PLEASE READ IT....

Hello all,


My name is Alfredo from Madrid, Spain.

I am writting this post because i am getting tired of the same thing...sellers changeing their mind after the deal is closed.

What do i mean with this?


I mean that once you have decided to sell something to someone, you should not change your mind and sellet to another person just because he lives closer, because he is from your country, or because she is a female.... A closed deal means "SOLD"

The system should depure itself, like in ebay, or we should be able to make something like a black list to know who can you trust if you are going to buy something.

This has happened to me twice in 48 hours. The last one is this one

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showt...612#post304612

I know that this is done by a small percentage of the members, but you should be aware...



What can we do about this...?




Sorry for this post, and for my english...


Thanks

regards


Alfredo

The seller has a right to sell to whoever they want.

That is not the point. Of course you can sell it to whoever you want, but think before you say YES!!!!!

ONCE YOU SELL IT TO SOMEONE IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY "JUST FORGET IT"

Alfredo, you wanted additional terms that TD2253 would not agree to. It is clear there was no sale. You have no right to demand 3 separate payments and that he declare the value to be worth less than it is. There was no "closed deal." You wanted additional terms, TD2253 did not agree to them. Therefore, there was never a deal.

I did say " I will buy it". But i was only requesting for a couple favours, if he didnt like them, he should have said " i dont like your conditions...if you still want it, it has to be my way." But he did not give the chance to do it. He was going to check in the post office, he asked my address, and he asked me if i did want it (of course i told him yes more than twice")

I am also selling in this forum, and if i say to a person if he wants it?..and he says yes...THAT MEANS SOLD for me.

In our law system( in spain, and france, and many other countries), that comes from the Romans with more than 2000 years old, that is what is called a verbal agreement,and it has the same value as a written contract. Shaking hands, or saying yes, means SOLD.

And instead he sold it to someone else.

This is going to sound harsh, but, for better or worse, this is not eBay. There are no fees to buy or sell here. Agreements and transactions are the responsibility of people who are involved. The ad you mentioned shows "no international shipping" in the first line of text.

Given the choice of dealing with all the hassle of shipping at all, much less dealing with customs forms and the unpredictable shipping costs, a lot of people would rather have a local person come and pick up the item. Also, when you post an expensive item for sale here, you end up getting a ton of PMs from people immediately, and maybe a couple of them are really serious about purchasing.

Sure it stinks to be in a different country from many of the items you want to buy, and you may have had a couple of bad experiences in a row. I've had a couple of bad experiences buying from random people on this board. The buy/sell forum provided by TDH is a casual system. If you want ratings and additional accountability beyond what this board offers, keep your transactions on eBay.

ok, i understand it.

I did read at the beginning "No international post", but i did ask first. He could have said..."Sorry Alfredo, i said no international shipping...for me is a pain in the a... please understand me"I guess that he was talking to other "buyers", but since he did not sell it (thats what i think), he sent me a PM.

You are right, this is not ebay. In my opinnion, this should be a better place, because we are all in the same boat. That means that we all like this stuff, and we understand our crazy way about Boba and all its stuff.

Whenever you ask for help, theres always a bunch of nice guys willing to help.

And like i said at the beginning, this is only a small black spot in a white blanket, but it is there.

I think that we all should think something so this kind of things should not happen to anybody.

I understand where you are coming from Alfredo and I know it is frustrating.

But if you look at it on his side, there are too many factors that has to be considered by the seller for international buyers which he may not have been aware of with his initial agreement.
I don't know the seller, but apparently he was looking for a fast sale, but after looking at the things involved in shipping internationally, he may have been put off.
After all there are size restrictions (which I came across with my HIC project) which require ordering the right sized boxes.
There is also the packaging and bringing the boxes to the Post office, where locally we can have it picked up by FedEx or UPS for the close to the same price (which has outrageously high prices for international shipping).
Standing in line, filling out the appropriate forms according to your specification.
Plus there is no option of insurance, which is a little scary for something this pricey.

I don't think it was personal, only a little more hassle than the seller would prefer.
But, this is just talking from experience and the seller should chime in with his views.

Thanks, i also understand what you say.

