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Maul vs. Vader

  1. #76
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    this month in star wars magazine they had an interesting duel. they pitted Dooku against Maul and broke down all the stats. the final outcome :




    Dooku would have no problem extinguishing maul's life flame. they said maul was nothing but an animal who wanted nothing but physical prowess. Dooku's extreme knowledge of the force would be no match for maul.

    so......ipso facto. maul would stand absolutely no chance against vader.

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    i say maul because of agility

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    All the agility in the world wouldn't help Maul against Vader if he used the Force. He could easily beat him with that alone.

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    I vote Vader. If Maul was better, a padawan wouldn't have beaten him. =P

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    Luke = Worst Jedi Ever
    Vader = Worst Sith Ever

    I still say Darth Maul.

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    I don't think you can judge a person's skill based on WHO he beat... Chuck Liddell is a great fighter and he continuously beats Tito Ortiz who also is a great fighter... but Chuck has also been knocked out by no name fighters... Justifys nothing.

    Maul was able to take on both Obi wan and Qui Gon... yes he was killed by a padawan but if Maul wasn't so cocky in that scene he would have wasted him right there. He had him beat, his own cockyness got him killed (which was a really lame way to end a great sith in that movie hahaha).

    I can agree, Vader would most certainly give Maul a hard time with the force, but Maul isn't useless with it either... I think he has a strong enough knowledge in it to not allow himself to simply get choked to death...Vader was becoming weaker, he was loosing his hatred... Maul was very focused. And we all know Maul was significantly superior with a lightsaber. I think the only force thing a sith can use against another sith/jedi effectively is force lightning... which Vader can't do (boohoo mechanical arms) haha.

    So it also depends on when they fight. Maul was still only an apprentice himself... yet he killed a master. Maul was powerful and had much to learn. Given the same amount of time Vader had to become as powerful as he was... I think Maul would crush him.

    The idea itself is kind of silly but there are so many things that people can take into consideration.

    El1te

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    usmcrice0311 said: View Post
    ....Palpatine gave up his identity as the Sith Lord to get Anakin as his apprentice. The only time Palpatine tried to replace Vader was in ROTJ. And that was because up until then there had been no force sensitive who was more powerful than vader. Vader was the most powerful force sensitive ever created, he wasn't even born he was created by the force. The only reason he lost his power was because when he lost his limbs he lost all of the midichlorians that were in his blood. and even still there was no jedi who could defeat him except his own son.

    Just because you dont like Hayden christensen's portayal of Darth Vader dont forget was the character truly was.
    Palpatine has Mara Jade as well, the argument could be made that she was being groomed to replace Vader.

    But the argument is Vader vs Maul. Yes Maul has agility, and martial arts, and I would assume is competent with use of the Force though he doesn't rely mainly on it. Vader has had to change everything, including his fighting style to adjust for his new body, which states limits him to vertical and horizontal powerful attacks. his use of the Force is still powerful enough to me more than a match for almost anyone. The fight would be tough. I too, assume Maul could get out of a force choke, but Vader would also use the force to hurl objects about, and probably Maul himself. But at lightsaber distance, Vader would be hard pressed to keep up with Mauls' speed, cue to his glitchy mechanical leg and his limbs simply not being as nimble as they once were, added to this if Maul manages to hit Vader with electricity of any decent power, be it Force Lightning or other, Vader is simply done. His suit would short and simply be unable to sustain his life for more than an hour, so after that attack Vader would be forced to choose between fight hard and try to kill Maul and THEN get to his hyperbaric chamber, or simply try to retreat there and continue the battle at another time. However, I think Vader has more than enough hate in him to carry the fight on and use it to kill Maul, even though it may ultimately end in his own demise. Maul was arrgogant and simply thought he was the better opponent, which blinded him to Obi-Wan's killing blow, Vader really WAS that good and it was his opponents underestimating him that earned him plenty of kills that he otherwise may not have gotten.

    Or a simpler way look at the record.

    Maul - 1 jedi kill (3 if you count the jedi and padawan in Shadow Hunter)
    Vader - Almost the entire jedi order. (and more if you read the books)

    Vader obviously wins.

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    rock beats scissors, scissors cut paper, paper covers rock! nuff said! LOL!

