View Poll Results: Darth Maul vs. Darth Vader - If It Could Have Happened, Who Would Win?

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  1. asok's Avatar
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    May 3, 2009, 2:42 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #26

    Quote MADDMUDDER said: View Post
    all i'm sayin is this,

    Vader always had a hidden agenda, he wanted his son.
    Vader always had the sliver of good in him,

    Maul is 100% pure evil. no good anywhere in him. He would have killed himself to prove his loyalty to the dark side and his master. Vader chose his son over the darkside. He was weak and he died for it.
    I still in my humble opinion say MAUL would win.

    Good points. I think to get Vader to try harder, tell him that Maul is will kill the love of Vader's life if he loses.
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    May 3, 2009, 6:25 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #27

    Quote MADDMUDDER said: View Post
    all i'm sayin is this,

    Vader always had a hidden agenda, he wanted his son.
    Vader always had the sliver of good in him,

    Maul is 100% pure evil. no good anywhere in him. He would have killed himself to prove his loyalty to the dark side and his master. Vader chose his son over the darkside. He was weak and he died for it.
    I still in my humble opinion say MAUL would win.
    One of the biggest points that Star Wars makes is that good is ultimately stronger than evil. Vader choosing to save his son at the cost of his own life shows that he possesses a will and power that Maul cannot even fathom.
    Maul being 100% pure evil and souless is the very reason he could never win. Just my opinion.
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    May 3, 2009, 6:44 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #28

    compelling point however..... i got nothing i will reflect upon this new pov and return later
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    May 3, 2009, 6:47 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #29

    Quote oneone1111 said: View Post
    One of the biggest points that Star Wars makes is that good is ultimately stronger than evil. Vader choosing to save his son at the cost of his own life shows that he possesses a will and power that Maul cannot even fathom.
    Maul being 100% pure evil and souless is the very reason he could never win. Just my opinion.
    That is a REALLY REALLY good point...
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    May 3, 2009, 6:53 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #30

    "GOOD IS DUMB" .....Spaceballs

    Now it is because Maul is evil that I Believe he would win. He would cheat and stop at nothing. He has one goal to stop his target at all costs. In the end when vader is broken and crushed and crawling Maul would behead him and take his saber.
    AHHHHHH glad I took a moment to reflect upon this.
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    May 3, 2009, 7:14 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #31

    Maul has little reason to hate and little ambition. Which are weaknesses by Sith standards. Maul was quite happy being the number two. Vader beats him here on both counts.

    Plus, Vader was still one of the best swordsmen around. 70's production aside, if Lucasfilms wanted to have an armoured Vader in a rockin' saber fight today, they'd use CGI.

    Vader, man. Vader. Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true...
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    May 3, 2009, 7:43 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #32

    You can't use the force on me lol.

    Vader's outfit is cumbersom and generally not condusive for melee. And I don't believe Maul was happy being #2 he just was not ready to kill his Master.
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    May 3, 2009, 8:15 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #33

    Quote oneone1111 said: View Post
    One of the biggest points that Star Wars makes is that good is ultimately stronger than evil. Vader choosing to save his son at the cost of his own life shows that he possesses a will and power that Maul cannot even fathom.
    Maul being 100% pure evil and souless is the very reason he could never win. Just my opinion.
    That is correct and incorrect. The point of good v.s. evil in Star Wars is that the evil path is faster than the good path. In the end, the good side will be more powerful, but a sith can become VERY powerful VERY quickly. It takes a Jedi A LOT longer to surpass a Sith's strength. Remember now, even Yoda couldn't defeat Palpatine. I really don't know if that tiny tiny .0001% of good left in Vader would really make a big difference.

    If it was a lightsaber battle, Maul would win, but in a full out lightsaber and force battle, Vader would win .
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    May 3, 2009, 8:45 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #34

    Here's the thing previously stated in the thread maul removed one of vaders arms(pauses for applause) now vader's 1 good arm must be used to defend himself. Now being a cyborg and not being able to channel lightning this greatly decreases his ability to go on any offensive attack. Once Maul is on the attack all you can do is defend. he is a master of the double blade. obi-wan defeated anakin. then trained luke who lets face it luke may be the rage in the books and by the way fell to the dark side. But he almost went to the darkside fighting and defeating vader. Now again for anyone who may have missed it in my pre. post... When vader battles with his saber he focuses 95% on saber and only 5 % on force throws. I believe that Maul and vader would duel with minimal force.

    Now being that both were defeated by jedi. you have to look at combat.
    Maul fought 2 jedi with 2 different fighting styles and not only held his own but defeated 1 rather quickly by seperating the two from eachother.

