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    Madrid Boba's Avatar
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    PLEASE READ IT....

    Hello all,


    My name is Alfredo from Madrid, Spain.

    I am writting this post because i am getting tired of the same thing...sellers changeing their mind after the deal is closed.

    What do i mean with this?


    I mean that once you have decided to sell something to someone, you should not change your mind and sellet to another person just because he lives closer, because he is from your country, or because she is a female.... A closed deal means "SOLD"

    The system should depure itself, like in ebay, or we should be able to make something like a black list to know who can you trust if you are going to buy something.

    This has happened to me twice in 48 hours. The last one is this one

    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showt...612#post304612

    I know that this is done by a small percentage of the members, but you should be aware...



    What can we do about this...?




    Sorry for this post, and for my english...


    Thanks

    regards


    Alfredo

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    The seller has a right to sell to whoever they want.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    That is not the point. Of course you can sell it to whoever you want, but think before you say YES!!!!!

    ONCE YOU SELL IT TO SOMEONE IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY "JUST FORGET IT"

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Alfredo, you wanted additional terms that TD2253 would not agree to. It is clear there was no sale. You have no right to demand 3 separate payments and that he declare the value to be worth less than it is. There was no "closed deal." You wanted additional terms, TD2253 did not agree to them. Therefore, there was never a deal.

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    I did say " I will buy it". But i was only requesting for a couple favours, if he didnt like them, he should have said " i dont like your conditions...if you still want it, it has to be my way." But he did not give the chance to do it. He was going to check in the post office, he asked my address, and he asked me if i did want it (of course i told him yes more than twice")

    I am also selling in this forum, and if i say to a person if he wants it?..and he says yes...THAT MEANS SOLD for me.

    In our law system( in spain, and france, and many other countries), that comes from the Romans with more than 2000 years old, that is what is called a verbal agreement,and it has the same value as a written contract. Shaking hands, or saying yes, means SOLD.

    And instead he sold it to someone else.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    This is going to sound harsh, but, for better or worse, this is not eBay. There are no fees to buy or sell here. Agreements and transactions are the responsibility of people who are involved. The ad you mentioned shows "no international shipping" in the first line of text.

    Given the choice of dealing with all the hassle of shipping at all, much less dealing with customs forms and the unpredictable shipping costs, a lot of people would rather have a local person come and pick up the item. Also, when you post an expensive item for sale here, you end up getting a ton of PMs from people immediately, and maybe a couple of them are really serious about purchasing.

    Sure it stinks to be in a different country from many of the items you want to buy, and you may have had a couple of bad experiences in a row. I've had a couple of bad experiences buying from random people on this board. The buy/sell forum provided by TDH is a casual system. If you want ratings and additional accountability beyond what this board offers, keep your transactions on eBay.

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    Madrid Boba's Avatar
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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    ok, i understand it.

    I did read at the beginning "No international post", but i did ask first. He could have said..."Sorry Alfredo, i said no international shipping...for me is a pain in the a... please understand me"I guess that he was talking to other "buyers", but since he did not sell it (thats what i think), he sent me a PM.

    You are right, this is not ebay. In my opinnion, this should be a better place, because we are all in the same boat. That means that we all like this stuff, and we understand our crazy way about Boba and all its stuff.

    Whenever you ask for help, theres always a bunch of nice guys willing to help.

    And like i said at the beginning, this is only a small black spot in a white blanket, but it is there.

    I think that we all should think something so this kind of things should not happen to anybody.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    I understand where you are coming from Alfredo and I know it is frustrating.

    But if you look at it on his side, there are too many factors that has to be considered by the seller for international buyers which he may not have been aware of with his initial agreement.
    I don't know the seller, but apparently he was looking for a fast sale, but after looking at the things involved in shipping internationally, he may have been put off.
    After all there are size restrictions (which I came across with my HIC project) which require ordering the right sized boxes.
    There is also the packaging and bringing the boxes to the Post office, where locally we can have it picked up by FedEx or UPS for the close to the same price (which has outrageously high prices for international shipping).
    Standing in line, filling out the appropriate forms according to your specification.
    Plus there is no option of insurance, which is a little scary for something this pricey.

    I don't think it was personal, only a little more hassle than the seller would prefer.
    But, this is just talking from experience and the seller should chime in with his views.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Thanks, i also understand what you say.

    But we live in the communication era. We have emails, PM, phone...


    Dont you think that it is so easy to explain it (IF THAT WAS THE REAL REASON), instead of just say "forget about it"?


    I am a very reasonable person, with very good education..i have travelled and lived in different countries..... i should have undertand sometghin like "please Alfredo , try to understand but...bla bla bla bla. thanks again"

    Is it that difficult?


    Come on....!!

