Newer member names?

Then if that's the case...why would you post what you did? I'm sure if she saw that she wouldn't appreciate it at all.

She actually uses mando'a quite a bit on her message group. She's very passionate about her characters, just like many Mandalorian costumers are passionate about their characters. Why people want to ridicule another for using a Star Wars language to describe their Star Wars costume, or even post on a Star Wars related forum is honestly beyond me.

These kinds of comments only alienate a part of the Star Wars costuming community that has as much right to do what they like as you do. If you don't like reading posts with mando'a in them, learn the language or browse over them. Otherwise it's going to fire up ALOT of people when they see posts such as these.
 
I'm not trying to start a flame war, you took the defensive too quickly.


These kinds of comments only alienate a part of the Star Wars costuming community that has as much right to do what they like as you do. If you don't like reading posts with mando'a in them, learn the language or browse over them.
Just because I don't pay much attention, or let alone study the EU doesn't make you any more of a costumer than I am. Costuming an reading books have nothing to do with one other.
 
I have met Karen Traviss several times in the past, as well as being her personal bodyguard for an hour at C4 because she didn't want to be alone for fear of a fan attacking her due to the Mara Jade fiasco. I have met, worked with, hung out, and have personal contact information to scores of other celebrities, and what I have learned in the past is that most celebrities want to be treated like normal human beings.

Karen Traviss is an extremely nice woman, she's just getting a TON of attention for a little language that seems to be taken way too seriously. If her work disappointed her fans, she would feel bad, but she's constantly been succeeding and from what I've seen, she enjoys the attention way too much.


Well I see we have the same things in common, ie. Bodyguards to the stars and having personal contact information to them.. But keep in mind there Fame is what WE thrust upon them. Also, Keep in mind George Lucas has given Karen the Rights to write these books.. No pressure there. And as for her enjoying it, How could you not when you have the greatest fans around coming up to you at conventions. And SW fans are the best. Just hang out with (I have) and ask Peter Mayhew, David Prowse or Duel with Ray Park for the fun of it (just to name a few). These people Love Us and show it. (Sorry Peter, David, Ray, to throw your name around.)
 
Just because I don't pay much attention, or let alone study the EU doesn't make you any more of a costumer than I am. Costuming an reading books have nothing to do with one other.


I beg to differ...

Kal Skirata
Waylon Vau
Vhonte Thervo
Ram Zerimar

These are all Mandalorian costumes that come from books. Unless you read them (the books), you don't really have any idea how to make them. I'd say the books and the costumes have alot to do with the other.

You said the magic sentence, knowing the EU and not knowing it doesn't make anyone less of a costumer then the other. I'm glad you realize that, because thats the exact point I'm trying to make.

Now, the reason I take the defensive on threads and posts like this is because people here don't realize that they hurt other's feelings with these kinds of posts. Luckily, I'm here to make sure that people know it is hurtful to others, and I will continue to make it known until everyone wakes up and sees it for themselves.
 
I beg to differ...

Kal Skirata
Waylon Vau
Vhonte Thervo
Ram Zerimar

These are all Mandalorian costumes that come from books. Unless you read them (the books), you don't really have any idea how to make them. I'd say the books and the costumes have alot to do with the other.

You said the magic sentence, knowing the EU and not knowing it doesn't make anyone less of a costumer then the other. I'm glad you realize that, because thats the exact point I'm trying to make.

Now, the reason I take the defensive on threads and posts like this is because people here don't realize that they hurt other's feelings with these kinds of posts. Luckily, I'm here to make sure that people know it is hurtful to others, and I will continue to make it known until everyone wakes up and sees it for themselves.

Nicely Said.
 
Now, the reason I take the defensive on threads and posts like this is because people here don't realize that they hurt other's feelings with these kinds of posts. Luckily, I'm here to make sure that people know it is hurtful to others, and I will continue to make it known until everyone wakes up and sees it for themselves.

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Whoa, I didn't even know there was a whole Mando language that has been put together. That's pretty amazing. I thought there were just a word or two, I had no idea there was a whole vocabulary.
 
Costuming an reading books have nothing to do with one other.


So it's acceptable to costume as a character from a movie, but not a book? A person can't use their own creative license to design and build a suit of armour based on written description? Must they stick to accurately replicating a costume that was made for a movie rather than using their own imagination? Andy, I'm trying to see where you're coming from, but I really can't see things from your point of view. Don't get me wrong, I love to see a well-done Boba as much as the next guy, but characters from literature have their place too.
 
Whoa, I didn't even know there was a whole Mando language that has been put together. That's pretty amazing. I thought there were just a word or two, I had no idea there was a whole vocabulary.

Indeed there is. It's really quite the accomplishment. Mando'a gives the characters a lot of added depth. A lot can be done with language.

Take Jabba the Hutt for example. He can understand basic just fine, and he could probably speak it if he wanted to. He just prefers not to. Why? Because it is a manifestation of his power. He thinks of Huttese as a "better" language than basic, putting himself above those he interacts with. His use of a translator is pure self-indulgence; something to display his wealth and hedonism. This is a facet of Hutt culture. The Hutts believe themselves to be a superior race, and often do hold more power, as is seen in various examples such as Jabba, Gardulla, Aarba, etc.

