Maul vs. Vader

If it was ever to happen who would win and why?

Maul...cuz he BAAAADDD!!!!!

cader... cause he got the voice and the scars to show for a good fight. maul is just kid with a stick

Originally Posted by Creon

cader... cause he got the voice and the scars to show for a good fight. maul is just kid with a stick

A TWO SIDED ARSE KICKIN STICK!!!!!

Vader, no question. Just strangle the dude.

as much as I hate to say it maul would probably win. do you remember when luke went into the cave and faced vader during his training?.....well anikan had to go through similar training. and in his trials he faced darth maul. vader is teriffied of maul because of the trama he faced as a child witnessing the death of (Qui-Gon- not sure on spelling).

Vader DID win. In "Resurrection".

thats true but that was only the imaginary maul. either way vader is and will always be the sh#@

The STAR WARS TALES issue was the be-all-end-all for the Vader vs Maul question.

based on fighting styles, maul would win. Vader is to slow and immobile. And maul rocks...

maul is without a doubt the better melee combatant. however, his power and control with the force are leaps and bounds beneath vaders. IF maul could find a way to negate vader's force abilities or could manage a sneak attack, he'd pwn vader. however, withouut that ability, vader pwn's maul through shear ferocity and force ability. i see vader grasping and holding maul, perhaps even asking him to be his apprentice. however when the loyal maul declines, vader simaltaneously hacks him apart and force snaps his neck.

This was already answered. Vader won even when Maul was using Jar'Kai style.

Vader may be stronger with the force. and obi-wan did defeat maul and anakin. but i still have to go with the sheer combat style. I think maul could win. There is more to maul than what we saw. Vader is much to machine to do any serious manuvering. and without his choke it would be interesting. Vader never used his choke when he fought with his saber.

So the question remains would he win in a saber duel with maul?

saber to saber, maul would win.

to be honest as much as i love Vader his chest armor would restrict him from proper double blade saber...so id say ANH ESB ROTJ Vader vs Maul...... Maul wins .....but if it could be Pre Armor Vader i say Vader would beat him

this discussion reminds me of Deadliest Warrior on Spike TV wouldn't it be cool If the did a Star Wars Special

this reminds me heh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiWyTsMLxbo

The Vader of the movies was a product of the 70's more than a representation of his real abilities. He was a big heavy guy in a big heavy suit.
Maul was the product of a more sophisticated audience's expectations. Fast and mobile.
As great as Maul's saber skills were, could he have beaten Yoda? Think about it. Vader took out Palpatine, a feat even Yoda couldn't accomplish. It was only his arrogance that allowed Obi Wan to beat him.
I think of Vader being sort of like he was in the Force Unleashed game. ( not the best game, I know ) He is an unstoppable force of nature.
Vader is the most powerful sith lord of all time. He would crush Maul with his control of the force. It would be tough to chop Vader up with two hundred broken bones.

sorry maul fans, but vader is just too icey to be scared of a kid with tiny horns and a stick. maul can jump and kick and do as many summersaults he wants, against the rock that is Darth Vader it would be like a fly trying to get through glass.

"this is what happens when an small bouncy force hits an immovable object!" (ricochet) KAPWIIING!!

Round One: Darth Maul attacks from odd angles and flying attacks. Vader gets a lil chopped up, but hes a cyborg, so no one really cares. After Vader gets smacked around a few times and gets tired of Maul's constant blitzkrieg attacks, Vader just outright force grips Maul and slams him into a nearby wall.

Round Two: Maul recovers and attempts another lightning ambush attack, but Vader has him figured out by then and manages to repel the attack, forcing the physically weaker maul to defend himself. Maul is a straightfoward, all out fighter,.. probably not used to having to block. Vader slices through Mauls uber cool double sided light stick of doom and uses force push to send maul flying THROUGH a wall.

Round Three: Maul uses a last ditch effort to flank Vader and attack with one half of his light staff. Vader takes a nasty cyborg amputation to his right arm, but obviously survives and delivers a spine cutting thrust to Maul, dropping Maul to his knees. Vader then uses forc grip to beat Maul to death with pieces of the wall before beheading him, loading his corpse into his shuttle, flying all over looking for an impossibly deep random crevice to throw his body down, and doing so. Cuz everybody knows, a star wars fight isnt over till somebody falls down in impossibly deep random crevice that you cant see the bottom of.

Darth Maul did it.
Boba Fett did it. (not impossibly deep, but i count it.)
Luke Skywalker did it.
Mace Windu did it.
Emporer Palpatine did it.

who am i missing?? lol

Very interesting ideas guys. Please watch the language.