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Doesn't anyone else think the "just forget it" part of this whole thing is a perhaps just a tad unfair?

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    I don't like some of the comments I'm reading here. I have made a few bad experiences in a row here also, thinking that when I came to this place members would help each other out. Now I'm noticing that a few fellas really don't mind changing a deal as they go along, and even try to justify it afterwards. That makes for a very unsafe place to buy and sell things. I have the highest respect for each and every members, and for some even more. I don't see that Alfredo did anything wrong, his money is as good as anybody elses. As far as boxing up stuff and shipping stuff with the postal service is concerned, big deal, if you ship stuff out you still have to box it regardless if you ship ups, fed ex or usps.
    I treat others the way I want to be treated, unfortunately that behaviour does not apply to everybody on the planet.
    I think the mods should implement or do something to make this section a little safer for everybody.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    It reads a bit harsh, proper choice of wording and consideration could have helped the situation.

    Just a little addition, I am in no way siding with anyone or defending the sellers actions, just giving a scenario of what could have been the other person's thinking.

    Like I said, I understand Madrid Bobas situation and the seller could have handled it better with more communication and a nicer tone than the last message he was given.
    Last edited by VashDstampede; Dec 22, 2007 at 3:12 PM.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Thanks

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Gypsyboy said: View Post
    Doesn't anyone else think the "just forget it" part of this whole thing is a perhaps just a tad unfair?

    Unfair, yes. I'd be bummed out if it were to happen in my spot.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    My two cents on this mistransaction is a HORRIBLE breakdown with communications, here are acouple of points I read to consider
    Point 1-
    Madird Boba-the orginal advertisment was that there was no international shipping.
    TD2235-Should have not entertained the offer of a international sale if he sadi there was not international sale.He should have stuck to his "guns" and stay away from entertaining international sales even if the buyer would pay for shipping.
    Point 2-
    Madrid Boba-It should have been understood that TD2235 was not interested in mulitilpe payments since he was not breaking up the set.Apparently he needed all the money upfront from reading his ad.
    TD2235-I feel you really should have not opened the door for Madird to want the suit.Again if you said no international sales then no international offers accepted for review.
    Point 3-
    This is a classic case of poor comunication between two parties.Once the door had been opened that there might be a international sale when there was not going to be one TD2235 should have chosen a little more tackful words to use to end discussions of a possible sale.
    Madrid BobaI dont think this is a matter of trust being broke.I do understand in you culture that was a verbal deal is made that it is good as written in stone.i fear what happened in your case was a seller who let talks get to far ahead of what he truly wanted to stay a from,which was a international sell.
    I think it is safe to say we have all been down a road like this in selling items.You need the money and you jump at the first taker without taking the second to consider everything.And when you do you try to be careful backing out due to regrets for what ever reason.
    Madrid Boba please look at this as possible Divine intervetion that this is mght not have been the "deal" for you.I am sure "HE" will deliver the suit for you in a timely manner.I understand your fustrations but the is truly a "buyer beware" spot to try to purchase such high cost items.
    I have meant no personal attacks with this these have just be my oppinions from reading the supplied texts.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Thanks Lopero.

    just one thing.

    breaking the payment in more than one time, did not mean in a long term.

    What i tried to do is to make two or three payments, so i could have one for each box just in case they got stoped at customs.... so i can show one invoice for each one, and not one for the whole thing. but always that i do this, i pay with paypal all the payments within 3 minutes one of each other.

    it is just a way of having 3 invoices, one for each box.

    in Spain, at customs, they have learned very quick about paypal, and if you say that you paid with that, you have to show them the pay pal receive.

    And the first time that i contact the seller, i did tell him if he did not mind shipping overseas...and that i was a very good buyer with lots of international trading in ebay....in order to let him know that i was a reliable person to do bussiness with.

    thanks

    Alfredo

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Just a couple of side notes on this transaction. With the current value of the Euro vs the USD, TDH members would be prudent to mention No International Sales or Shipping or become aware of the correct way to do business "internationally". Our foreign TDH members currenlty have more buying power than our domestic TDHers, so if you want the most money now, you might consider becoming savy with international trade. Of course your "international" price should be be considerble more than the price of a domestic consumer, and the buyer should pay all of the currency exchange fees. This would be fair and cover the cost for the "extra favors" like Madrid Bob mentioned, multiple box shipping and handling, time off work to go to the USPS, and other fees doing business internationally might entail.
    Also, be aware if the deal is voided, the seller might incur a financial "loss" when he refunds the currency, due to conversion fees. I know, I purchased something internationally from a member of the TDH, paid in Euros, and when it didn't arrive for several weeks, I requested a refund. He refunded to me minus the conversion fees, and I took a loss on both the initial purchase/refund and never received a thing. So be aware of this if you do sell internationally

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Thats a good point...


    but i dont think that it should be more expensive if youbuy with pounds or if you are in the Euro zone....

    if i have to sell something to a US resident, i will not sell it cheaper. I will sell it at the same price everywhere.