But we live in the communication era. We have emails, PM, phone...


Dont you think that it is so easy to explain it (IF THAT WAS THE REAL REASON), instead of just say "forget about it"?


I am a very reasonable person, with very good education..i have travelled and lived in different countries..... i should have undertand sometghin like "please Alfredo , try to understand but...bla bla bla bla. thanks again"

Is it that difficult?


Come on....!!

Doesn't anyone else think the "just forget it" part of this whole thing is a perhaps just a tad unfair?

I don't like some of the comments I'm reading here. I have made a few bad experiences in a row here also, thinking that when I came to this place members would help each other out. Now I'm noticing that a few fellas really don't mind changing a deal as they go along, and even try to justify it afterwards. That makes for a very unsafe place to buy and sell things. I have the highest respect for each and every members, and for some even more. I don't see that Alfredo did anything wrong, his money is as good as anybody elses. As far as boxing up stuff and shipping stuff with the postal service is concerned, big deal, if you ship stuff out you still have to box it regardless if you ship ups, fed ex or usps.
I treat others the way I want to be treated, unfortunately that behaviour does not apply to everybody on the planet.
I think the mods should implement or do something to make this section a little safer for everybody.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Gypsyboy

Doesn't anyone else think the "just forget it" part of this whole thing is a perhaps just a tad unfair?

Unfair, yes. I'd be bummed out if it were to happen in my spot.

My two cents on this mistransaction is a HORRIBLE breakdown with communications, here are acouple of points I read to consider
Point 1-
Madird Boba-the orginal advertisment was that there was no international shipping.
TD2235-Should have not entertained the offer of a international sale if he sadi there was not international sale.He should have stuck to his "guns" and stay away from entertaining international sales even if the buyer would pay for shipping.
Point 2-
Madrid Boba-It should have been understood that TD2235 was not interested in mulitilpe payments since he was not breaking up the set.Apparently he needed all the money upfront from reading his ad.
TD2235-I feel you really should have not opened the door for Madird to want the suit.Again if you said no international sales then no international offers accepted for review.
Point 3-
This is a classic case of poor comunication between two parties.Once the door had been opened that there might be a international sale when there was not going to be one TD2235 should have chosen a little more tackful words to use to end discussions of a possible sale.
Madrid BobaI dont think this is a matter of trust being broke.I do understand in you culture that was a verbal deal is made that it is good as written in stone.i fear what happened in your case was a seller who let talks get to far ahead of what he truly wanted to stay a from,which was a international sell.
I think it is safe to say we have all been down a road like this in selling items.You need the money and you jump at the first taker without taking the second to consider everything.And when you do you try to be careful backing out due to regrets for what ever reason.
Madrid Boba please look at this as possible Divine intervetion that this is mght not have been the "deal" for you.I am sure "HE" will deliver the suit for you in a timely manner.I understand your fustrations but the is truly a "buyer beware" spot to try to purchase such high cost items.
I have meant no personal attacks with this these have just be my oppinions from reading the supplied texts.

Thanks Lopero.

just one thing.

breaking the payment in more than one time, did not mean in a long term.

What i tried to do is to make two or three payments, so i could have one for each box just in case they got stoped at customs.... so i can show one invoice for each one, and not one for the whole thing. but always that i do this, i pay with paypal all the payments within 3 minutes one of each other.

it is just a way of having 3 invoices, one for each box.

in Spain, at customs, they have learned very quick about paypal, and if you say that you paid with that, you have to show them the pay pal receive.

And the first time that i contact the seller, i did tell him if he did not mind shipping overseas...and that i was a very good buyer with lots of international trading in ebay....in order to let him know that i was a reliable person to do bussiness with.