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    woodman said: View Post
    rock beats scissors, scissors cut paper, paper covers rock! nuff said! LOL!
    hahaha I can agree with that.

    El1te

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    TehEl1te said: View Post
    I don't think you can judge a person's skill based on WHO he beat... Chuck Liddell is a great fighter and he continuously beats Tito Ortiz who also is a great fighter... but Chuck has also been knocked out by no name fighters... Justifys nothing.

    Maul was able to take on both Obi wan and Qui Gon... yes he was killed by a padawan but if Maul wasn't so cocky in that scene he would have wasted him right there. He had him beat, his own cockyness got him killed (which was a really lame way to end a great sith in that movie hahaha).

    I can agree, Vader would most certainly give Maul a hard time with the force, but Maul isn't useless with it either... I think he has a strong enough knowledge in it to not allow himself to simply get choked to death...Vader was becoming weaker, he was loosing his hatred... Maul was very focused. And we all know Maul was significantly superior with a lightsaber. I think the only force thing a sith can use against another sith/jedi effectively is force lightning... which Vader can't do (boohoo mechanical arms) haha.

    So it also depends on when they fight. Maul was still only an apprentice himself... yet he killed a master. Maul was powerful and had much to learn. Given the same amount of time Vader had to become as powerful as he was... I think Maul would crush him.

    The idea itself is kind of silly but there are so many things that people can take into consideration.

    El1te
    You said it. I was just about to say that I think everyone forgets that Maul was still only an apprentice when he met Obi-Wan and his powers would only have gotten better with time.

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    ChaosHelljumper said: View Post
    Luke = Worst Jedi Ever
    Vader = Worst Sith Ever

    I still say Darth Maul.

    yeah you're right. the jedi who restored the entire jedi order to power was the worst jedi ever. and the sith lord who single handedly destroyed the previous jedi order was the worst sith lord ever.

    go back to watching Saturday morning cartoons kid

    ChaosHelljumper said: View Post
    You said it. I was just about to say that I think everyone forgets that Maul was still only an apprentice when he met Obi-Wan and his powers would only have gotten better with time.
    Maul was a sith lord when he fought Obi-wan. again, maybe you should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place

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    Maul vs. Vader


    I'll abide by the Dark Horse story because Darth Vader did infact have a deeper, more profound hatred to channel the Dark Side of the Force through than the young Darth Maul could hope to draw upon.

    The most powerful Sith is open subject to debate. Lightsabre skills alone do not make the Sith. The measure of a true Dark Lord comes from a combination of the individual's ablity to channel the Dark Side of the Force, and knowledge applied with cunning.

    For instance, where Darth Vader can be attributed to mopping up the remnants of the Jedi Order of the Republic, Darth Bane is credited with destroying the Brotherhood of Darkness and thus reestablishing the Sith Order.

    Be well.
    Thomas

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    and THAT is a whole different issue... ... ...BANE FTW!!!

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    usmcrice0311 said: View Post
    yeah you're right. the jedi who restored the entire jedi order to power was the worst jedi ever. and the sith lord who single handedly destroyed the previous jedi order was the worst sith lord ever.

    go back to watching Saturday morning cartoons kid



    Maul was a sith lord when he fought Obi-wan. again, maybe you should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place
    Palpatine even says in Episode 1 that he is sending his APPRENTICE Darth Maul to find the Neimodian's lost ship. So yes Maul still had things to learn of the force. So maybe YOU should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place and calling people names. This can be a friendly debate without people like you so maybe you should be quiet now.

    And no I am not a kid. I just don't really care for Luke or Vader is all. I am welcome to my opinion just as you are welcome to yours. That is all that anyone is stating in this thread. Vader and Maul were from two different times so they would never have fought in the Star Wars Universe. It doesn't matter who would have won in a fight. All anyone is stating is who they like better. I happen to like Darth Maul. And for clarification when Maul fought Vader that was in a comic book that does not take place in the canon universe so the results of that fight shouldn't count just as the results of Maul's second fight with Obi-Wan isn't canon and again shouldn't count.

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    They actually divided up canon into the folowing categories...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

    " G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.

    T-canon[1] refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee[2].

    C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.

