REALLY!?!?

It was probably deemed as "trolling" because you didn't actually buy a helmet...yet.

or at least that's the excuse they will give you.

I really, really detest censorship of any kind. That first amendment thing really gets stuck in my craw .
Maybe it's because my family and I have served and fought for those rights.
I know, I know... It isn't censorship and the First amendment doesn't apply here because it's a private forum blah blah blah.
But it still doesn't make it right.

Which thread are you talking about? I don't see any recently deleted posts. DarthVeach, you still have a post in the original GMH sales thread (which is closed but not deleted) where you make valid criticism of how that run was/is being handled, and you have posts in another thread where you take issue with the forum rules. And now you're complaining here about how awful you think the forum is. Where are you being censored?

slave1pilot recently started a fairly provocative thread with FP regarding a difficult topic, a lot of subject matter was covered, and all of those posts are still there.

Moderator hat off:

I don't disagree with any of your points: The run has been terrible. I've been waiting 18 months for my helmet now. I'm extremely unhappy. I think it was bad sales practice to switch from fiberglass to rotocast resin midstream without consulting with the buyers. You are spot on with all of that.

But, that thread is to track the progress of the completion of the run of helmets that started in October 2010.

Moderator hat on

We've done our best to follow the rules. When FP deleted the original sale thread, it was restored. We didn't want the old discussion or timelines hidden.

When people have posted replies not directly relevant to the helmet run started in 2010, we've removed them. It's not to protect or hide anything, it's to keep the thread on track. Trust me, EVERYONE wants to see these helmets all shipped and in the hands of the EXTREMELY patient buyers.

When slave1pilot started a "*** FP???" thread, it wasn't deleted. It was allowed to run its course, then locked. It's still there for any curious buyers to read.

I've been on the TDH staff for a fairly long time, and I really haven't seen what I would consider to be favoritism. If there was some sort of shady relationship between TDH and FP, those of us on the staff who ordered GMH helmets would have had them long ago

Originally Posted by stormtrooperguy

When slave1pilot started a "*** FP???" thread, it wasn't deleted. It was allowed to run its course, then locked. It's still there for any curious buyers to read.

It wasn't a "*** FP" thread, it was a thread asking what Fettpride owed people. Let keep that straight .
I'll also disagree with the thread running it's course.
it was active for 51 and a half hours.
That's hardly enough time for interested parties to voice their opinion before Art locked it.

Granted, what FP and I had to say to each other ran it's course (and still no word of parts shipping to me BTW)
But other people that were owed things by Chris had a very small window to post it.

Now it looks like an isolated incident where one member didn't get what he thought he was owed.
Which is not the case since several people either contacted me by PM, text, email, or Facebook about it.

I made a joke on Facebook about spending a dollar on TDH app for my iPhone and it was deleted in seconds...so I guess this is the empire all over again

Slave1Pilot -

My order fulfillments are going out in prioritized order. I am one man, fulfilling his
obligations to the board. As can be seen by the GMH thread. Orders are arriving to
members every day. I've already been contacted by the administration about it
and it has been discussed thoroughly. I have even suspended new orders from this
forum entirely until the backlog is cleared in a week or two. This is as much as any
reasonable human being can be expected to do. I would seriously appreciate your
patience while this is tied up.

As for THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION" ...

"I" (by myself) petitioned the administration to clear the new GMH thread of what
was agreed to be "OFF TOPIC" discussion. That thread was established for one
purpose, and one purpose only. To monitor fulfillment of the GMH customer run.
Darthveach is NOT a customer. His statements and arguments created a hostile
environment that served no positive purpose as his arguments had already been
covered in a non-combative manner previous to his involvement.

I am not going to say anything more in the matter. Ultimately this is ALL up to
the administration. I have no say so whatsoever. There is absolutely no favoritism.
That I can assure you. I have addressed everything I have been obligated to.

