, or simply do not care
about as long as "you" get "yours"

Originally Posted by FettDad

i know whose side you are on, Art, the guy who made you ALOT of money with GMH helmet project...cheers!

FD, your animosity toward me is misplaced as my only interest here is to resolve a misunderstanding. In regard to the GMH project, it is unfortunate to see you desperately grasping for a reason that you feel you are being mistreated, but you couldn't be more wrong since I am not making anything on that project. While it really isn't pertinent to this conversation, so you don't appear so ignorant when speaking about this in the future, Chris refunded me a part of the purchase price of the helmet, and is sending me a couple of copies. Outside of that, I am not making anything and have nothing to gain financially by defending him.

Originally Posted by FettDad

admin doesnt believe me, cause fettpride doesnt...isnt that who we serve?

Again, not sure why you feel the need to vent your agression at the staff or why you are accusing us of not believing you. Considering the situation, what is it we supposedly aren't believing you about?

Originally Posted by FettDad

as far as asok is concerned, really? he hasnt been admin for years? news to me...???

It isn't our fault that you are not aware of this, nor does it have any bearings on this discussion.

Originally Posted by FettDad

so the rules have changed since he has left? thanks for letting us know... i guess when you run the site, you can change rules and how they are worded on a daily basis...great!

The rules and the wording of the rules haven't changed in probably 6 or 7 years at this point. We did change the ToS a while back but sent out messages to all the members when that happened, but those changes had nothing to do with casting or recasting.

Originally Posted by FettDad

if banning is needed, i understand fully...

Given you aggressive tone, I would say, no, you don't understand and it might behoove you to strive for a bit of understanding instead of blasting away from the hip as you are currently doing.


Now that I have responded to your post, let me share some information with you, and the community.

I called Bill (asok) today and we had a chat regarding his interaction with you.

Here was your PM to Bill.

Originally Posted by FettDad

hey brother, question for you...i have a cast of a found piece, and the cast was not a good one, so did some work on it to make it better...now i have a reworked piece that i would like to make casts of...is the recasting or something that would get me banned if i went ahead and did it? it is a found piece, but it is a cast of it, so someone has put work into it...but i also did some modifying as well...thanks man! let me know asap
D

And here was Bill's response.

Originally Posted by asok

Seeing that it is a found part, I would say it is okay. Just my 2 cents.

While you were a bit vague in your question to Bill, after having a chat with Bill it is clear that Bill's personal beliefs regarding the casting and recasting of found parts differs from the sites official stance on the matter and Bill was not aware of this difference. Do not think I am throwing Bill under the bus because I am not. Bill simply wasn't clear on the issue and his own personal feelings do not match that of the site. So, his response to you came from his personal beliefs and didn't reflect the stance of the site. Again, just so everyone is clear, the site does not support the recasting of a cast part created by another member.

As I said early on, this is clearly a misunderstanding which could have easily been resolved with a couple of phone calls instead of all this unnecessary aggression and drama.

Originally Posted by Mullreel

I just hope this can be resolved to a reasonable end


my 2 cents

Originally Posted by fettpride

It seriously bewilders me, that after all is said and done, that
people use words like "Allegedly", and "Hope this can be
resolved".

Am I seriously the only one on the planet that sees what
has transpired here? Is there any way to resolve a situation
where someone steals from you?

Just to quickly address this . I am not making light of the issue. For reference the movie I was refering to is about an inventor who felt he was slighted by the Ford motor company and sued them.

And if you knew what I do for a living you would know that my use of the word "reasonable" is pretty drastic. I can shoot a man as long as I am reasonable. A reasoned end just means that all of the facts are wieghed and the decision makes sense for the situation.

any who.... I am going to go work on my Jango because I really love this hobby

FettDad I am extremely disappointed in your actions that have caused this and your blatent disregard for others here on this forum. You recast an item you knew was not your own work. That is recasting. Period. If you really had questions about if it was alright and if you were so concerned about if it was ok then why didn't you just contact Chris and ask him. You didn't because you were trying to on the sly get an "admins" approval by misleading them. This would allow you to feel like you were in the clear. However, you knew that it was wrong which was why you never openly sold them on the forum. To top this all off when confronted about it you admit to recasting an item and feel like there is nothing wrong with it. What forums are you a member of where this is ok? I am a member almost everywhere and no one tolerates this. You have stolen from Chris and that is unexcuseable. I for one ask that FettDad be banned from this site. His continued presence does nothing but spread seeds of discontent and the feeling that this is ok. If anyone here knowingly does business with him you should feel ashamed. I have nothing to gain from this other than as a fellow Okie hoping that a bad reputation doesn't fall upon our state as I have seen it do on others. This is the heartland where people go out of their way to help others not take from them. You have ruined that ideal and should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally Posted by DarthVeach

How come the admin staff aren't more clearly tagged? I think it would be helpful. It is how I see it on a lot of other forums. "Admin" appears somewhere on their profile. Just an idea.