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all i'm sayin is this,

Vader always had a hidden agenda, he wanted his son.
Vader always had the sliver of good in him,

Maul is 100% pure evil. no good anywhere in him. He would have killed himself to prove his loyalty to the dark side and his master. Vader chose his son over the darkside. He was weak and he died for it.
I still in my humble opinion say MAUL would win.

Does anyone remember Indiana Jones? That guy had some crazy sword moves, but when he was done twirling about, Indy just shot him. lol Vader wins no doubt. His power of the force makes him difficult to stop.

Vader wins

Originally Posted by MADDMUDDER

all i'm sayin is this,

Vader always had a hidden agenda, he wanted his son.
Vader always had the sliver of good in him,

Maul is 100% pure evil. no good anywhere in him. He would have killed himself to prove his loyalty to the dark side and his master. Vader chose his son over the darkside. He was weak and he died for it.
I still in my humble opinion say MAUL would win.

Good points. I think to get Vader to try harder, tell him that Maul is will kill the love of Vader's life if he loses.

Originally Posted by MADDMUDDER

all i'm sayin is this,

Vader always had a hidden agenda, he wanted his son.
Vader always had the sliver of good in him,

Maul is 100% pure evil. no good anywhere in him. He would have killed himself to prove his loyalty to the dark side and his master. Vader chose his son over the darkside. He was weak and he died for it.
I still in my humble opinion say MAUL would win.

One of the biggest points that Star Wars makes is that good is ultimately stronger than evil. Vader choosing to save his son at the cost of his own life shows that he possesses a will and power that Maul cannot even fathom.
Maul being 100% pure evil and souless is the very reason he could never win. Just my opinion.

compelling point however..... i got nothing i will reflect upon this new pov and return later

Originally Posted by oneone1111

One of the biggest points that Star Wars makes is that good is ultimately stronger than evil. Vader choosing to save his son at the cost of his own life shows that he possesses a will and power that Maul cannot even fathom.
Maul being 100% pure evil and souless is the very reason he could never win. Just my opinion.

That is a REALLY REALLY good point...

"GOOD IS DUMB" .....Spaceballs

Now it is because Maul is evil that I Believe he would win. He would cheat and stop at nothing. He has one goal to stop his target at all costs. In the end when vader is broken and crushed and crawling Maul would behead him and take his saber.
AHHHHHH glad I took a moment to reflect upon this.

Maul has little reason to hate and little ambition. Which are weaknesses by Sith standards. Maul was quite happy being the number two. Vader beats him here on both counts.

Plus, Vader was still one of the best swordsmen around. 70's production aside, if Lucasfilms wanted to have an armoured Vader in a rockin' saber fight today, they'd use CGI.

Vader, man. Vader. Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true...

You can't use the force on me lol.

Vader's outfit is cumbersom and generally not condusive for melee. And I don't believe Maul was happy being #2 he just was not ready to kill his Master.

Originally Posted by oneone1111

One of the biggest points that Star Wars makes is that good is ultimately stronger than evil. Vader choosing to save his son at the cost of his own life shows that he possesses a will and power that Maul cannot even fathom.
Maul being 100% pure evil and souless is the very reason he could never win. Just my opinion.

That is correct and incorrect. The point of good v.s. evil in Star Wars is that the evil path is faster than the good path. In the end, the good side will be more powerful, but a sith can become VERY powerful VERY quickly. It takes a Jedi A LOT longer to surpass a Sith's strength. Remember now, even Yoda couldn't defeat Palpatine. I really don't know if that tiny tiny .0001% of good left in Vader would really make a big difference.

If it was a lightsaber battle, Maul would win, but in a full out lightsaber and force battle, Vader would win .

Here's the thing previously stated in the thread maul removed one of vaders arms(pauses for applause) now vader's 1 good arm must be used to defend himself. Now being a cyborg and not being able to channel lightning this greatly decreases his ability to go on any offensive attack. Once Maul is on the attack all you can do is defend. he is a master of the double blade. obi-wan defeated anakin. then trained luke who lets face it luke may be the rage in the books and by the way fell to the dark side. But he almost went to the darkside fighting and defeating vader. Now again for anyone who may have missed it in my pre. post... When vader battles with his saber he focuses 95% on saber and only 5 % on force throws. I believe that Maul and vader would duel with minimal force.

Now being that both were defeated by jedi. you have to look at combat.
Maul fought 2 jedi with 2 different fighting styles and not only held his own but defeated 1 rather quickly by seperating the two from eachother.

Vader got beaten by im sorry anakin got beaten by obi-wan and left for dead. Now I love obi-wan but it goes to show GOOD IS DUMB. He should have finished the job. Left for dead and dead are very different things.

Back to vader, Vader got beheaded in the swamps of dagobah by a truely untrained jedi. Then again he got Pwned by luke again.