    S-canon is secondary canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.

    N-canon is non-canon. "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. A significant amount of material that was previously C-canon was rendered N-canon by the release of Episodes I-III."

    so on some level, comics are canon, but you'll always get those who refuse to acknowledge anything but the movies as canon.

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    mandosoldier said: View Post
    They actually divided up canon into the folowing categories...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

    " G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.

    T-canon[1] refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee[2].

    C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.

    S-canon is secondary canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.

    N-canon is non-canon. "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. A significant amount of material that was previously C-canon was rendered N-canon by the release of Episodes I-III."

    so on some level, comics are canon, but you'll always get those who refuse to acknowledge anything but the movies as canon.

    After going back and re-reading my previous post I see I wasn't too clear about what I was saying about the comics. I read a lot of the Star Wars comics and enjoy them a lot. I didn't mean for it to sound like ALL Star Wars comics weren't canon. I just didn't believe the two in question were canon. mandosoldier thank you for the canon breakdown. I think those two would fall under N-canon wouldn't they?

    So, after saying that...

    Yes, most comics are canon and some are done very well. I believe that the two regarding Maul that have been previously discussed would fall under the N-cannon. Maybe I am wrong there, that was just my interpretation of where they would fall under the canon tree. I would say the one where Maul takes on Black Sun definitley falls into the C-canon realm.
    Last edited by ChaosHelljumper; May 13, 2009 at 11:34 AM.

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    You know, Maul vs. Vader is not as interesting as Maul vs. Count Dooku. Maul is too simple and easy for Vader in my opinion. I think Dooku would be a FAR tougher adversary than Maul. New poll, anyone?

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    cool ness factor Maul all the way. in a fight Vader he was force talented

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    ChaosHelljumper said: View Post
    Palpatine even says in Episode 1 that he is sending his APPRENTICE Darth Maul to find the Neimodian's lost ship. So yes Maul still had things to learn of the force. So maybe YOU should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place and calling people names. This can be a friendly debate without people like you so maybe you should be quiet now.

    And no I am not a kid. I just don't really care for Luke or Vader is all. I am welcome to my opinion just as you are welcome to yours. That is all that anyone is stating in this thread. Vader and Maul were from two different times so they would never have fought in the Star Wars Universe. It doesn't matter who would have won in a fight. All anyone is stating is who they like better. I happen to like Darth Maul. And for clarification when Maul fought Vader that was in a comic book that does not take place in the canon universe so the results of that fight shouldn't count just as the results of Maul's second fight with Obi-Wan isn't canon and again shouldn't count.
    just because he is an apprentice doesnt mean he isnt a Sith Lord. maybe you should learn a little bit. just because one sith is the master and one is the apprentice they can both be sith lords. Maul became a sith lord after his Outer Rim Trials.

    and this thread isnt about who you like better, the question at debate is "WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT"

    Flettch said: View Post
    You know, Maul vs. Vader is not as interesting as Maul vs. Count Dooku. Maul is too simple and easy for Vader in my opinion. I think Dooku would be a FAR tougher adversary than Maul. New poll, anyone?
    star wars magazine had this fight in their most recent issue and came to the conclusion that dooku would wipe the floor with maul

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    star wars magazine had this fight in their most recent issue and came to the conclusion that dooku would wipe the floor with maul
    they said Dooku would win due to his knowledge of the force. And yes then Dooku would win, however I doubt Maul would give him a chance to simply stand around and throw lightning etc... And in saber skills, Maul has Dooku beat. Dooku as described in Labryinth of Evil, prized style over everything, he believed in looking good while dueling. Maul fought simply to get the job done and was quite viscious about it. In a straight saber duel, Maul wins IMO.

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    I can't believe some of the blasphemy I'm reading in this thread.
    Maul was ruthless and terrifying, but Vader was the most powerful Jedi/Sith who ever lived. Period.
    Shame on any of you who say otherwise.