On one small side note :
Brian ... I intercepted your package to replace your fiberglass GMH with a machine
roto GMH after reading your comments on the GMH thread. I was actually trying
to surprise you. If you would prefer, I will rush your current package to you without
delay

Chris

I have been a member here for a long time , and IMHO "in my humble opinion" what i have seen over the last couple of years is favoritism.it all started when fp was "aloud " to "fix" and recast the mr helmet .call it what you will but when that happened this board "allowed" recasting . now nobody really cared cause everybody wanted one , but the bottom line is, a line was crossed .That being said , i ordered one and it was a work of art . I have alot of respect for art , i have met him and his lovely wife , and i think that fettprides offerings are second to none , and while im sure this post will get some peeps upset , again its what i have observed and its my OPINION .

I like you fettpride!

Chris - you know that I've tried really hard to balance my frustration as a customer with my understanding as a propmaker myself. But I feel I have to say this as an attempt to be constructive, not to dogpile on you.

The people complaining about the run aren't the ones damaging your reputation. You are damaging it both by getting so far behind in the first place and by flipping out on anyone who questions you. The people complaining are just being honest about their frustrations. People will sing your praises if they are happy and curse your name if they are not. That's the nature of having a public name.

I know that I am very slow to get things done for people. I've screwed up a few times left people hanging for far, far too long. Thankfully I learned from it and don't make the same mistakes anymore.

I don't take more than 10 orders at a time, I don't take payment in full until the product is boxed up and ready to ship, and I finish one run completely before I start another. Even then I get behind sometimes... If someone isn't happy with the delay, I refund his/her money, even when it's an out-of-pocket loss for me. The moment I accept money it's no longer about friends, it's about business, and I treat it as such.

I get that you wanted to not turn anyone away. But, the simple fact is that there are people who have waited a long time, and when they ask for an update they get scolded for it. I'm actually impressed people have been so nice about it really.

I understand that you are doing a ton of work for the community, but it's not philanthropy... You are being fairly compensated for your efforts. So while you ABSOLUTELY deserve respect, thanks and appreciation for what you do, you also owe your customers similar respect, thanks and appreciation. You wouldn't have a reputation in the first place without them.

Think about this from an outsider's view: You took much, much longer to deliver than anyone could have reasonably guessed when the project started. You fundamentally changed the product mid-stream without asking your customers if they were OK with that. Your delays have had trickle down impact on other projects that aren't even yours.

That's not the way to maintain a good reputation.

I'm sorry to hear that you aren't planning to sell here anymore. I hope you are able to find a happy groove that lets you do what you want to do and enjoy it again.

Glad to hear Chris

What is it with bad mouthing people and not expecting retaliation? This stuff is almost reminding me of people on the FISD arguing about armor.

There are plenty of satisfied people, and as we know there are also un satisfied people. Hes openly stated his flaws hes trying to sort things out for everyone, given a year warranty on the new helmets, and any other roto items going out because he backs the stuff with his word. No one says I must have a Fiberglass jetpack in fact most of you go with the MOW which isnt FG at all.

Typical Fettpride...no one is allowed to voice an opinion in his threads with out him getting his ego bent out of shape, but feel free to have your multi page rants in MY thread. Is there any balance? All about you brother, we know the drill by now.

Brian - I appreciate your professionalism and respect that you took what I had to say to heart and understood that my points were valid. That means a lot.

Fettpride, I would prefer you save your rants for your threads, as I am obviously not allowed to post in yours. Everything I said is true and you know it. And honestly, if you really feel like you are being "gang piled" as you put it, or mentioning in another thread that "this always happens" what does that tell you? What is the common denominator? Like it or not, you are the CAUSE of the strife that comes up in your threads. Others know it as well. And I will never name names, but trust that I have received MULTIPLE PMs from people who backed me on everything I said. I said nothing that was off the mark, I didn't stoop to personal insults like you did, I stated cold hard facts and you don't like the taste of truth. You are the one who takes things personally, not me. There is no personal "venom" as you put it. I just get tired of seeing injustice and nobody doing anything about it. So I said something. No I am not a customer, nor at this point will I ever be. I was pointing out reasons why I had completely changed my mind about ever doing business with you. I don't need your items so badly that I would go thru what other people have been going thru to get them. I can get them when the disappointed people get something that is way different than what they ordered. But that does not make my points any less valid. This is a public forum and I call people out on BS when I see it. Like I said, I was done saying what, for so long, needed to be said. And I am done now. But true to your form, I am sure you will have some 2000 word retort to this.