Similarly, the Mandalorians think of themselves as better than other cultures. They refer to themselves as Mando'ade (Children of Mandalore), and everyone else as aruetiise (outsiders). Mandalorians have such a rich identity; they are defined by how well they maintain their culture. One of the resol nare (six actions) is to speak Mando'a. This is similar to how there are language laws in Quebec to maintain the French language. The Quebecois are incredibly passionate about keeping English influences from taking over the province, which must be extremely difficult for them being a part of a primarily Anglophone country. They have laws for building signage, radio and television programming, and even customer service saying both "Hello," and "Bonjour." I think they do a fine job of maintaining their culture, and despite their repeated attempts at separatism, value the inclusion of Quebec as a part of Canada.
 
So it's acceptable to costume as a character from a movie, but not a book? A person can't use their own creative license to design and build a suit of armour based on written description? Must they stick to accurately replicating a costume that was made for a movie rather than using their own imagination? Andy, I'm trying to see where you're coming from, but I really can't see things from your point of view. Don't get me wrong, I love to see a well-done Boba as much as the next guy, but characters from literature have their place too.


- disclaimer. my view. not that of TDH or its staff. i'm just a guy with a keyboard -

historically, this board has been about boba and jango more than anything.

hence the "boba & jango fett elite costuming forums" subtitle.

i don't think it's so much that folks actively have a problem with the world outside of that as it is that some people here are here just for that little tiny slice, and have no interest in anything beyond that.

take me. i've checked out the mercs site. neat stuff, some really cool ideas, but just not my thing. i really only care about the original 3 movies, and sorta ROTS but not overly much.

for me, it's about bringing to life this character from my childhood. i want to BE that character in every way when i'm at an event. that covers both posture and lines and minute details of the suit (i have had kids that are big fans comment on things like the darts on my gauntlet or my toe spikes)

i find myself very grounded in the "real world" stuff... is this scratch right, is this the right part, when the actor raised the rifle, how did he shift his weight.

i'm not as interested in the history and growth of the character boba fett as i am the collection of props, parts and acting that made up what was seen on screen.

and to me, that's always been the difference between the hardcore boba folks vs. the customs.

neither is better or worse, they are just sufficiently different that one side often has a hard time understanding the other.
 
Thank you, Brian. That explains a good deal of what I was missing.

I suppose I have a hard time understanding why people want to costume as Fett or clones, but then not learn anything about the Mandalorian culture. It's like an Obi-Wan costumer not wanting to learn about the Jedi order. It doesn't make sense to me in terms of portrayal of the character while trooping.

However, when you brought up how your only real interest is in the original trilogy, and the desire to use the material that is seen on screen as opposed to an all-encompassing version of the character that would influence how you act when trooping, I could see where you were coming from a little clearer. It's not a point of view I share, but when you explained it like that, I can see that it works for you quite well. Again, thanks.
 
Well most clones other than RCs and nulls the mando heritage really wasnt there. They werent trained by mandos and most of the encounters they had with them were in battle on opposite sides.

And in Boba's case he couldnt even speak mando. So not caring about the EU aspect of him actually fits his personality pretty well.
 
Well, Boba was a reluctant Mandalorian. He fully embraced the combat and survival instincts that Jango instilled in him, and he certainly carried a great deal of respect for his father, but he did not want to interact with the other Mandalorians. Even though he later became Mandalore, I have a feeling it was more due to his reputation than his desire to lead. As for Mando'a, Boba probably knew a fair bit when he was a kid, but lost it over time. I mean, when I was 15 I could construct a whole paragraph in French, but now I would be lost if I tried to ask someone directions in Quebec. Boba regained some knowledge of Mando'a during the LOTF era, but was never really fluent in it.
 
I thought Boba could understand some Mando'a. Remember in Episode 2 when jango told boba to close the door in another language? Wasn't that Mando'a?

It was Huttese.

Well, Boba was a reluctant Mandalorian. He fully embraced the combat and survival instincts that Jango instilled in him, and he certainly carried a great deal of respect for his father, but he did not want to interact with the other Mandalorians. Even though he later became Mandalore, I have a feeling it was more due to his reputation than his desire to lead. As for Mando'a, Boba probably knew a fair bit when he was a kid, but lost it over time. I mean, when I was 15 I could construct a whole paragraph in French, but now I would be lost if I tried to ask someone directions in Quebec. Boba regained some knowledge of Mando'a during the LOTF era, but was never really fluent in it.

I think it was more of a son's love for a father and a father given his offspring tools to survive in the wrold. He could of proably cared less if his father was mandalorian or not.

And i remember reading him wanting to set his helmet translator to be able to translate mando for him. But +1 on your language comparison, i could understand some korean when i was younger and now iam totally lost.
 
Guys, this bickering needs to stop. Cruzer wanted to know about board names, and the thread turned into hot air vent pretty quickly. This is why people are leaving the board. We're all here for costuming, whether it be movie or EU, so put your differences aside and grow up.

Star Wars is not real, it is not worth arguing about.
 
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