    Vader got beaten by im sorry anakin got beaten by obi-wan and left for dead. Now I love obi-wan but it goes to show GOOD IS DUMB. He should have finished the job. Left for dead and dead are very different things.

    Back to vader, Vader got beheaded in the swamps of dagobah by a truely untrained jedi. Then again he got Pwned by luke again.

    It is my belief that yes GOOD tho DUMB is stronger in the end but..... Maul was before vader so in a scense he was badder than vader more highly trained than vader and would not have any emotional garbage about finding his twin childeren................. Pure Evil trumps emotional lightside thoughts
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    May 3, 2009, 8:49 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #35

    i dont understand why people think Vader's suit is so debilitating. because when they shot the OT they wanted a big buy in a big suit to have that "size factor" ??? Vader was the most powerful jedi who ever lived. If you have read into the EU at all you would know that Vader could do some major damage in a saber duel. he didnt move around like Frankenstein people. he was fast, he could do front flips and back flips, size means nothing. come on....


    “Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”


    Maul was never and would never be any match for Vader.
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    May 3, 2009, 8:59 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #36

    have you ever worn a vader suit you cant lift your arms I love vader also but he would DIE
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    May 3, 2009, 9:06 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #37

    Quote MADDMUDDER said: View Post
    Here's the thing previously stated in the thread maul removed one of vaders arms(pauses for applause) now vader's 1 good arm must be used to defend himself. Now being a cyborg and not being able to channel lightning this greatly decreases his ability to go on any offensive attack. Once Maul is on the attack all you can do is defend. he is a master of the double blade. obi-wan defeated anakin. then trained luke who lets face it luke may be the rage in the books and by the way fell to the dark side. But he almost went to the darkside fighting and defeating vader. Now again for anyone who may have missed it in my pre. post... When vader battles with his saber he focuses 95% on saber and only 5 % on force throws. I believe that Maul and vader would duel with minimal force.
    This is simply not true. When Maul was trained he refused to follow the traditional path of the Sith Lords. He wanted nothing but pure physical
    skills. The traditional path of the Sith is to defeat their opponents not only physically but mentally as well. This is where Maul would fail against Vader NUMERO UNO

    Now being that both were defeated by jedi. you have to look at combat.
    Maul fought 2 jedi with 2 different fighting styles and not only held his own but defeated 1 rather quickly by seperating the two from eachother.
    Qui-gon failed because he was too confident in his own ability. he was known as the MAVERICK JEDI you know. If he would have stayed on the defense until Obi was able to help him they would have easily defeated Maul.

    Vader got beaten by im sorry anakin got beaten by obi-wan and left for dead. Now I love obi-wan but it goes to show GOOD IS DUMB. He should have finished the job. Left for dead and dead are very different things.
    Anakin was Obi-wan's best friend and his brother. The entire battle on Mustafar Obi was on the defense, not wanting to hurt Anakin. Id like to see you strike your brother down in cold blood..... not likely

    Back to vader, Vader got beheaded in the swamps of dagobah by a truely untrained jedi. Then again he got Pwned by luke again.
    a spectral image... im not even going to bother arguing that comment

    It is my belief that yes GOOD tho DUMB is stronger in the end but..... Maul was before vader so in a scense he was badder than vader more highly trained than vader and would not have any emotional garbage about finding his twin childeren................. Pure Evil trumps emotional lightside thoughts

    Maul was nothing but a child trained to be an apprentice. Darth Vader was created by the force. He was the most powerful jedi / Sith Lord EVER. There is no arguing that, its pure Star Wars fact. Maul was only focused on using physical skills to defeat and destroy his enemy.

    "Maul had been an animal. A skilled animal, but a beast nonetheless." - Darth Tyranus.

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    May 3, 2009, 9:06 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #38

    Quote MADDMUDDER said: View Post
    have you ever worn a vader suit you cant lift your arms I love vader also but he would DIE
    im not the most powerful sith lord ever either
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    May 3, 2009, 9:25 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #39

    exar kun is the most powerful sith ever read the books on that i will get the titles and pm you them. second if obi-wan would have finished the job the first time vader never would have been. Third your right spectral image i was reaching LOL
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    May 3, 2009, 10:54 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #41

    i don"t own a Vader suit but, I've had the priveldge of wearing one once. I had much more mobility in it than in my mando which is armored between and boba and jango. Look at what the clones can do in the in the movies, comics, tv show and even the action figures. A poor soul in a set of clone armor can hardly sit and breath comfortably.

    real world wearability of our costumes has nothing to do with the unfathomable physics of the Star Wars Universe.

    There's nothing I've seen or read about Maul and Vader that lead me to believe that Maul could defeat Vader.