It is my belief that yes GOOD tho DUMB is stronger in the end but..... Maul was before vader so in a scense he was badder than vader more highly trained than vader and would not have any emotional garbage about finding his twin childeren................. Pure Evil trumps emotional lightside thoughts

i dont understand why people think Vader's suit is so debilitating. because when they shot the OT they wanted a big buy in a big suit to have that "size factor" ??? Vader was the most powerful jedi who ever lived. If you have read into the EU at all you would know that Vader could do some major damage in a saber duel. he didnt move around like Frankenstein people. he was fast, he could do front flips and back flips, size means nothing. come on....


“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”


Maul was never and would never be any match for Vader.

have you ever worn a vader suit you cant lift your arms I love vader also but he would DIE

Originally Posted by MADDMUDDER

Here's the thing previously stated in the thread maul removed one of vaders arms(pauses for applause) now vader's 1 good arm must be used to defend himself. Now being a cyborg and not being able to channel lightning this greatly decreases his ability to go on any offensive attack. Once Maul is on the attack all you can do is defend. he is a master of the double blade. obi-wan defeated anakin. then trained luke who lets face it luke may be the rage in the books and by the way fell to the dark side. But he almost went to the darkside fighting and defeating vader. Now again for anyone who may have missed it in my pre. post... When vader battles with his saber he focuses 95% on saber and only 5 % on force throws. I believe that Maul and vader would duel with minimal force.

This is simply not true. When Maul was trained he refused to follow the traditional path of the Sith Lords. He wanted nothing but pure physical
skills. The traditional path of the Sith is to defeat their opponents not only physically but mentally as well. This is where Maul would fail against Vader NUMERO UNO

Now being that both were defeated by jedi. you have to look at combat.
Maul fought 2 jedi with 2 different fighting styles and not only held his own but defeated 1 rather quickly by seperating the two from eachother.

Qui-gon failed because he was too confident in his own ability. he was known as the MAVERICK JEDI you know. If he would have stayed on the defense until Obi was able to help him they would have easily defeated Maul.

Vader got beaten by im sorry anakin got beaten by obi-wan and left for dead. Now I love obi-wan but it goes to show GOOD IS DUMB. He should have finished the job. Left for dead and dead are very different things.

Anakin was Obi-wan's best friend and his brother. The entire battle on Mustafar Obi was on the defense, not wanting to hurt Anakin. Id like to see you strike your brother down in cold blood..... not likely

Back to vader, Vader got beheaded in the swamps of dagobah by a truely untrained jedi. Then again he got Pwned by luke again.

a spectral image... im not even going to bother arguing that comment

It is my belief that yes GOOD tho DUMB is stronger in the end but..... Maul was before vader so in a scense he was badder than vader more highly trained than vader and would not have any emotional garbage about finding his twin childeren................. Pure Evil trumps emotional lightside thoughts

Maul was nothing but a child trained to be an apprentice. Darth Vader was created by the force. He was the most powerful jedi / Sith Lord EVER. There is no arguing that, its pure Star Wars fact. Maul was only focused on using physical skills to defeat and destroy his enemy.

"Maul had been an animal. A skilled animal, but a beast nonetheless." - Darth Tyranus.

Originally Posted by MADDMUDDER

have you ever worn a vader suit you cant lift your arms I love vader also but he would DIE

im not the most powerful sith lord ever either

exar kun is the most powerful sith ever read the books on that i will get the titles and pm you them. second if obi-wan would have finished the job the first time vader never would have been. Third your right spectral image i was reaching LOL

i don"t own a Vader suit but, I've had the priveldge of wearing one once. I had much more mobility in it than in my mando which is armored between and boba and jango. Look at what the clones can do in the in the movies, comics, tv show and even the action figures. A poor soul in a set of clone armor can hardly sit and breath comfortably.

real world wearability of our costumes has nothing to do with the unfathomable physics of the Star Wars Universe.

There's nothing I've seen or read about Maul and Vader that lead me to believe that Maul could defeat Vader.

Again, I will concede that Maul was better, faster and more manuverable than Vader and that would be an advantage if they were non-force using sword combatants. However, Force lightening aside, Vader was a powrful forceuser. Emensly more so than Maul even could be or desired to be.

Maul was simply the best of what was available at the time for Palpatines apprentice. He was honestly more of a Hand than a Sith Lord and as cool as he looked and fought, he wasn't really that cool of a character on the level of A/The Sith Lord. In fact, nothing about him ever led me to believe he had the ability to be The Sith Lord.