thanks

Alfredo

Just a couple of side notes on this transaction. With the current value of the Euro vs the USD, TDH members would be prudent to mention No International Sales or Shipping or become aware of the correct way to do business "internationally". Our foreign TDH members currenlty have more buying power than our domestic TDHers, so if you want the most money now, you might consider becoming savy with international trade. Of course your "international" price should be be considerble more than the price of a domestic consumer, and the buyer should pay all of the currency exchange fees. This would be fair and cover the cost for the "extra favors" like Madrid Bob mentioned, multiple box shipping and handling, time off work to go to the USPS, and other fees doing business internationally might entail.
Also, be aware if the deal is voided, the seller might incur a financial "loss" when he refunds the currency, due to conversion fees. I know, I purchased something internationally from a member of the TDH, paid in Euros, and when it didn't arrive for several weeks, I requested a refund. He refunded to me minus the conversion fees, and I took a loss on both the initial purchase/refund and never received a thing. So be aware of this if you do sell internationally

Thats a good point...


but i dont think that it should be more expensive if youbuy with pounds or if you are in the Euro zone....

if i have to sell something to a US resident, i will not sell it cheaper. I will sell it at the same price everywhere.

But we are very used to buy and sell to many countries because of how europe is.

you only have two neighbours, Canada, and Mexico.

But i do agree that if iwant some favors, like shipping in more than one box, or if the seller has to go to the post office the seller could charge more (but i do not recommend that)


The only thing that i have been asking here for is a "FAIR PLAY".

Few years ago, or even when i was a student in the US, the dollar was stronger than the spanish currency then, the "Peseta" was.

Now is our turn with the euro.........but what it really means is that your market has opened to more than 300 million new potencial buyers


think about it

And i forgot...thanks to "tools" like paypal, and others (wester Union...), it is so easy to buy in another currency, that we should take advantage of it....

Originally Posted by volkerc

I think the mods should implement or do something to make this section a little safer for everybody.

That's just not a reasonable request. How much personal/payment info do you really want to commit to TDH's servers? How much responsibility do you think TDH wants over the security of your personal data? Again, if you want guarantees of auction safety and accountability from an internet transaction, go to a major site like eBay.

I'm open to the idea of a rating system. Someone with 3,000 posts could be an unscrupulous seller, and someone with 30 posts could be a great buyer. Maintaining user ratings for monetary transactions, and separate ratings for post count (a default behavior for boards like this) or for quality of informational postings sounds like too much additional noise.

Originally Posted by Cargo Hold Terms and Conditions

The seller is free to determine whom they want to sell their item to and are not required to sell to the first person to commit to purchase the item. While we would like to think our sellers wouldn’t deny selling to a particular buyer, a seller is not obligated to sell to anyone they do not wish to for any reason or for no reason at all. Calling “dibs” on an item doesn’t obligate the seller to sell to you.

Originally Posted by Cargo Hold Terms and Conditions

The administrative staff will not assume responsibility for transactions conducted on the board, and therefore will not act the role of mediator, negotiator, arbitrator or enforcer of any sale. These are private transactions, and the purpose of allowing such sales on The Dented Helmet is ONLY to help members sell and buy items from one another.

"That's just not a reasonable request. "

WHY NOT? we should be open to new ideas, that could do this transactions more pleaseant, and safer.




Just rate it after a transaction.....(or whatever we decided)




And ...why not to evaluate what kind of person you are dealing with?




Whats wrong with it?


And....i will always offer any Star Wars (of course Bobas stuff) here, with the price that i want, before going to Ebay (wich i love it).

Being a member of the TDH for me, ....... is sharing info, making new friends, offer my knoleadge and items, and of course....trust each other and have a good time.

Wow, Count Dookie now that is a clear statement, so you're literally saying "it is not reasonable to make this a safer environment for buyers and seller"!!

I've got nothing to hide, and would have no problem to give others my info!

Originally Posted by volkerc

Wow, Count Dookie now that is a clear statement, so you're literally saying "it is not reasonable to make this a safer environment for buyers and seller"!!

Okay, that's not what I meant to convey, and I apologize for not articulating my point clearly enough. Also, I'm just giving my opinion, and not speaking on behalf of a message board that I don't run.

Of course it's perfectly reasonable to suggest improvements, and it's perfectly reasonable to request some changes to policy that make things better for everyone. And, it's perfectly reasonable to have your opinion about any topic, regardless of whether other people agree or not.

I am saying that I don't think it's feasible or necessary for the mods or the board owner to assume any more responsibility in the matter than they have previously outlined in The Cargo Hold terms and conditions.