    .
    Wait wait wait...remember now....Vader was not even a Master yet...i.e no lightning (BTW i Love Vader, cried as a kid when he died)
    Vader COULD have been the greatest Sith/Jedi ever but it didn't happen.
    Yes Darth Maul was hella ****** but again no Master by far...
    Hand down Sith Master Darth Bane would have and did defeat many MASTER Jedi and Sith alike.
    Both Darth Vader and Darth Maul together could not defeat Master Darth Bane

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    Syper said: View Post
    Wait wait wait...remember now....Vader was not even a Master yet...i.e no lightning
    Force Lightening is far from Mastery of the Force. Vader more than had the skills to do it. However, unlike Force Lifts, Throws, Grabs, Chokes etc., where the limb is used as a concentration technique (it's not neccessary to do the mannuever), Force Lightening is a manifestation of the Force using the limb as a conduit. It can ONLY be done by conducting it through the arm and out the fingers. It's been explained that Vader could not do it because of his cybernetic arms, not because he couldn't master the technique. Maul never used it because he never cared to learn to do it.

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    Force Lightening is far from Mastery of the Force.
    Good point got it!

    A'den Skirata said: View Post
    Vader more than had the skills to do it.
    Where are you getting this from...Vader was never as Powerful as you think he was. Vader was only the second Sith lord known at the time...infact I could make the argument that he didn't do anything that Darth Maul couldn't do...and Darth Maul would have surpass Vader's Force shills because he didn't have any cybernetic limbs limitating his Mastery of the Force

    A'den Skirata said: View Post
    Force Lightening is a manifestation of the Force using the limb as a conduit. It can ONLY be done by conducting it through the arm and out the fingers. It's been explained that Vader could not do it because of his cybernetic arms, not because he couldn't master the technique.
    I could fly if i had wings...BUT I DON'T lol
    Your point is proving my point perfictly....Anakin would have been hands down the most powerful Sith/Jedi ever but Darth Vader because hes more machine then man could never be a True Sith Master...just a Sith Master by default if anything ever happen to the emperor...

    In Star Wars - Legacy of the Force, a Dark Lady of the Sith named Lumiya explains to Darth Caedus(son of Han and Leia Solo) that she cannot and never will be a Master of the force because of her own cybernetic limitations...Luke had cut off her arms and legs long ago...she went on to teach and pass down all of her force skills to Darth Caedus always knowing her place, with the only goal of helping Darth Caedus become a Sith Master because she could not...just like Vader..

    Again at his full potential Anakin Skywalker could defeat Darth Bane but Darth Bane if he was around at the time would Laugh at Darth Vader then crush him just like all the others...

    First love Sith Lords, All Fett now
    Would love to see somekimd of Mandalorian Sith Lord.....

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    Anakin threw lightning as a kid in Rogue Planet, ( I know I know, I'm using evil EU) so he had the skill, but again as Vader he can't afford to do it as it would short out his suit and kill himself, which is why he died in ROTJ, cause Palpatine just fried his suit while Vader held him above his head. It couldn't have been the lightning itself cause Luke got it far worse than Vader did. Maul simply did not use the Force, unless it was to hurl objects about or the random force push. His proficiency level is unknown, however I'm betting it wasn't on the level of Vader otherwise he would have put up more of a fight against Obi-Wan.

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    usmcrice0311 said: View Post
    just because he is an apprentice doesnt mean he isnt a Sith Lord. maybe you should learn a little bit. just because one sith is the master and one is the apprentice they can both be sith lords. Maul became a sith lord after his Outer Rim Trials.

    and this thread isnt about who you like better, the question at debate is "WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT"



    star wars magazine had this fight in their most recent issue and came to the conclusion that dooku would wipe the floor with maul
    I never said Maul wasn't a Sith Lord. I just said he was techniquely an apprentice and still had much he could have learned and gotten better.
    And this is about who you like better. This is all opinion about two fictional characters that never met in the fictional world of Star Wars and who would win in a fight thus this is all opinion. And I don't think Star Wars Insider is the end all when it comes to Star Wars. That magazine is printed by Titan Publishing and they make their own articles. If they think Dooku would beat Maul again that is their opinion. The two never met. And I still have the opinion that Maul would beat Dooku and Vader. No matter what you say you are not going to change that opinion.

    As far as Bane goes I have not read those books yet but from what I hear he was a pretty tough Sith so I will take the word of those who have read the books that he was possibly the toughest Sith ever. He seems kinda cool unlike a certain asmatic clunky sith.

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