Vader had the potential to be the strongest Force user in the SWU but, his potential was never fully realized because of his damaged body. However, he had pure physical strength, greatly enhanced by his cybernetics, he was adept in the force to a great degree. Who cares if you can't shoot lightening from your finger tips that can be deflected/absorbed by a lightsaber or palm of a hand? Just use your superior force abilities to seize them, not even a throat crush per say. Just seize their body and not permit them to control it. Vader had and demonstrated that ability against many other force users. Although Vader's damaged body lacked the pur speed and skill he possessed as Anakin, he learned new techniques, generally relying on pure force and wanton disregard for self. He used his strength, size and power to overwhelm his enemies. Not to mention, he was willing to sacrifice damage to the cybernetic bodies to destroy his enemies, as was seen in the one shot comic where he took out a nest of Jedi trying to destroy him (Purge).

Maul is a force of nature but Vader was an unstoppable force of nature.

The scenario could go down multiple ways. Ultimatly, Vader would sense Maul coming and his intentions long before Maul was in any position to strike. Vader would likely let his over confidence rule him and bit and would likely attempt to best Maul with the Saber. However good as Maul was, Vader was too good for Maul to land a killing blow right off the bat. Vader eventually would become enraged enough to just seize Maul with the force and squeeze him to the size of a grape.

Endex = Vader pwns Maul

Originally Posted by Gino

You SO arent helping the matter...

ok that pic is to funny

hey ,maul did kill a jedi, a jedi master at that. as he fought 2 jedi at the same time. so 1 out of 2 ain't bad. no ,he was not a sith lord ,maybe he was still in training.

that being said ,vader would make maul his (insert dirty word here).

read shadow hunter maul would destroy vader. and in follow up to my exar kun comment. Jedi academy is the run that cover and supports that kun is the baddest sith ever.

BUT..... I respect all of your oppinions I just disagree.

Exar Kun, Darth Bain, Darth Nihillis...I'd take any of em over Vader...he may have mastery of the force, but that doesnt count so much if the other guy can just resist yer attacks then hack you to pieces with a saber...

I'm with madmudder; i can respect all other opinions, just not agreeing with em.

ok i got to say some things. you killed a jedi master maul good job...one..one... id like to point out that vader, thats right vader B slapped like 8 jedi on his own, his own! maul has no chance. yeah so maul is faster,stronger, hades no! read vader's bio hes cybornetics increases his strength so any blow that maul tries to block would be like an elephant being thrown at you and only your hands to block you, that and vader is the chosen one he owns in the force, also for those who say his suit is combersome for him to move in,your right, but the bio also states that he has designed his own form of fighting to specifically compensate for that.vader wins, hands down. no animosity towards anyone i just feel that some of vader's fine points have been excluded

i would just like to point out that in the EU Maul is brought back twice. Once to hunt down Obi-wan and again to fight Vader. Outcome: Maul gets pwned in both fights. Im sorry to say but Maul is no match for a true Master of the force.

I do recall vader had to create his own fighting style to accomidate his armor. However........Vader got pwnd by luke come on people luke was lesser a jedi than most and he was not created by the force he was born to only 1 jedi and a meer mortal. I just dont see how "THE CHOSSEN ONE" could get skooled by LUKE. Thats like a youngling defeating Master windu.

Lets just tally up the votes:
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When it comes to agility, Maul is the best.

Vader being "Vader" all mechanical, can't properly duel with a lightsaber, he would loose, but why duel when you can kill your opponet at distance?

Vader is stronger in the Force, he doesn't NEED to maneuver that much to stop Maul's attacks, and then he would simply choke him with the Force, is that simple.

Is this the first (posted) poll ever in TDH history?

Come on now, Vader wouldn't lose an arm to a lightsaber. Remember when Luke hit him in the left shoulder in ESB and it barely scratched him and only ticked him off? I think this is the only occurrence in the movies of a saber not just cleanly slicing through an arm!

duuudes! you all keep saying vader is more powerfull with the force. that means he draws his strength, agillity and speed from the force... thus he is the badest and would win any fight with maul

Originally Posted by never_ending_fett

Is this the first (posted) poll ever in TDH history?

I think so...never seen one before...

Thank you for creating the poll, i have been back to work and busy

come on maul supporters vote!!!

I voted for Maul!!

Maul just looks tough. Vader is tough!

Maul?





Who is Darth Maul?






Alfredo

mmmmm. ok well whatever

wow. maul is getting owned in the polls. all the true fans know who the true Sith Lord is.

the maul voters haven't all logged in yet

I don't think Vader was pwnd by Luke. His feelings for his son allowed Luke to win and thus led Vader back to the light. Remember ESB? Vader was vastly more powerful and had Luke beaten but did not kill him.
The truth is that anytime Vader was bested by anyone there were always some personal feelings involved. Obi Wan won because of Vaders arrogance. Luke won because Vader loved his son.
When Vader was focused no one could beat him. He would have been very focused on Maul, no feelings there.