    Again, I will concede that Maul was better, faster and more manuverable than Vader and that would be an advantage if they were non-force using sword combatants. However, Force lightening aside, Vader was a powrful forceuser. Emensly more so than Maul even could be or desired to be.

    Maul was simply the best of what was available at the time for Palpatines apprentice. He was honestly more of a Hand than a Sith Lord and as cool as he looked and fought, he wasn't really that cool of a character on the level of A/The Sith Lord. In fact, nothing about him ever led me to believe he had the ability to be The Sith Lord.

    Vader had the potential to be the strongest Force user in the SWU but, his potential was never fully realized because of his damaged body. However, he had pure physical strength, greatly enhanced by his cybernetics, he was adept in the force to a great degree. Who cares if you can't shoot lightening from your finger tips that can be deflected/absorbed by a lightsaber or palm of a hand? Just use your superior force abilities to seize them, not even a throat crush per say. Just seize their body and not permit them to control it. Vader had and demonstrated that ability against many other force users. Although Vader's damaged body lacked the pur speed and skill he possessed as Anakin, he learned new techniques, generally relying on pure force and wanton disregard for self. He used his strength, size and power to overwhelm his enemies. Not to mention, he was willing to sacrifice damage to the cybernetic bodies to destroy his enemies, as was seen in the one shot comic where he took out a nest of Jedi trying to destroy him (Purge).

    Maul is a force of nature but Vader was an unstoppable force of nature.

    The scenario could go down multiple ways. Ultimatly, Vader would sense Maul coming and his intentions long before Maul was in any position to strike. Vader would likely let his over confidence rule him and bit and would likely attempt to best Maul with the Saber. However good as Maul was, Vader was too good for Maul to land a killing blow right off the bat. Vader eventually would become enraged enough to just seize Maul with the force and squeeze him to the size of a grape.

    Endex = Vader pwns Maul
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    May 4, 2009, 12:53 AM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #42

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    You SO arent helping the matter...

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    May 4, 2009, 6:15 AM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #43

    ok that pic is to funny
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    May 4, 2009, 10:53 AM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #44

    hey ,maul did kill a jedi, a jedi master at that. as he fought 2 jedi at the same time. so 1 out of 2 ain't bad. no ,he was not a sith lord ,maybe he was still in training.

    that being said ,vader would make maul his (insert dirty word here).
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    May 4, 2009, 5:38 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #45

    read shadow hunter maul would destroy vader. and in follow up to my exar kun comment. Jedi academy is the run that cover and supports that kun is the baddest sith ever.

    BUT..... I respect all of your oppinions I just disagree.
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    May 4, 2009, 8:18 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #46

    Exar Kun, Darth Bain, Darth Nihillis...I'd take any of em over Vader...he may have mastery of the force, but that doesnt count so much if the other guy can just resist yer attacks then hack you to pieces with a saber...

    I'm with madmudder; i can respect all other opinions, just not agreeing with em.
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    May 4, 2009, 8:39 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #47

    ok i got to say some things. you killed a jedi master maul good job...one..one... id like to point out that vader, thats right vader B slapped like 8 jedi on his own, his own! maul has no chance. yeah so maul is faster,stronger, hades no! read vader's bio hes cybornetics increases his strength so any blow that maul tries to block would be like an elephant being thrown at you and only your hands to block you, that and vader is the chosen one he owns in the force, also for those who say his suit is combersome for him to move in,your right, but the bio also states that he has designed his own form of fighting to specifically compensate for that.vader wins, hands down. no animosity towards anyone i just feel that some of vader's fine points have been excluded
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    May 4, 2009, 10:51 PM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #48

    i would just like to point out that in the EU Maul is brought back twice. Once to hunt down Obi-wan and again to fight Vader. Outcome: Maul gets pwned in both fights. Im sorry to say but Maul is no match for a true Master of the force.
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    May 5, 2009, 9:16 AM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #49

    I do recall vader had to create his own fighting style to accomidate his armor. However........Vader got pwnd by luke come on people luke was lesser a jedi than most and he was not created by the force he was born to only 1 jedi and a meer mortal. I just dont see how "THE CHOSSEN ONE" could get skooled by LUKE. Thats like a youngling defeating Master windu.

    Lets just tally up the votes:
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    I will start the pole today MAY 5th and keep the pole open until May 7 8:00am
    Rules: You can only PM me 1 time and must state either Vader or Maul and the word Winner.

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    May 5, 2009, 10:25 AM - Re: Maul vs. Vader #50

    When it comes to agility, Maul is the best.

    Vader being "Vader" all mechanical, can't properly duel with a lightsaber, he would loose, but why duel when you can kill your opponet at distance?

    Vader is stronger in the Force, he doesn't NEED to maneuver that much to stop Maul's attacks, and then he would simply choke him with the Force, is that simple.

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