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    Dec 10, 2007, 12:27 AM - Re: Newer member names? #51

    Quote MandalorFett said: View Post
    Whoa, I didn't even know there was a whole Mando language that has been put together. That's pretty amazing. I thought there were just a word or two, I had no idea there was a whole vocabulary.
    Indeed there is. It's really quite the accomplishment. Mando'a gives the characters a lot of added depth. A lot can be done with language.

    Take Jabba the Hutt for example. He can understand basic just fine, and he could probably speak it if he wanted to. He just prefers not to. Why? Because it is a manifestation of his power. He thinks of Huttese as a "better" language than basic, putting himself above those he interacts with. His use of a translator is pure self-indulgence; something to display his wealth and hedonism. This is a facet of Hutt culture. The Hutts believe themselves to be a superior race, and often do hold more power, as is seen in various examples such as Jabba, Gardulla, Aarba, etc.

    Similarly, the Mandalorians think of themselves as better than other cultures. They refer to themselves as Mando'ade (Children of Mandalore), and everyone else as aruetiise (outsiders). Mandalorians have such a rich identity; they are defined by how well they maintain their culture. One of the resol nare (six actions) is to speak Mando'a. This is similar to how there are language laws in Quebec to maintain the French language. The Quebecois are incredibly passionate about keeping English influences from taking over the province, which must be extremely difficult for them being a part of a primarily Anglophone country. They have laws for building signage, radio and television programming, and even customer service saying both "Hello," and "Bonjour." I think they do a fine job of maintaining their culture, and despite their repeated attempts at separatism, value the inclusion of Quebec as a part of Canada.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 12:40 AM - Re: Newer member names? #52

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    So it's acceptable to costume as a character from a movie, but not a book? A person can't use their own creative license to design and build a suit of armour based on written description? Must they stick to accurately replicating a costume that was made for a movie rather than using their own imagination? Andy, I'm trying to see where you're coming from, but I really can't see things from your point of view. Don't get me wrong, I love to see a well-done Boba as much as the next guy, but characters from literature have their place too.

    - disclaimer. my view. not that of TDH or its staff. i'm just a guy with a keyboard -

    historically, this board has been about boba and jango more than anything.

    hence the "boba & jango fett elite costuming forums" subtitle.

    i don't think it's so much that folks actively have a problem with the world outside of that as it is that some people here are here just for that little tiny slice, and have no interest in anything beyond that.

    take me. i've checked out the mercs site. neat stuff, some really cool ideas, but just not my thing. i really only care about the original 3 movies, and sorta ROTS but not overly much.

    for me, it's about bringing to life this character from my childhood. i want to BE that character in every way when i'm at an event. that covers both posture and lines and minute details of the suit (i have had kids that are big fans comment on things like the darts on my gauntlet or my toe spikes)

    i find myself very grounded in the "real world" stuff... is this scratch right, is this the right part, when the actor raised the rifle, how did he shift his weight.

    i'm not as interested in the history and growth of the character boba fett as i am the collection of props, parts and acting that made up what was seen on screen.

    and to me, that's always been the difference between the hardcore boba folks vs. the customs.

    neither is better or worse, they are just sufficiently different that one side often has a hard time understanding the other.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 1:46 AM - Re: Newer member names? #53

    Thank you, Brian. That explains a good deal of what I was missing.

    I suppose I have a hard time understanding why people want to costume as Fett or clones, but then not learn anything about the Mandalorian culture. It's like an Obi-Wan costumer not wanting to learn about the Jedi order. It doesn't make sense to me in terms of portrayal of the character while trooping.

    However, when you brought up how your only real interest is in the original trilogy, and the desire to use the material that is seen on screen as opposed to an all-encompassing version of the character that would influence how you act when trooping, I could see where you were coming from a little clearer. It's not a point of view I share, but when you explained it like that, I can see that it works for you quite well. Again, thanks.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:05 AM - Re: Newer member names? #54

    Well most clones other than RCs and nulls the mando heritage really wasnt there. They werent trained by mandos and most of the encounters they had with them were in battle on opposite sides.