Love the poll. We gotta have some more of these.

Maul is by far my favorite character after Fett, but I had to vote for Vader. Although Maul is much cooler....he wouldn't win.

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Vader sucks.

DARTH MAUL for the WIN!!!!

I don't think Vader would be able to force choke Maul to death. Maul is not incompetent when it comes to using the force. He would be able to get out of a force choke. Then using his amazing speed he would cripple Vader and then decapitate him. Even Palpatine didn't like Vader and took any chance he could to try and find a replacement. Seriously, winy cry babies are not Sith Lords.

yes vader was not the fav. but it is in the sith nature to be ruthless and if vader didn't kill him in rotj, then he may have gotten replaced. well played sir,

Originally Posted by MADDMUDDER

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Originally Posted by MADDMUDDER

yes vader was not the fav. but it is in the sith nature to be ruthless and if vader didn't kill him in rotj, then he may have gotten replaced. well played sir,

uhm, he didnt kill him. the emperor survived. EU is carnal knowledge in trying to win a star wars argument. hence why this argument means nothing because vader fought maul and won. theres no opinion that will change the fact.

Originally Posted by ChaosHelljumper

Vader sucks.

DARTH MAUL for the WIN!!!!

I don't think Vader would be able to force choke Maul to death. Maul is not incompetent when it comes to using the force. He would be able to get out of a force choke. Then using his amazing speed he would cripple Vader and then decapitate him. Even Palpatine didn't like Vader and took any chance he could to try and find a replacement. Seriously, winy cry babies are not Sith Lords.

....Palpatine gave up his identity as the Sith Lord to get Anakin as his apprentice. The only time Palpatine tried to replace Vader was in ROTJ. And that was because up until then there had been no force sensitive who was more powerful than vader. Vader was the most powerful force sensitive ever created, he wasn't even born he was created by the force. The only reason he lost his power was because when he lost his limbs he lost all of the midichlorians that were in his blood. and even still there was no jedi who could defeat him except his own son.

Just because you dont like Hayden christensen's portayal of Darth Vader dont forget was the character truly was.

i read somewhere tha Maul was an imperial Marine Just sayin.........

Obi wan chopped Maul in half by himself.
Who killed Obi wan, could it have been VADER. Oh yes, in his big, heavy, slow suit.

Therefore, Vader beats Maul no matter what.

Originally Posted by Jean1982

Obi wan chopped Maul in half by himself.
Who killed Obi wan, could it have been VADER. Oh yes, in his big, heavy, slow suit.

Therefore, Vader beats Maul no matter what.

...and who had Vader at his mercy BEFORE Vader was a clunky machine? if Obi-wan had wanted to, Vader would have died right there.

Originally Posted by A'den Kyramud

...and who had Vader at his mercy BEFORE Vader was a clunky machine? if Obi-wan had wanted to, Vader would have died right there.

So by your logic, Obi-wan let Vader win, but Vader did not let Luke win. Who do you think cared more? Obi-wan for Vader, or Vader for his own son. The last time they met, Vader had become the most powerful sith lord ever.

Also, when Obi-wan killed Maul, he was only a learner and was not even a full Jedi Knight at the time.

Tough question...

personally... i think maul would win... IMO he is superior in his lightsaber skills... Vader is quite strong with the force but what would he do with it to actually end maul? Maul can use it as well, not nearly as well as vader but he can. It is kind of interesting topic... overall i think it owuld be difficult to say. My heart lies with Maul tho so I am following that haha!

El1te

this month in star wars magazine they had an interesting duel. they pitted Dooku against Maul and broke down all the stats. the final outcome :




Dooku would have no problem extinguishing maul's life flame. they said maul was nothing but an animal who wanted nothing but physical prowess. Dooku's extreme knowledge of the force would be no match for maul.

so......ipso facto. maul would stand absolutely no chance against vader.

i say maul because of agility

All the agility in the world wouldn't help Maul against Vader if he used the Force. He could easily beat him with that alone.

I vote Vader. If Maul was better, a padawan wouldn't have beaten him. =P

Luke = Worst Jedi Ever
Vader = Worst Sith Ever

I still say Darth Maul.

I don't think you can judge a person's skill based on WHO he beat... Chuck Liddell is a great fighter and he continuously beats Tito Ortiz who also is a great fighter... but Chuck has also been knocked out by no name fighters... Justifys nothing.

Maul was able to take on both Obi wan and Qui Gon... yes he was killed by a padawan but if Maul wasn't so cocky in that scene he would have wasted him right there. He had him beat, his own cockyness got him killed (which was a really lame way to end a great sith in that movie hahaha).