I've always thought it was so that admins could have a normal life here too

It's not been long since all admin work used to be done as "The Dent", a role account that was anonymous.

First: people really need to stop taking cheap shots at Fettpride and his supposed "huge profits" since i have been on this site i have litteraly seen Chris give away free stuff or even remake items for people who have been scammed by another indivdual just so he can restore that persons faith in this site, something he does not need to do.

Second: the prices Chris is charging are way lower then they should be, if you look at any lucas endorsed item it is ten times worse and ten times as expensive, Chris has above quality stuff with prices more then affordable

Third: Chris is a victim, in todays society we tend to blame the victim saying he did something wrong or he could have avoided it some how. This was an unavoidible situation for Chris and this is in no way is his fault.

Fourth: At first I was attempting to stay neutral in this situation but after reading more and more posts and doing some research of my own it does indeed look like Fettdad recasted.
So a note to Chris, I gotcha yo back bro

{Second: the prices Chris is charging are way lower then they should be, if you look at any lucas endorsed item it is ten times worse and ten times as expensive, Chris has above quality stuff with prices more then affordable}

I dont think you can really compair the to , there are alot of varibles to consider in that equasion

I really.... really like turtles.

Is a "found item" be like he came across a real holster in a pawn shop. Whereas getting one of FP's and recasting that would in fact be recasting? If the latter is true, I have to ask why he is not banned yet when the rules state quite clearly that recasting will not be tolerated. His claim of having an admins approval comes from asking if he can recast a cast of a found piece. Not mentioning Hey I have a FP cast of a holster that I did such and such too to improve can I recast it. Such omissions does in fact go to support the claim that he was doing this on the down low, otherwise why not mention where you got it from?

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

I really.... really like turtles.

These ones? or

Originally Posted by mandosoldier

Is a "found item" be like he came across a real holster in a pawn shop. Whereas getting one of FP's and recasting that would in fact be recasting? If the latter is true, I have to ask why he is not banned yet when the rules state quite clearly that recasting will not be tolerated. His claim of having an admins approval comes from asking if he can recast a cast of a found piece. Not mentioning Hey I have a FP cast of a holster that I did such and such too to improve can I recast it. Such omissions does in fact go to support the claim that he was doing this on the down low, otherwise why not mention where you got it from?

First, let's make a clarification regarding the Code of Conduct. It does not say "recasting will not be tolerated." It says:

Copying or duplicating, any item, with or without modification, without consent from the license holder, original creator, original artist, trademark holder, or copyright holder IS recasting. Deliberately recasting another member’s creation without consent is not supported by this community.

The Code of conduct states recasting is not SUPPORTED by this community and this thread is evidence of that.

In regard to why FettDad hasn't been banned at this point is because he is a long time member with a lot of positive contribution to the site and time and experience has taught me not to throw that all away in a moment of high emotion. A knee-jerk reaction to a situation that clearly includes some misunderstanding is not an appropriate or acceptable response and we need to be more focused on seeing if we can't heal the gap that has come between two of our brothers instead of handing out pitchforks and torches.

While I think FettDad handled the asking of (what he thought to be) a staffmember about the recasting issue a bit poorly, he DID ask and he WAS told it was ok. Now, we could overanalyze that and as armchair quarterbacks we could pick apart how he could have handled that better. The thing is, that is the past. This is the present. I am actually MUCH more concerned about FettDad's current attitude and the way he is currently handling this issue. He is handling VERY VERY poorly and in a way that is beneath him. If there were to be a ban, it would more than likely come from his response and attitude toward the staff and the community in this thread than due to the recasting issue.

He will determine if he is banned. Not me. Not you.

Gotcha, btw was I correct on my found
Part definition? Just asking for future ref.