I wish to add that I have read the GMH thread pretty much from start to end and any other threads (like this one) related to that. I've read all the frustration, anger and irritation that people have spoken. I've read threads on this forum long before I actually signed up and started posting. This still has not put off from ordering from fettpride. I may not yet have dealt personally with Chris, but I would not hesitate to do so. I already own a sidearm holster from fp which I'm very happy with and when it's time to upgrade my helmet GMH will be the logical choice. Fiberglass or not. You don't see any people complaining about the durability of MOW jetpacks and they are also rotocast resin. I can understand that people were expecting fiberglass and get upset when it isn't, but with all the experience FP has in the area, it's reasonable that he would only substitue fiberglass with something of equal or better durability.

Chris, its great to see you´re back on track again as before the GMH job. You´re posting again and I hope you´re answering your PMs again too. :-)

I did apologize via PM but I don´t know if I am on your "ignore-list" ... so you might haven´t read it.

I would like to talk about a small busines thing with you via PM so it would be great to hear from you!

Thanks a lot.

Manuel

A 2000 word retort? Actually , I'd resigned myself to your not being worth the effort. In case you hadn't noticed, I've not been acknowledging you directly. However, I had a bit of an epiphany this evening that I'd certainly like to share.

Sure, pal ... this may be your thread, but it is a thread that you started to continue your tantrum from another thread (my thread) where you felt it necessary to stir the proverbial pot where you didn't belong. The difference is, I have a right to come into your thread to defend myself. When you came into mine, it was as a provoker, an agitator, an instigator.This is a typical narrow minded perspective that every single one of you trolls carry with you when you decide to attack me. If you think the rest of the board is blind to it, you're no different than the rest of them. The common denominator you speak of? You imply it's me. When really, it's the same every time. It's always one person (like yourself) that's so obviously bitter with me for reasons unrelated to any particular topic at hand, that you end up making an utter fool of yourself with a rant that becomes a full on assault on the senses. It's always over the top, dramatic, and so utterly personal that anyone can see through it right through it.

WOW, swing...and a miss. Again, Chris you totally missed the point of just about everything.

First off, I am getting sick of you suggesting that I am in some way a troll. In no way were my comments off topic or inflammatory. In no way was I provoking. Why do you fail to address the fact that a customer in that thread said something about it before I EVER commented? Again, everything I said was the TRUTH. You seem to want to skirt around this and keep turning the attention back to me instead of looking at the issue at hand. Which is fine, I have dealt with enough people in my day to know what projecting is. And I never IMPLIED it was you being the common denominator. I came right out and SAID it was. Personal? You "pal" are the one who made it personal. Big boy pants? Calling me a common man, which everyone here knows by now you meant to say. You are above no one here. Stop acting like it.


And my mistake every time this happens, is addressing a single individual like yourself as if you're the sole spokesman for the rest of the community, in essence formatting my responses and defenses as if I were lashing out at the entire collective community as a whole. For the first time in a decade, I just realized this. And to the rest of the community, I sincerely apologize. The truth is, the common denominator is always one troll that hides behind a diluted typical oppressed freedom fighter mentality ..."I call it as I see it", or "I am not afraid to speak the truth", or "I take a stand for the underdog". A real self proclaimed crusader you are. Every time this happens, you are always the only one that can stand up to "fettpride" when everyone else is afraid to do so, to say what YOU feel everyone else has been wanting to say. It has been a pattern for 10 long, grueling years. And Brian was right. This is what comes with being a public persona. There will always be one or two around every corner that want to spit and flap about their distain for me. And it's usually out of some form of jealousy. Now, this is me, saying what others have been wanting to say for years as well.