I can agree, Vader would most certainly give Maul a hard time with the force, but Maul isn't useless with it either... I think he has a strong enough knowledge in it to not allow himself to simply get choked to death...Vader was becoming weaker, he was loosing his hatred... Maul was very focused. And we all know Maul was significantly superior with a lightsaber. I think the only force thing a sith can use against another sith/jedi effectively is force lightning... which Vader can't do (boohoo mechanical arms) haha.

So it also depends on when they fight. Maul was still only an apprentice himself... yet he killed a master. Maul was powerful and had much to learn. Given the same amount of time Vader had to become as powerful as he was... I think Maul would crush him.

The idea itself is kind of silly but there are so many things that people can take into consideration.

El1te

Originally Posted by usmcrice0311

....Palpatine gave up his identity as the Sith Lord to get Anakin as his apprentice. The only time Palpatine tried to replace Vader was in ROTJ. And that was because up until then there had been no force sensitive who was more powerful than vader. Vader was the most powerful force sensitive ever created, he wasn't even born he was created by the force. The only reason he lost his power was because when he lost his limbs he lost all of the midichlorians that were in his blood. and even still there was no jedi who could defeat him except his own son.

Just because you dont like Hayden christensen's portayal of Darth Vader dont forget was the character truly was.

Palpatine has Mara Jade as well, the argument could be made that she was being groomed to replace Vader.

But the argument is Vader vs Maul. Yes Maul has agility, and martial arts, and I would assume is competent with use of the Force though he doesn't rely mainly on it. Vader has had to change everything, including his fighting style to adjust for his new body, which states limits him to vertical and horizontal powerful attacks. his use of the Force is still powerful enough to me more than a match for almost anyone. The fight would be tough. I too, assume Maul could get out of a force choke, but Vader would also use the force to hurl objects about, and probably Maul himself. But at lightsaber distance, Vader would be hard pressed to keep up with Mauls' speed, cue to his glitchy mechanical leg and his limbs simply not being as nimble as they once were, added to this if Maul manages to hit Vader with electricity of any decent power, be it Force Lightning or other, Vader is simply done. His suit would short and simply be unable to sustain his life for more than an hour, so after that attack Vader would be forced to choose between fight hard and try to kill Maul and THEN get to his hyperbaric chamber, or simply try to retreat there and continue the battle at another time. However, I think Vader has more than enough hate in him to carry the fight on and use it to kill Maul, even though it may ultimately end in his own demise. Maul was arrgogant and simply thought he was the better opponent, which blinded him to Obi-Wan's killing blow, Vader really WAS that good and it was his opponents underestimating him that earned him plenty of kills that he otherwise may not have gotten.

Or a simpler way look at the record.

Maul - 1 jedi kill (3 if you count the jedi and padawan in Shadow Hunter)
Vader - Almost the entire jedi order. (and more if you read the books)

Vader obviously wins.

rock beats scissors, scissors cut paper, paper covers rock! nuff said! LOL!

Originally Posted by woodman

rock beats scissors, scissors cut paper, paper covers rock! nuff said! LOL!

hahaha I can agree with that.

El1te

Originally Posted by TehEl1te

I don't think you can judge a person's skill based on WHO he beat... Chuck Liddell is a great fighter and he continuously beats Tito Ortiz who also is a great fighter... but Chuck has also been knocked out by no name fighters... Justifys nothing.

Maul was able to take on both Obi wan and Qui Gon... yes he was killed by a padawan but if Maul wasn't so cocky in that scene he would have wasted him right there. He had him beat, his own cockyness got him killed (which was a really lame way to end a great sith in that movie hahaha).

I can agree, Vader would most certainly give Maul a hard time with the force, but Maul isn't useless with it either... I think he has a strong enough knowledge in it to not allow himself to simply get choked to death...Vader was becoming weaker, he was loosing his hatred... Maul was very focused. And we all know Maul was significantly superior with a lightsaber. I think the only force thing a sith can use against another sith/jedi effectively is force lightning... which Vader can't do (boohoo mechanical arms) haha.

So it also depends on when they fight. Maul was still only an apprentice himself... yet he killed a master. Maul was powerful and had much to learn. Given the same amount of time Vader had to become as powerful as he was... I think Maul would crush him.

The idea itself is kind of silly but there are so many things that people can take into consideration.

El1te

You said it. I was just about to say that I think everyone forgets that Maul was still only an apprentice when he met Obi-Wan and his powers would only have gotten better with time.

Originally Posted by ChaosHelljumper

Luke = Worst Jedi Ever
Vader = Worst Sith Ever

I still say Darth Maul.

yeah you're right. the jedi who restored the entire jedi order to power was the worst jedi ever. and the sith lord who single handedly destroyed the previous jedi order was the worst sith lord ever.

go back to watching Saturday morning cartoons kid

Originally Posted by ChaosHelljumper

You said it. I was just about to say that I think everyone forgets that Maul was still only an apprentice when he met Obi-Wan and his powers would only have gotten better with time.