Wow, it took almost an hour for me to finish reading this thread ... Well, Rule is the rule and we all need to respect it. I hope Fattdad will cool down a little and re-think about it. An apology is not that difficult considering all the facts are pretty clear. i have to say that there could be some mis-understanding from Darrel's part at some point but that is ok, we all made mistakes... I still remember Fettdad sent me PM about stuff when i was a newbee and tried to help me out and i really admire the EE3s he made. He is a good guy but certainly he got confused at some point and re-casted FP's holster. And now he is probably very emotionally responding all the comments towards him without proper thinking... I say, give that man couple of days to think about all of it. And he should have the courage to stand out and say sorry to Chris and continue on at TDH. At the end of the day, we are all here becuase we love Star Wars, love the Fett. It is our hobby and mostly our joy in this life

just my two cents...

While there was definitely SOME misunderstanding here, and while I do want to see an amicable resolution, I want to make sure that we don't downplay what has happened. Misunderstanding or not, this is a recasting issue and one that would seem that FettDad did have some clue that he was not totally on the up and up. Why he chose not to just go to Chris and handle this directly is beyond me and has placed us in a very awkward position.

I guess since no one else noticed FettDad did infact throw a sorry in there on the first page...It kinda gets lost in all of his sighs and jerkish replies though

I have been a lurker here for years. I didn't registered until a couple years ago. I don't post because I do not have anything of value to say.....yet. Post counts mean nothing to me. Building Fett was never a goal, but I love learning about the suit. All that aside, the ONE thing that TDH has always been is highly respectable. That is known everywhere, not just in the circle here. Word of this instance will spread everywhere because of TDH's rep. I know there are people wanting a dark spot on TDH's image. How this is handled will mean a lot in the prop community. Art, I know you are completely aware of this.

Flexing the rules for a "valued" member is very questionable. He did it and knew it. Why else would he hide it? That is guilty and the rules were broken. Any mercy would bring the wolves down on TDH.

.02 cents

Art, old friend, I do not agree with you on this one.
I feel that the only "gap between two brothers" will eventually be between you and Chris. And that is very sad.

Since I am also a long time member and have made my own positive contributions to this community, here's what I'm going to do;
I'm going to recast the GMH and sell copies via PM. After all, Chris is a little slow in getting these out to people so I'll be helping the community by providing them with something that can't get quickly. I'll even help out more by selling them at $20 under what Fettpride charges. I'll offer them to whomever PMs me and when it finally blows up in my face, I'll offer a small apology and then go on and on about how I'm right for doing it and be a real jack-*** here on the forums about the whole deal.



That sound ok?

SMH :/

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

Art, old friend, I do not agree with you on this one.
I feel that the only "gap between two brothers" will eventually be between you and Chris. And that is very sad.

Since I am also a long time member and have made my own positive contributions to this community, here's what I'm going to do;
I'm going to recast the GMH and sell copies via PM. After all, Chris is a little slow in getting these out to people so I'll be helping the community by providing them with something that can't get quickly. I'll even help out more by selling them at $20 under what Fettpride charges. I'll offer them to whomever PMs me and when it finally blows up in my face, I'll offer a small apology and then go on and on about how I'm right for doing it and be a real jack-*** here on the forums about the whole deal.



That sound ok?

PM going you way!

Just kidding! I also think the same as you and yes, you read correctly Chris, I think you're right!

Originally Posted by Boklast

Flexing the rules for a "valued" member is very questionable. He did it and knew it. Why else would he hide it? That is guilty and the rules were broken. Any mercy would bring the wolves down on TDH.

While I understand where you are coming from and you make a very good point, that last sentence is just not in line with what TDH is about. While neither were banned for recasting, both fettpride and slave1pilot have been banned from TDH in the past and without mercy, they wouldn't be here today... and look what amazing contributions both have given to the board. I am not saying FettDad will do the same or is the same, but there are times when a little mercy can be a very good thing. Is this the time for mercy? Maybe. Maybe not. The issue is not decided in my mind, but for those who are so quick to call for any mercy to be thrown out the window, I would ask you to stop and consider where the site would be if a little mercy hadn't been shown to slave1pilot (who was the catalyst for the identification of the mega micro files) and fettpride (who is producing the GMH, as well as tons of armor and other things).

I also want to be clear that we are not flexing the rules for FettDad. We are simply not jumping the gun before getting all the facts and seeing what is what.

Boy, you'd think with all the BS people have endured throughout the past with recast garbage sold outside this community that recasts within it would be a problem long ago left behind. I really feel for you, Chris. Blood, sweat and tears cost more than money alone... my sympathies man.