Again using words like troll and "diluted typical oppressed freedom fighter mentality" What world do you live in? I have stated nothing but facts, which yuou seem to continually ignore. You call my responses emotionally filled rants. Here is a message from another member I got right after I posted my original comments. Again, I refuse to name names, but it bears posting here. You suggest I am the only one who feels this way, please stop turning a blind eye to the fact that you have pi$$ed off plenty of people in your time. I just have the guts to speak up about it. They wrote: Kudos to you good sir. I'm glad that you are posting what so many feel but are afraid to post for whatever reason. Thank you, not only for your stand, but also your calm delivery and concise responses. And that is one of 6 messages I have received so far. You want to point the finger at just me, that's OK. I find it unbelievable that Brian can post to you exactly what I, as well as plenty of other people are thinking, and you choose to ignore it. He summed it up PERFECTLY when he said "The people complaining about the run aren't the ones damaging your reputation. You are damaging it both by getting so far behind in the first place and by flipping out on anyone who questions you. The people complaining are just being honest about their frustrations. People will sing your praises if they are happy and curse your name if they are not. That's the nature of having a public name." Yet again, you turn a blind eye and want to poitnthe finger at someone else. Fine, I will be your scapegoat this go around. Because it will be someone else down the road.


It sickens me, that I've acted the way I have at times like this, treating the entire community as if they've all spoken through the pathetic keyboard muscles of someone like yourself. You want to buck heads with me? Put your keyboard away. Man up, and give me a call sometime. My phone number is posted everywhere.

I have no problem calling you on the phone. But the fact is, you enjoy the grandstanding. You enjoy trying to rally your troops to restore Fettpride's good name. Instead of PMing me your phone number like other people have, you do this.

As typical as every other twin incident over the years, you're no different than every other antagonist. You use these forums as a personal platform and public call to arms. Always a smear campaign. But really, look at the involvement here in this thread. Or the last. Besides one other individual with a personal bone to pick with me, you are utterly alone. There has been no one else to come to your party. All that you've accomplished here is forcing me to a point of utter frustration with you, (an individual) and my blindly taking those frustrations out on a community that's done nothing but support me. Therefore, my making a complete and utter dramatic a$$ of "MYSELF". Because I let you press the appropriate buttons.

Again not taking into account the people that are to scared to post here. Which is fine, that is their right, and from past history with you, I can understand why. But again, you mistakenly assume I am alone. Here is another copy and paste of one an excerpt of a PM I got. As for FP himself you couldn't pay me to do business with that charlatan ever again. Thanks again for taking the time to write, I really appreciate it! Any chance you are starting to see a pattern here, Chris. That common denominator sinking in yet? How about another: Just wanted you to know you weren't alone. He's lost a LOT of future customers because of his work ethic and lack of customer skill and communications. Still think it is just me? Keep telling yourself that "buddy."

On second thought, I think I'd prefer that the administration restore your posts after all. Whereas I preferred the removal of trolling redundancy, I've decided that I actually think it would be better that it be immortalized for everyone to see. Why should you get a "get out of jail free card". Without your constructive contributions, all people will ever see is my looking like the tyrannical megalomaniac dipshit that you make me out to be. You stand on your own merits and contributions, just as I do.

How is it a "get out of jail free card" when I have done nothing but express facts from the beginning. You keep wanting to chalk this up to the fact that you have done nothing to warrant this. Like I mentioned before, everyone knows I am not the first and certainly won't be the last person you pi$$ off with the way you handle yourself on here, both professionally and personally.


Incidentally, you keep referring to your having been a constructive member here back in the days of old. Why is it you haven't shared your former board name?