Maul was a sith lord when he fought Obi-wan. again, maybe you should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place

I'll abide by the Dark Horse story because Darth Vader did infact have a deeper, more profound hatred to channel the Dark Side of the Force through than the young Darth Maul could hope to draw upon.

The most powerful Sith is open subject to debate. Lightsabre skills alone do not make the Sith. The measure of a true Dark Lord comes from a combination of the individual's ablity to channel the Dark Side of the Force, and knowledge applied with cunning.

For instance, where Darth Vader can be attributed to mopping up the remnants of the Jedi Order of the Republic, Darth Bane is credited with destroying the Brotherhood of Darkness and thus reestablishing the Sith Order.

Be well.
Thomas

and THAT is a whole different issue... ... ...BANE FTW!!!

Originally Posted by usmcrice0311

yeah you're right. the jedi who restored the entire jedi order to power was the worst jedi ever. and the sith lord who single handedly destroyed the previous jedi order was the worst sith lord ever.

go back to watching Saturday morning cartoons kid



Maul was a sith lord when he fought Obi-wan. again, maybe you should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place

Palpatine even says in Episode 1 that he is sending his APPRENTICE Darth Maul to find the Neimodian's lost ship. So yes Maul still had things to learn of the force. So maybe YOU should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place and calling people names. This can be a friendly debate without people like you so maybe you should be quiet now.

And no I am not a kid. I just don't really care for Luke or Vader is all. I am welcome to my opinion just as you are welcome to yours. That is all that anyone is stating in this thread. Vader and Maul were from two different times so they would never have fought in the Star Wars Universe. It doesn't matter who would have won in a fight. All anyone is stating is who they like better. I happen to like Darth Maul. And for clarification when Maul fought Vader that was in a comic book that does not take place in the canon universe so the results of that fight shouldn't count just as the results of Maul's second fight with Obi-Wan isn't canon and again shouldn't count.

They actually divided up canon into the folowing categories...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

" G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.

T-canon[1] refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee[2].

C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.

S-canon is secondary canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.

N-canon is non-canon. "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. A significant amount of material that was previously C-canon was rendered N-canon by the release of Episodes I-III."

so on some level, comics are canon, but you'll always get those who refuse to acknowledge anything but the movies as canon.

You know, Maul vs. Vader is not as interesting as Maul vs. Count Dooku. Maul is too simple and easy for Vader in my opinion. I think Dooku would be a FAR tougher adversary than Maul. New poll, anyone?

cool ness factor Maul all the way. in a fight Vader he was force talented

Originally Posted by ChaosHelljumper

Palpatine even says in Episode 1 that he is sending his APPRENTICE Darth Maul to find the Neimodian's lost ship. So yes Maul still had things to learn of the force. So maybe YOU should learn some facts before you come in here spewing garbage all over the place and calling people names. This can be a friendly debate without people like you so maybe you should be quiet now.

And no I am not a kid. I just don't really care for Luke or Vader is all. I am welcome to my opinion just as you are welcome to yours. That is all that anyone is stating in this thread. Vader and Maul were from two different times so they would never have fought in the Star Wars Universe. It doesn't matter who would have won in a fight. All anyone is stating is who they like better. I happen to like Darth Maul. And for clarification when Maul fought Vader that was in a comic book that does not take place in the canon universe so the results of that fight shouldn't count just as the results of Maul's second fight with Obi-Wan isn't canon and again shouldn't count.

just because he is an apprentice doesnt mean he isnt a Sith Lord. maybe you should learn a little bit. just because one sith is the master and one is the apprentice they can both be sith lords. Maul became a sith lord after his Outer Rim Trials.

and this thread isnt about who you like better, the question at debate is "WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT"

Originally Posted by Flettch

You know, Maul vs. Vader is not as interesting as Maul vs. Count Dooku. Maul is too simple and easy for Vader in my opinion. I think Dooku would be a FAR tougher adversary than Maul. New poll, anyone?

star wars magazine had this fight in their most recent issue and came to the conclusion that dooku would wipe the floor with maul

star wars magazine had this fight in their most recent issue and came to the conclusion that dooku would wipe the floor with maul

they said Dooku would win due to his knowledge of the force. And yes then Dooku would win, however I doubt Maul would give him a chance to simply stand around and throw lightning etc... And in saber skills, Maul has Dooku beat. Dooku as described in Labryinth of Evil, prized style over everything, he believed in looking good while dueling. Maul fought simply to get the job done and was quite viscious about it. In a straight saber duel, Maul wins IMO.