    And in Boba's case he couldnt even speak mando. So not caring about the EU aspect of him actually fits his personality pretty well.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:15 AM - Re: Newer member names? #55

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    And in Boba's case he couldnt even speak mando. So not caring about the EU aspect of him actually fits his personality pretty well.
    I thought Boba could understand some Mando'a. Remember in Episode 2 when jango told boba to close the door in another language? Wasn't that Mando'a?
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:30 AM - Re: Newer member names? #56

    Well, Boba was a reluctant Mandalorian. He fully embraced the combat and survival instincts that Jango instilled in him, and he certainly carried a great deal of respect for his father, but he did not want to interact with the other Mandalorians. Even though he later became Mandalore, I have a feeling it was more due to his reputation than his desire to lead. As for Mando'a, Boba probably knew a fair bit when he was a kid, but lost it over time. I mean, when I was 15 I could construct a whole paragraph in French, but now I would be lost if I tried to ask someone directions in Quebec. Boba regained some knowledge of Mando'a during the LOTF era, but was never really fluent in it.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:41 AM - Re: Newer member names? #57

    Quote silver fett said: View Post
    I thought Boba could understand some Mando'a. Remember in Episode 2 when jango told boba to close the door in another language? Wasn't that Mando'a?
    It was Huttese.

    Quote ShatirLavan said: View Post
    Well, Boba was a reluctant Mandalorian. He fully embraced the combat and survival instincts that Jango instilled in him, and he certainly carried a great deal of respect for his father, but he did not want to interact with the other Mandalorians. Even though he later became Mandalore, I have a feeling it was more due to his reputation than his desire to lead. As for Mando'a, Boba probably knew a fair bit when he was a kid, but lost it over time. I mean, when I was 15 I could construct a whole paragraph in French, but now I would be lost if I tried to ask someone directions in Quebec. Boba regained some knowledge of Mando'a during the LOTF era, but was never really fluent in it.
    I think it was more of a son's love for a father and a father given his offspring tools to survive in the wrold. He could of proably cared less if his father was mandalorian or not.

    And i remember reading him wanting to set his helmet translator to be able to translate mando for him. But +1 on your language comparison, i could understand some korean when i was younger and now iam totally lost.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:44 AM - Re: Newer member names? #58

    double
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:51 AM - Re: Newer member names? #59

    Quote RevolverOcelot said: View Post
    It was Huttese.
    Your right. I just looked it up in Boba Fetts book The Fight to Survive. And on page 28 it says they were speaking Huttese. I didnt know that.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 4:16 AM - Re: Newer member names? #60

    Guys, this bickering needs to stop. Cruzer wanted to know about board names, and the thread turned into hot air vent pretty quickly. This is why people are leaving the board. We're all here for costuming, whether it be movie or EU, so put your differences aside and grow up.

    Star Wars is not real, it is not worth arguing about.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 7:00 AM - Re: Newer member names? #61

    This thing with Karen I don't get. She's a writer, she's created a language and culture to aid in the writing of her stories. That's exactly what happened with Star Trek's Klingons. Okay.... everyone takes the osik* out of Klingon costumers, but Klingonese (as I'm told it's called, i don't speak it!) adds depth to the characters of Star Trek and Mando'a does the same for Mandalorians. What's wrong with that? It makes the world more 3 dimensional. And yes it's in Expanded Universe books and games as opposed to the films, does that make it any the less legit? It's still Lucas approved, shouldn't that be enough? I realise that there are people out there that don't want to learn i, that have no interest in it, it's your choice.

    As to Karen's head being too big and loving being worshipped! Grow up! Here's a reality check, the cult of celebrity IS all about being worshipped. Look at Tom Cruise, J K Rowling or any rock band, it's all about being seen and loved by people that enjoy what you do. If you get famous (even in the relatively small world of Star Wars novels (yes I know Karen has written more then just Star Wars, I own copies of them) then you enjoy being noticed. Hell even TDH's members are the same, with people posting images of themselves in this or that magazine, show or news article. Okay it's not the same scale but it IS the same thing.
    Early this year Karen was a guest at KOTE's Spaceport event in Liverpool. She was such a good guest we have invited her back for Spaceport 3 in a few months time. During the weekend long event she was not only friendly but very approachable, joining us for breakfast the second day and I hasten to add NOT being the centre of attention, simply being someone else at the table that enjoys a fantasy universe the same as the rest of us. Doesn't sound big headed to me.

    EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion on what they like or don't like. whether they are fans of the films, the original trilogy only, the whole Star Wars universe (EU included) or just certain areas of it. It doesn't make one type of fans superior to another. Don't forget, to the rest of the world, we are ALL weird and geekish.

    As already pointed out, it's not real. Why all the arguing?





    *sorry to use Mando'a. I tried to keep it in but it just popped out!
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    Dec 10, 2007, 2:11 PM - Re: Newer member names? #62

    Quote ShatirLavan said: View Post
    I suppose I have a hard time understanding why people want to costume as Fett or clones, but then not learn anything about the Mandalorian culture. It's like an Obi-Wan costumer not wanting to learn about the Jedi order. It doesn't make sense to me in terms of portrayal of the character while trooping.
    that, in my eyes, really sums up the disconnect that causes so many disputes.

    i on the other hand never really get when a bunch of jedi costumers get so engrossed in it that they call each other master and padawan, and get so engrossed in the backstory of it.

    i have a jedi costume, and i play the part for kids if i'm wearing it, but i'm no more in tune with the force than i am a llama

    i think its easy for both types of folks to co-exist, but we all need to remember the differences.

    the mando-fans out there gotta remember that the movie folk won't get it when they use words with lots of ks and apostrophes, and the move folks need to remember that there's more to life than just boba and jango.