It is, was, and always will be DarthVeach. I was a member around 2003/2004 for a short time and then turned my attention to stormtrooper armor. I got so caught up with trooping, that I lost track of this place. Many years and costume projects later, my interest in all things Fett brought me back here. The board had gone thru changes, updates, overhauls and since I hadn't logged on in 7-8 years, I am guessing my old login info went the way of the old forum. But I know what you are suggesting, that this "common man" somehow got banned or is hiding behind some other board name? Wrong again, I am a member of of many forums, some dating back to 2002 and I have been more consistent there than I have been here and my board name has always been the same. Again, I love how you assume things about people you don't even know and are always wrong.

Now, I'll take a page from your handbook. I've said what I needed to say. I'll not be mucking around here any further.

Somehow, I doubt that

And again, to the membership : I sincerely apologize for my having let these incidents get under my skin so bad, that I've taken it out on you, those who read through these seemingly endless threads and posts and wonder, what the hell did I do to him? I truly am sorry.

You did nothing to me personally. But please, you need a scapegoat, so go ahead and continue to say it is just me. At least I know the truth. Not the "version" of it that you hide behind. Again, I am saying what other people are afraid to say Why don't you "man up" as you suggested to me, and as I have asked you before, start treating people with the respect they deserve. You are above no one here. I get tired of seeing you act as though you are.

Can I be the guest referee?! For this all out battle is in fact EPIC!

Circular logic.

There will be people that agree with you, surely. And there will be people
that I've pissed off in a decade. Anyone else would have by now as well.
In my position, you can't please everyone. And everyone reading this blather
can connect the dots. People who don't like me for whatever their reasons,
won't order from me. And that is their prerogative. I don't lose sleep over it.
And neither should you.

I don't believe I'm better than anyone else. I have my flaws, and I
am well aware of them. I'm not going to continue to waste time with
you arguing about them. I have work to do, and customers to please.
I told you that I've said what I had to say in the public arena.

@DarthVeach... you mention FP's "work ethic" from a PM... that is something different from a run that got out of hand.

He's been trying fulfill these orders since the run began as well as other orders... and regular work... and life in general.

People may question the handling of the run, but don't question FP's work ethic.

It really diminishes the argument you were trying to make.

FYI - I'm not involved in the gmh run.

I don't really see that much more of use is being said here.

Chris, I think you nailed it that the misconceptions come from posts made out of frustration and stress. I think everyone in the run is sympathetic to the fact that it's a TON of work.

I know as a customer, all I ask is for periodic updates, and a relatively positive attitude about the whole thing. I know it's a pain to have to answer 20 pms asking for updates, but it's also a pain waiting for the stuff to come out. It's a give and take on both sides of the equation, and everyone needs to be understanding of each others positions.

I think threads like this are great because it lets everyone know what's up. It's common knowledge that FettPride products are of extremely high quality, possibly the best available in the world of fan-made Fett replicas. Anyone who got in on the GMH run should have known Chris's responsibilities to other new "hinted at" projects, normal orders, real life, and his historically long wait times (as compared to some, but not all other vendors). If he doesn't want to post a run list and doesn't want to have to respond to update PMs that's fine. He's a vendor and can do things as he sees fit, but you as a buyer have to accept these behaviors and realize that if you're going to invest in the run there are certain sacrifices you have to make because you can't get that helmet anywhere else. I have a FettPride helmet and knees. They are both of great quality and I'm happy with them but I bought them through third parties because I know FP's deal when it comes to orders and I'm not okay with it. I don't have a GMH because I'm not the kind of person who can wait that long for a helmet. As a buyer you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Mods if you want to lock this down you can. I don't see any reason for it to continue. I have spoken with you and also said what I needed to say here. I stand by everything I said.

As stated, the issues that started this thread have been addressed. All parties involved have expressed their views and chosen to step away. There is no sense in this discussion to remain open..

This thread will now be locked.