Originally Posted by Gino

I can't believe some of the blasphemy I'm reading in this thread.
Maul was ruthless and terrifying, but Vader was the most powerful Jedi/Sith who ever lived. Period.
Shame on any of you who say otherwise.






.

Wait wait wait...remember now....Vader was not even a Master yet...i.e no lightning (BTW i Love Vader, cried as a kid when he died)
Vader COULD have been the greatest Sith/Jedi ever but it didn't happen.
Yes Darth Maul was hella ****** but again no Master by far...
Hand down Sith Master Darth Bane would have and did defeat many MASTER Jedi and Sith alike.
Both Darth Vader and Darth Maul together could not defeat Master Darth Bane

Originally Posted by Syper

Wait wait wait...remember now....Vader was not even a Master yet...i.e no lightning

Force Lightening is far from Mastery of the Force. Vader more than had the skills to do it. However, unlike Force Lifts, Throws, Grabs, Chokes etc., where the limb is used as a concentration technique (it's not neccessary to do the mannuever), Force Lightening is a manifestation of the Force using the limb as a conduit. It can ONLY be done by conducting it through the arm and out the fingers. It's been explained that Vader could not do it because of his cybernetic arms, not because he couldn't master the technique. Maul never used it because he never cared to learn to do it.

Originally Posted by A'den Skirata

Force Lightening is far from Mastery of the Force.

Good point got it!

Originally Posted by A'den Skirata

Vader more than had the skills to do it.

Where are you getting this from...Vader was never as Powerful as you think he was. Vader was only the second Sith lord known at the time...infact I could make the argument that he didn't do anything that Darth Maul couldn't do...and Darth Maul would have surpass Vader's Force shills because he didn't have any cybernetic limbs limitating his Mastery of the Force

Originally Posted by A'den Skirata

Force Lightening is a manifestation of the Force using the limb as a conduit. It can ONLY be done by conducting it through the arm and out the fingers. It's been explained that Vader could not do it because of his cybernetic arms, not because he couldn't master the technique.

I could fly if i had wings...BUT I DON'T lol
Your point is proving my point perfictly....Anakin would have been hands down the most powerful Sith/Jedi ever but Darth Vader because hes more machine then man could never be a True Sith Master...just a Sith Master by default if anything ever happen to the emperor...

In Star Wars - Legacy of the Force, a Dark Lady of the Sith named Lumiya explains to Darth Caedus(son of Han and Leia Solo) that she cannot and never will be a Master of the force because of her own cybernetic limitations...Luke had cut off her arms and legs long ago...she went on to teach and pass down all of her force skills to Darth Caedus always knowing her place, with the only goal of helping Darth Caedus become a Sith Master because she could not...just like Vader..

Again at his full potential Anakin Skywalker could defeat Darth Bane but Darth Bane if he was around at the time would Laugh at Darth Vader then crush him just like all the others...

First love Sith Lords, All Fett now
Would love to see somekimd of Mandalorian Sith Lord.....

Anakin threw lightning as a kid in Rogue Planet, ( I know I know, I'm using evil EU) so he had the skill, but again as Vader he can't afford to do it as it would short out his suit and kill himself, which is why he died in ROTJ, cause Palpatine just fried his suit while Vader held him above his head. It couldn't have been the lightning itself cause Luke got it far worse than Vader did. Maul simply did not use the Force, unless it was to hurl objects about or the random force push. His proficiency level is unknown, however I'm betting it wasn't on the level of Vader otherwise he would have put up more of a fight against Obi-Wan.

Originally Posted by usmcrice0311

just because he is an apprentice doesnt mean he isnt a Sith Lord. maybe you should learn a little bit. just because one sith is the master and one is the apprentice they can both be sith lords. Maul became a sith lord after his Outer Rim Trials.

and this thread isnt about who you like better, the question at debate is "WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT"



star wars magazine had this fight in their most recent issue and came to the conclusion that dooku would wipe the floor with maul

I never said Maul wasn't a Sith Lord. I just said he was techniquely an apprentice and still had much he could have learned and gotten better.
And this is about who you like better. This is all opinion about two fictional characters that never met in the fictional world of Star Wars and who would win in a fight thus this is all opinion. And I don't think Star Wars Insider is the end all when it comes to Star Wars. That magazine is printed by Titan Publishing and they make their own articles. If they think Dooku would beat Maul again that is their opinion. The two never met. And I still have the opinion that Maul would beat Dooku and Vader. No matter what you say you are not going to change that opinion.

As far as Bane goes I have not read those books yet but from what I hear he was a pretty tough Sith so I will take the word of those who have read the books that he was possibly the toughest Sith ever. He seems kinda cool unlike a certain asmatic clunky sith.