    *GROUP HUG*
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    Dec 10, 2007, 3:14 PM - Re: Newer member names? #63

    From what I gather, there's no denying Travis great contributions to SW, whether EU or background to the films. While I have never concerned myself with Travis' work, I have the utmost respect for her efforts as I'm sure creating all of those stories and an entirely new fictional language is no easy task.

    Maybe some day I'll pick up one of her books, and will probably end up enjoying it thoroughly. But until then, I respect that others have already acquired an affection towards her work. For me to slander those who use Travis' fictional language for novelty purposes...is kinda like "the pot calling the kettle, black"...as I am guilty of going out in public in a SW costume.

    If anyone familar with Travis' works can suggest what book I might pick up first, please post the Title/s. They sound like some enjoyable reading for my son and I during our winter vacation.

    Thanks everyone for the healthy discussion and humorously playful back-and-forth in this thread.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 4:02 PM - Re: Newer member names? #64

    Quote Cruzer said:
    Maybe some day I'll pick up one of her books, and will probably end up enjoying it thoroughly. But until then, I respect that others have already acquired an affection towards her work. For me to slander those who use Travis' fictional language for novelty purposes...is kinda like "the pot calling the kettle, black"...as I am guilty of going out in public in a SW costume.
    Well said, Cruzer. There is no reason for this thread to have gone in some of the directions it did, but there was some rational and polite comments as well, showing that there is still hope for a mutual understanding of each others interests. We all dress up in costumes, go out in public, and have fun, and the public has fun too. That's what it's about. FUN. If you can't say something nice, or at least something constructive, get off the playground, 'cause you're a party pooper.

    As for a good starting point, if you're interested in the Republic Commando books, start with Hard Contact and go from there. There are some more "adult" stuff in the books, but really nothing that hasn't been in the movies, and the characters use Mando'a equivalents of bad words. Nothing too bad though. Not sure how old your son is, but it should be okay.

    I hope you and your son enjoy reading the books together if you decide to!
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    Dec 10, 2007, 7:29 PM - Re: Newer member names? #65

    I got a good laugh out of some of the initial comments that were made just out of pure fun and in the spirit of teasing each other. Needles to say in my wife's eyes...I'll always be just one big nerdy kid!

    Well, i just ordered the hardcover copy of Republic Commando: Hard Contact & Triple Zero from Amazon.com, so I look forward to having it in my hands in a few days. I prefer hardcovers over paperbacks so I couldn't resist. If the book's any good, I'll probably pick up the Bloodlines hardcover next...

    ...and only after reading that will I begin bombarding everyone's PM boxes with entire sentences consisting of nothing but Mando'a.(especially the PM boxes of all those Arizona/Nevada guys)

    Thanks for the recommendation, MandoMan.
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    Dec 10, 2007, 10:21 PM - Re: Newer member names? #66

    its prolly been said, but Mando'ade is beign used in the middle east by a sniper we all know...

    and rock on 7602!
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    Dec 11, 2007, 10:34 AM - Re: Newer member names? #67

    Brian, once again you're the voice of reason in a sea of chaos.

    Guys, they're just books and movies. No one's opinions are better than anyone else's. We ALL have opinions. Let's just try and remember that we're all allowed to express them but we all certainly do not have to agree with them.

    Like Brian said, this forum started out as an exclusive forum to discuss how to build the best BOBA FETT costume you could. Seeing how there were sufficient interest and overlap related to Boba from Jango fans.... that costume was included as well. Eventually as a favor to a friend, Zam was included as well. Now over the past few years there's been this influx of custom fans.

    Speaking as someone who's not entirely a fan of customs personally (here's that part about people's OPINIONS folks) I will not normally read threads that pertain to them. That doesn't mean I have to "dis" them or insult them, I will just normally not read them. I won't push my views down on custom costumers telling them they're wrong and they shouldn't waste their time on building "fake" costumes... that'd be ridiculous. In the same vein, fans of customs shouldn't go on a Boba and Jango forum and expect everyone to jump to their knees bowing down before them to accept them. You can't force someone to like something they aren't interested in.

    The short version of my long winded post is this... there's room for everyone... no one should feel they're better than anyone else and many of us here could stand to learn a little bit about RESPECT.

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