I've had two bad transactions here, and 20+ good ones. Let the buyer beware. There are a million other boards that with for sale forums that work exactly the same way as The Cargo Hold. therpf.com doesn't seem to have any bigger problem than here, and they probably move about 50x more merchandise through that forum.

Originally Posted by volkerc

Wow, Count Dookie now that is a clear statement, so you're literally saying "it is not reasonable to make this a safer environment for buyers and seller"!!

I've got nothing to hide, and would have no problem to give others my info!

its not reasonable this is a comment thread forum (not ebay 0
if you want guarentee's go to ebay ( and there is still no guarentee)

and this has happened to me ,I thought i was the new proud owner of fettprides msh2 molds but he hasn't gotten back to me since tuesday ,even though he has been on the board off an on all week ,and i understand and don't need an explanation , he either didn;t want to sell or got a better offer ,THAT'S LIFE

What difference does the currency make? If it costs 'X' USD, then that is translated into other currencies to be the equal amount.

I wasn't talking about the currency...it's the value of the merchandise.

Originally Posted by Bountyone

This has happened to me many times. you tell the seller you are interested, send PM, tell them you are sending PP and they come back and say either they have changed thier mind and don't want to sell or they have sold it to someone else?? I had a deal gone bad just the other week when I told a member I wanted the item and that I was first in line. he then responded a day later saying "I sold it to someone else". now here's the point where I lost it.. when I told him that it was wrong what he did, he told me to "get over it"???? now, you talk about going "postal" it was hard for me to keep my mouth shut. I understand where your coming from Alfredo and it sucks when you find something you want espeacially when your first in line only to have the deal go to someone else.

Ben,

I did not sell the armor to someone else. Alfredo blatantly wrote that in his message. What I said was that someone else local is interested in it, not I sold it to someone else.

-Gene

In all fairness to Alfredo, he had 'committed to buy' and you had accepted.... Regardless of original set terms by yourself, by stringing him along is classed as intent....

Were he stateside, knowing that over there your law system is very flexible and open for a lot of different cases, you might have been in for a long and nasty court case...

Ill admit though, even though having hopes quashed in the past on items i may have been able to get, if not for the fact of 'No international bidders', i could seem bias... But ive learned a little heartbreak and perseverence pays off in the long run.... So i agree that it was wrong, but unfortunately it happens, even with the best of us...

Hey I was even tempted to get this armour, or at least try, but being 165cms id be copping a lot of 'Arent you a little to short for a Storm/Sandtrooper...'

I think one little French saying sums it up though... "c'est la vie"/Such is life...

Please continue to keep this civil. The for sale thread is now in the admin section.

On the idea of keeping some sort or rating, we have not found software that will work with this forum. It has been asked about before.

In general, there is always going to be little groups that like to sell to their friends first or runs that it looks like you can never get in on. In the last 5 years, there where many items I wanted and just never got no matter what number I was on the interest thread I was. That is life. Even as an Admin that has not always helped. So, I just got over it. You can let it eat at you and make you sick or just let it go! Remember, this is a hobby and meant to be FUN!!

I also agree asok if it didnt sound like it enough in my last post....

You can let it eat at you and make you sick or just let it go! Remember, this is a hobby and meant to be FUN!!

:thumbup and thats why you are the Admin.A suggestion that sometimes gets lost in the passion and pursuit of a dream.

You have to remember that this is not ebay. This is a forum meant for discussing costuming, selling off parts is just an extra thing that we do. They are private transactions, NOT done through TDH. TDH mods have no responsibility in transactions, nor should they. It is a buyer beware market, mods don't need more stuff to worry about. I agree that it may have been a tad rash for the seller to change his mind, I've had that happen to me before. Just a couple of days ago I said I'd buy a motorcycle from someone, but ended up selling to someone else. Why? Because they got the money to them first. I know that isn't exactly what happened here, but it is an example. The item isn't yours until it is paid for.

TD2253
My apologizes to you if my observations of this thread seemed harshed toward your character.Which was not my intentions.
I agree with you that this matter should have stayed private between you and Madrid.