I have to say, after reading all that it strikes me that Chris has got the ****** end of the stick and FettDad is somehow still part of our community. I have had dealing with FettDad a number of times, all of which were great and I had respect for D, but the underhandedness of the sales speaks volumes to me.

If FettDad wants to look after his customers he could always refund them and step away.

When you are caught with your pants down you just have to bite the bullet. I would be interested in knowing what constituted the work done to try and justify casting the part as your own and who else may be involved.

Originally Posted by GCNgamer128

Regardless if you didn't know what you did was wrong, you still broke the rules here on TDH, and an apology most likely is in order. We all break rules every once and a while without noticing it, if I went to Michigan and took a left turn and got pulled over I wouldn't tell the officer, "I didn't know, I don't care ", I'd at least show a little remorse. An apology is the least you could do to help rectify the situation.

Unfair analogie! It's more like if two people driving similar cars took a left turn into each other and one tried to explain how he felt when the turn was made then the other replied that he didn't care then...you get the gist. NOT MADE IN FUN!

Chris~ I have known D for two years now and I would have to say that he is a VERY honest guy but very blunt and a straight shooter. Yes, you make great stuff but even you know of your own reputation of being long winded, sanctimonious and contrite with others. It may not be what you mean to say but there is no "tone of voice" to messages. If you are tired of laboring over your work for benifit of mankind then quit doing it. Calling D out in public with an Atlas Shrugged dissertation sounds a bit self serving especially if ASOK had information that could have leant itself to the quick demise of this situation.

D~ Knock it off! You both are too important to this community to finish like this! I know you and your honesty. I know sometimes it feels like the relationship between Art and Chris os overwhelming...ITS HIS BOARD! Play nice as I know you know how brother.

Art~ Can't you lock this and then shove those two in a room until they make up (or a cage match...okay that was a joke) Now who is long winded.....

Why should chris have to put forth any effort to "make up"?
He did nothing wrong- fettdad is the one recasting chris' work.
What is wrong with you people?
Darrell has no more value on this board than any other thief.
Why give someone a second chance that is not remorseful in the least? so he can make more money with shady deals?
There are plenty of reputable vendors on this board to buy your parts from, use them instead.

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

Why should chris have to put forth any effort to "make up"?
He did nothing wrong- fettdad is the one recasting chris' work.
What is wrong with you people?
Darrell has no more value on this board than any other thief.
Why give someone a second chance that is not remorseful in the least? so he can make more money with shady deals?
There are plenty of reputable vendors on this board to buy your parts from, use them instead.

I merely suggest that there was a misunderstanding along the way no matter how you see it. As a 12 year Cop I ask you who is a thief? Chris said that FD stole from him...need I remind you people that this is a hobbie with "codes"...
1)There is no ordinance, no statute and therefor no laws.
2)Being a hot head is not a crime nor is being long winded.
While rules were broken (no matter how underhanded they may seem) I think this is still a call for level heads (Art at this moment) to take action. Morals aside we are just borrowing intellectual property from a series of movies and NOTHING MORE. I hear talk of blackened eyes for a board or tarnished reputations of a state an I chuckle...We ARE the board! We are the STATE! Level heads need time to become level so check yourselves folks...this is a hobbie (business for some) but a hobbie nontheless.

Here's the points that re sticking out to me.
1.) FP never actually SOLD his molds, so IMO you can stop using this as an excuse.
2.) It seems to me a "found item" would only be a viable excuse if you had an original holster in hand and casted from that. In which case this whole thing would be moot.
3.) having someone else make a casting of someone else's work under false pretenses IS recasting, had you thought otherwise you wouldn't have asked an admin if it was alright.
All the evidence is there, no taking the proper course of action or stalling on it because he has made good contributions, and I'm not saying he hasn't, is showing that what has happened is fine as long as you keep it vague and on the down low.

Originally Posted by FettDad

you keep saying i recasted something...i did not...i didnt make a mold, i didnt make copies... quit calling me a recaster, i dont have the skills to do so... do you not read?

Wait... what?

Yes, I get that technically, you didn't do the work, but it was done at your request, correct? You may not have done the work, but you did orchestrate it on oversaw it which makes you liable. Lets not try to sidestep this on a technicality.

Here are the questions for which I would appreciate straight-forward and non-snarky answers. Feel free to just innumerate your answers. No need to quote the questions.