    But we are very used to buy and sell to many countries because of how europe is.

    you only have two neighbours, Canada, and Mexico.

    But i do agree that if iwant some favors, like shipping in more than one box, or if the seller has to go to the post office the seller could charge more (but i do not recommend that)


    The only thing that i have been asking here for is a "FAIR PLAY".

    Few years ago, or even when i was a student in the US, the dollar was stronger than the spanish currency then, the "Peseta" was.

    Now is our turn with the euro.........but what it really means is that your market has opened to more than 300 million new potencial buyers


    think about it

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    And i forgot...thanks to "tools" like paypal, and others (wester Union...), it is so easy to buy in another currency, that we should take advantage of it....

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    volkerc said: View Post
    I think the mods should implement or do something to make this section a little safer for everybody.
    That's just not a reasonable request. How much personal/payment info do you really want to commit to TDH's servers? How much responsibility do you think TDH wants over the security of your personal data? Again, if you want guarantees of auction safety and accountability from an internet transaction, go to a major site like eBay.

    I'm open to the idea of a rating system. Someone with 3,000 posts could be an unscrupulous seller, and someone with 30 posts could be a great buyer. Maintaining user ratings for monetary transactions, and separate ratings for post count (a default behavior for boards like this) or for quality of informational postings sounds like too much additional noise.

    Cargo Hold Terms and Conditions said:
    The seller is free to determine whom they want to sell their item to and are not required to sell to the first person to commit to purchase the item. While we would like to think our sellers wouldn’t deny selling to a particular buyer, a seller is not obligated to sell to anyone they do not wish to for any reason or for no reason at all. Calling “dibs” on an item doesn’t obligate the seller to sell to you.
    Cargo Hold Terms and Conditions said:
    The administrative staff will not assume responsibility for transactions conducted on the board, and therefore will not act the role of mediator, negotiator, arbitrator or enforcer of any sale. These are private transactions, and the purpose of allowing such sales on The Dented Helmet is ONLY to help members sell and buy items from one another.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    "That's just not a reasonable request. "

    WHY NOT? we should be open to new ideas, that could do this transactions more pleaseant, and safer.




    Just rate it after a transaction.....(or whatever we decided)




    And ...why not to evaluate what kind of person you are dealing with?




    Whats wrong with it?


    And....i will always offer any Star Wars (of course Bobas stuff) here, with the price that i want, before going to Ebay (wich i love it).

    Being a member of the TDH for me, ....... is sharing info, making new friends, offer my knoleadge and items, and of course....trust each other and have a good time.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    Wow, Count Dookie now that is a clear statement, so you're literally saying "it is not reasonable to make this a safer environment for buyers and seller"!!

    I've got nothing to hide, and would have no problem to give others my info!

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
    Last edited by Bountyone; Dec 23, 2007 at 1:20 AM.

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    volkerc said: View Post
    Wow, Count Dookie now that is a clear statement, so you're literally saying "it is not reasonable to make this a safer environment for buyers and seller"!!
    Okay, that's not what I meant to convey, and I apologize for not articulating my point clearly enough. Also, I'm just giving my opinion, and not speaking on behalf of a message board that I don't run.

    Of course it's perfectly reasonable to suggest improvements, and it's perfectly reasonable to request some changes to policy that make things better for everyone. And, it's perfectly reasonable to have your opinion about any topic, regardless of whether other people agree or not.

    I am saying that I don't think it's feasible or necessary for the mods or the board owner to assume any more responsibility in the matter than they have previously outlined in The Cargo Hold terms and conditions.

    I've had two bad transactions here, and 20+ good ones. Let the buyer beware. There are a million other boards that with for sale forums that work exactly the same way as The Cargo Hold. therpf.com doesn't seem to have any bigger problem than here, and they probably move about 50x more merchandise through that forum.

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    Re: PLEASE READ IT....

    volkerc said: View Post
    Wow, Count Dookie now that is a clear statement, so you're literally saying "it is not reasonable to make this a safer environment for buyers and seller"!!

    I've got nothing to hide, and would have no problem to give others my info!
    its not reasonable this is a comment thread forum (not ebay 0
    if you want guarentee's go to ebay ( and there is still no guarentee)

    and this has happened to me ,I thought i was the new proud owner of fettprides msh2 molds but he hasn't gotten back to me since tuesday ,even though he has been on the board off an on all week ,and i understand and don't need an explanation , he either didn;t want to sell or got a better offer ,THAT'S LIFE

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