Well said Chris! Thanks for the wise words regarding lessons learned at your expense unfortunately. Merry Christmas to you as well!

Originally Posted by LOPERO

TD2253
My apologizes to you if my observations of this thread seemed harshed toward your character.Which was not my intentions.
I agree with you that this matter should have stayed private between you and Madrid.

No worries Mike and thanks for the message! Merry Christmas and take care!

IMO i see things like personal PM's between members should remain a private issue between those involved and not publicly posted.

Alfredo,

Let's not beat a dead horse any longer. No physical, nor financial damage was done except for our pride so please for the sake of the holidays and our common interest and love for this hobby, let's just put this behind us and move on.

Originally Posted by Jluck

IMO i see things like personal PM's between members should remain a private issue between those involved and not publicly posted.

I agree Jluck and thanks!

OK,i agree.

But it is not a question of pride, for me it is a question of principles and education.





Alfredo

Great!!!

I think that it is a good idea.....

Maybe all this that has happened is a good thing, so we can learn from this, and it will never happened again to anybody.

Why not?

enjoy the holidays fellas!

merry x-mas everyone


to lighten the thread a little :

(you all no ur gonna crack a smile)




When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,
there will be an answer. let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light, that shines on me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

Originally Posted by Madrid Boba

OK,i agree.

But it is not a question of pride, for me it is a question of principles and education.





Alfredo

Alfredo,

If it was a question of principles and education...then why is it that everyone is reading this? You claim to have principles and education, so why is it that you did not keep this private matter between the two of us as it should have been? If you had responded privately to my last PM regarding the conditions of the sale maybe I would have re-considered and the armor would have been boxed, sealed and on it's way to you today. But instead you had to let everyone in on it which is in-appropriate. I admit I may have chosen the wrong words to say and I already apologized several times on this thread, but this has been blown so out of proportion it's becoming redundant and irritating to say the least.

As a result, you have jeopardized both our reputations as seller and buyer and vice versa on this board by needlessly publicizing a business matter that should have taken place privately. Selling and buying on this board or any other boards similar to this one is a privilege and it's not a right and can be taken away. As a fact of life, we cannot always get what we want and certainly we live in an imperfect world and we all have to accept it no matter what. Making a big scene about it does not help improve the situation and it certainly shows bad demeanor on your part by carrying on with is. So please, let's just put this to rest right now. I want to remain a member of this costuming community and I certainly want the same for you.


-Gene

Originally Posted by Jluck

enjoy the holidays fellas!

merry x-mas everyone


to lighten the thread a little :

(you all no ur gonna crack a smile)




When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree,
there will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,
there will be an answer. let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light, that shines on me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be, .....

Thanks for the song! You did just that, put a smile on my face! Happy Holidays!

My last reply:


You said:

"Alfredo,

If it was a question of principles and education...then why is it that everyone is reading this?"

I say: Because of your lack of principles and education. Thats why.

You said"why is it that you did not keep this private matter between the two of us as it should have been"

I say. So everybody will know how you do things, and next time they will be aware.


You said: "If you had responded privately to my last PM regarding the conditions of the sale maybe I would have re-considered and the armor would have been boxed, sealed and on it's way to you today"

I say: You are saying that know, so you look like a nice guy...but dont you remember this "just forget it". You were the one that broke the deal.


You said: "I admit I may have chosen the wrong words to say and I already apologized several times on this thread"

I say: But you havent tell me that you are sorry.


You said: "it does not help improve the situation and it certainly shows bad demeanor on your part by carrying on with is"


I say: The one that did show bad manners was you, breaking the deal. I have nothing to hide, thats why i make it public. But you try to keep it private...

why?

Are you ashamed?



And this is it.

I will not reply to any of your posts, and i will never do bussiness with you again.



And to all the people that read my post, thanks .



Alfredo

Just wanted to get a post in here before this gets locked.

I actualy will agree, that I also beleive once you have a buyer, you should stick with that buyer, after you exchange addresses, I beleive that is as good as a handshake, and if you can't follow through with a deal, you need to PM the buyer/seller immediatly and explain the situation in detail, apologize, and then mabey even contact an Admin. to inform them of the sitituation just so they relise that if anything has happened/will happen, you would prefer to keep your PRIVATE MESSAGES private,etc. Also, they won't be suprised when a thread like this comes up,etc.