1) According to you, you got your hands on one of Chris' holsters, saw a need in the community, and approached asok to get permission to recast a found item, correct?

2) At the point which you approached asok, did you know the holster you had was one of Chris'? If not, whose did you think it was?

3) Since you approached asok, you clearly knew there was a potential recasting concern with the item. Why didn't you approach Chris directly?

4) You have sold a number of items publicly on the site, once asok told you he thought it was ok, why didn't you offer the holster publicly?

5) It seems clear that you have been caught doing something you knew or at least suspected you shouldn't have been doing. If you care as much about TDH and your membership here, why have you decided to take such an agrressive stance towards Chris, the staff and the site? Why didn't you immediately apologize and try to make amends?

6) If there is a "real truth" as you are saying there is, why aren't you posting it in order to exonerate yourself?

While I know you said you have made your last post in this thread, I would strongly encourage you to reconsider and answer these questions. A failure on your part to do so will be construed as an acknowledgment that you not only knew better, but have no desire to resolve the situation. While I know a lot of people, Chris included, want your head on a plate just for having orchestrated this recasting, I am more interested in and concerned with your lack of interest in trying to resolve this and instead choosing to lash out aggressively while playing the victim at the same time. The ball is in your court.

Originally Posted by slave1pilot

Why should chris have to put forth any effort to "make up"?
He did nothing wrong- fettdad is the one recasting chris' work.
What is wrong with you people?
Darrell has no more value on this board than any other thief.
Why give someone a second chance that is not remorseful in the least? so he can make more money with shady deals?
There are plenty of reputable vendors on this board to buy your parts from, use them instead.

I agree with Nathan on this one

Darrell if you have someone else murder someone your just as wrong as the person doing the act stop acting like you did nothing wrong...even if you believed you were in the right you WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT...you got caught you initiated the recasting get over your pride and stop being bull headed

The truth hurts. If wrongs have been done, whoever was in the wrong, just own up to it. We all make mistakes. A humble apology and any recompense needed should be next on the agenda. Not taking sides, not blaming, no. Just stating in general. ;-)

"You can't undo anything you've already done, but you can face up to it. You can tell the truth. You can seek forgiveness. And then let God do the rest.”

Can we stop posting on this thread until FettDad answers Art's questions, please?

Originally Posted by Boomer Fett

I merely suggest that there was a misunderstanding along the way no matter how you see it. As a 12 year Cop I ask you who is a thief? Chris said that FD stole from him...need I remind you people that this is a hobbie with "codes"...
1)There is no ordinance, no statute and therefor no laws.
2)Being a hot head is not a crime nor is being long winded.
While rules were broken (no matter how underhanded they may seem) I think this is still a call for level heads (Art at this moment) to take action. Morals aside we are just borrowing intellectual property from a series of movies and NOTHING MORE. I hear talk of blackened eyes for a board or tarnished reputations of a state an I chuckle...We ARE the board! We are the STATE! Level heads need time to become level so check yourselves folks...this is a hobbie (business for some) but a hobbie nontheless.

No need to get snarky with me Ivan. You may not agree with me, and that is fine. I haven't ever made snide comments about anything you have ever posted.

As just someone who has been standing on the other side of the fence watching the kids fight in the next yard, I finally think I might add something:

FettDad, I have never ordered anything from you, but I planned on one of your harnesses whenever the time finally came but you sir, are acting like an *** hole, so stop.
And if I get into trouble for saying so, so be it.

You, and whatever "friend(s)" you are trying to protect have not a leg to stand on unless you ANSWER ARTS QUESTIONS!
Your failure and unwillingness to do so all the while spouting off the same round-robin "apology" you have said for most of your posts complete with as many as you can chuck in there is infantile.

Art has only asked you to answer some simple and FAIR questions that you seemingly CAN NOT ANSWER truthfully without admitting that you are dead wrong. There is nothing tricky, sneaky, or leading about what he is asking you but I'm sure you think there is, right? Oh yeah, your through posting so Art, that's apparently all you get so I'm going to overstep my bounds and paraphrase the answers on his behalf:

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But you know something FettDad if I were you, the only emoticon I would have used from the startof this whole mess is this one:

And I would have to say that if you REALLY had something incriminating over the big-wigs as you claim to, spit it out. They don't seem too worried to me and since they can't actually MAKE you not say anything, you would have and this would be over by now.

And what the heck, it can't make you look any worse.