I also beleive there needs to be a feedback forum, I'm sorta actualy uncomfortable that there isn't one. I relise a seller might have one veiw, and the buyer another, but still, there isn't one way to inform the forum that a seller/buyer is fraud,etc. Don't know think that this would help other buyers/sellers judgement? Or, instead of leaving a negative feedback,etc. Positive deals could just leave a kudo,etc in a member's profile. So the more kudos a member has, the more reliable. Instead of having a "negative" feedback, the member would just have a number of positive ones.

Originally Posted by TD2253

Hi Jodo,

We did not close the deal. I merely replied to him letting him know that I will sell it to him and to give me his shipping address so I can get a quote for shipping. Then he PM'd me and asked to lower the price to compensate for the shipping fees and to declare a lesser value for the merchandise (lesser customs fees) and then he will pay in three installments. I did not accept his terms and I said to forget the deal and that there is another potential local buyer interested in it. I did not sell the armor to the local buyer nor am I entertaining any other offers for it as I took the merchandise off the Cargo Hold. Now, after that he publicized everything on this thread instead of negotiating some more in private.

And I don't know why he picked me to do this to, but I was not the only one who did not accept his offer...is this other seller not as guilty as I am at least in Alfredo's perspective? Why am I being put on the chopping block here when all I did was try to be considerate and ignore my "no international shipping" rule in my ad to make someone else happy during the holidays? To me Alfredo was being ungrateful that I even considered his international offer to buy my merchandise.

And for what it's worth Alfredo...I am sorry and I apologize for what I did. I did not mean any dis-respect and I hope you can forgive me if I offended you in anyway.

Not taken sides here, but
I don't think he picked you in particular. From what I understand, it happened a few times to him, and I guess he made it public now, to make sort of a statement. It could have been anybody, it just happened that you at this point "refused to do a deal" which might have blown a fuse, that's why you kept getting mentioned.
As far as the installment payments are concerned, i read it, as if he wanted to split the entire amount in 3 payments(made at the same time) so in case customs get's a hold of one package, he has 3 different "invoices" payments to show, and I guess that's what the question aimed at, as to how many boxes it would be shipped in, cause, if he'd make one payment to you for let's say 3 boxes, and customs are holding all 3 boxes, he would have one payment to show for 3 boxes, so customs will say where is the payment for the other 2 boxes? They are kinda stupid when it comes to that. In other words, if you'd pack 3 boxes, you could have given him 3 invoices for each box, so he (alfredo) would have no trouble getting the items through customs, and he (alfredo) would have to agree to pay for paypal that incurred for the extra payments, just my thought on your "particular deal."

Hi Volkerc,

I understand the installment payment after he (Alfredo) explained it halfway through this thread. There are too many conditions on his part and had he not made this public, maybe I could meet at least one of those conditions like lowering the price to compensate for shipping but declare the merchandise for less than it's value I could not do as if something happens even if I get insurance for it, it would not compensate for my loss as I declared less for it. Had something unfortunate like that happened, Alfredo's payment would have been refunded and it would've been my loss. It's a big risk for me you understand.

Originally Posted by TD2253

It's a big risk for me you understand.

Of course I understand, and you don't have to justify it. I just think that speaking in general there should be some improvement made to make trading safer, because as you mentioned there is risks involved, but for both parties in a transaction(unfortunately). Like I said before, maybe something good comes out of this.

well well well....


I said that i was not going to post again , but i have to do it for two reasons:

1.-"I am sorry and I apologize for what I did. I did not mean any dis-respect and I hope you can forgive me if I offended you in anyway." . And all i can say is thanks. And i wish i could have bought the costume as i wanted at the beginning.

2.- Just to make clear that the discount that i asked you in shipping was because you did include shipping in the USA for the same price that i was going to buy it, therefore i though that it was fair to lower the internatinal shipping cost to compensate (you were going to pay for it if i wasin the USA right?)


Thanks

Alfredo