Jul 9, 2007, 10:20 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Mac for sure. Microsoft, it seems, is content to release consistently faulty products. My current Mac has yet to choke after 2 years on OSX.
Jul 9, 2007, 11:03 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I used a Mac for years while in school for graphic design and studio production... the instructor was a HUGE Mac fan... I never really liked Macs (heck, I even had one back in the Apple Macintosh days with the mono-tone green screens) however, I still remain more a PC gal...
Jul 9, 2007, 11:41 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I can see both sides. I love that the Mac is running BSD, but still has mostly closed hardware that I hate. All of my clients are running Windows XP and 2k3, so I need to keep up. My home and work desktops run Linux.
Jul 9, 2007, 1:29 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
i should have also put a bit of info as to why i use macs.
i'm a unix sysadmin. i work with unix servers pretty much exclusively in the professional world.
i used to run freebsd and linux at home on all my machines.
when mac os x came out, i had a unix variant that could do all of the shell stuff i loved, but also run a pretty solid assortment of commercial apps.
i have my standard development environment running easily on my laptop... bash, sed, awk and the like, apache, perl, php, mysql, imagemagick, etc... but i also have photoshop and illustrator right there. the gimp may be a great free tool, but it's no photoshop.
much of that is already there when you pull the computer out of the box.
the same can be achieved with windows using cygwin, but it's a pain in the butt, and the chances of downloading a random source tarball and getting it to built is much lower.
so basically, the mac comes out of the box much closer to ready to use, and is easier for me to maintain.
i'm not much of a gamer, so the lower selection of games doesn't matter to me. that's what i have an xbox 360 for.
Jul 9, 2007, 1:31 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Jul 9, 2007, 1:58 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Mac = Professional Media Field
PC = Household computing/office slave work
Consoles = Games. Quit spending $1000's for a system that can play games when you can spend the same for a system, a few games, and a sweet HDTV.
Oh and this thread is a bad idea ha ha.
I helped at SDCC '08
Jul 9, 2007, 3:08 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
He is kidding dude.
I helped at SDCC '08
Jul 9, 2007, 3:35 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Eh, the games I normally play they don't make for consoles. Besides...after the original PS consoles went to ****, so I don't waste my time. With my PC, I can play a game, control my entertainment system (at the same time), browse the internet (in the background), catch up on work, write an email, blah blah blah. Consoles are getting more and more expensive with every release, one day we may even see them at the same price as a PC or Mac...then whats the point of buying the console? lol
Being the senior PC tech here at the company I work for, I can see where Macs have improved alot over the last few years. I still think they lack severely in the hardware customization category, and that's honestly my biggest turnoff to them.
Jul 9, 2007, 3:43 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Jul 9, 2007, 5:56 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Agreed. Only, I'm too cheap to keep a PC up to date, and I'm a console-RPG kind of guy, so I'm content with my Mac and Xbox 360/Wii.
Paying twice as much for a Mac laptop as for a PC laptop because my (then) current work environment was Mac-only was a mistake. Using it for music is the only thing I like about it more than a PC (and that's just because I'm too cheap to buy Pro Tools, Reason, Live, etc.). Unfortunately, most of my work is all command line or web-based these days, so having a Mac is mostly a waste of money.
Then again, if I ever get back to Fan Filming, because I don't have a lot of money to spend on video software, I will likely be using iMovie and some plugins.
Mac for media applications, but (I think) it's a waste of money for just about everyone else.
Oh, and the Mac vs. PC commercials make me regret owning a Mac. Straw man attacks as part of a smear campaign is about the lowest "argument" one can try to make.
Jul 9, 2007, 6:35 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I love my PC...
but I use a Mac at work and it is good. Until it breaks. Which happens every other day.
Jul 9, 2007, 9:00 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
im a PC guy myself
dont really like the one button style of the macs...but i definitly agree that macs are for the media type and PCs are for the gamers/everything elsers
<--gamer .... so PC gets my vote
besides, i can still can make lego stop motion videos using windows media maker...so who needs a mac
Jul 9, 2007, 9:46 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Jul 9, 2007, 10:31 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Wow late double post... sorry about that...
I helped at SDCC '08
Jul 9, 2007, 10:34 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
No it isn't.
I helped at SDCC '08
Jul 9, 2007, 11:46 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Galactic Bounty Hunter said:
And do not take offense to these people, this is good fun.
Once again, this if for fun, and is meant to get a laugh, don't take offense, it is a web comic.
Jul 10, 2007, 12:52 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Heh heh, good ole Ctrl Alt Delete...
Jul 10, 2007, 1:09 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I don't know what I like best. I've been using PC since I was four years old. When you've used something for that long change is hard to get over. The computer I have now is seven years old... except the only original parts is the shell and the disk drive. The only reason I would find myself ever getting a mac is if my pc somehow explodes or if I need a laptop. So I really don't care at the moment which is better.
I don't like buying game consoles because of the fact you need like five different ones to play different games. PC rules when it comes to games.
I think Macs look pretty though. But in the end do those cool graphic menus and round white buttons really matter?
Jul 11, 2007, 10:35 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I was a pc user since I was about o say 7 or 8 years old. It was not unto I got into the 12th grade that I first even saw a mac in person hehe. After seeing what the mac in my film class coud do vs. my dell at home (I had a gateway, and others in the past as well) the mac won the war. I got my first mac this past christmas and it has not had a single problem this computer even fell (thanks dad) and still wakes like its right out of the box. The only sad thing about it is that sometimes my aim quites on me however I just need to reopen.
MAC'S VS. PC the MAC WINS FOR ME
I mean why put up with the computer crashing and the computer tech just saying it would be cheaper to just buy a new one each time your pc crashed.
Jul 12, 2007, 10:12 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Actually, this is ANOTHER myth that needs to go. ALL Macs come with Mice that have not one, not two, but FIVE buttons AND a scroll wheel.
Another myth I hear all the time - Macs are great for media types. While this has historically been true, and a majority of creative professionals use Macs, the fact is all Macs and PCs (aka Dell, etc.) all run the exact same hardware. Same hard drives, same RAM, same video cards and even the same processors. Start to compare feature for feature, and Apple Computers are cheaper in every respect. Because Apple is not a slave to Microsoft's OEM agreement, can undercut Dell across the board on all comparable hardware. This is fact.
The reality is, Macs are ideal for just about everyone, especially the technically inept who tend to buy the cheap, Wal Mart Commodity PC - which always ends up costing more in the long run in combined frustration, technical support and not to mention time. Technically inept people have no idea how to install all the required 3rd party software to protect their new PCs and are essentially crippled in under ten minutes after connecting to the internet. Once again, this is a statistical fact. Microsoft's own admission and solution to the deluge of Spyware, malware, trojans and other security exploits that plague Windows - is to "nuke it from orbit."
I can not express my ire enough with the general public at their complete ignorance and continued propagation of archaic myths that no longer apply to the Apple Macintosh Computer. Windows is the biggest joke ever played on the average consumer and I hope at least, over time, people will realize they don't need to put up with all the rubbish that continues to spew from Redmond Washington.
Jul 12, 2007, 10:51 AM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I wanted to do some quick comparisons of Apple vs. Dell hardware. Dell is probably one of the few manufactures out there that makes hardware well enough to be on the same level of Apple quality.
(NOTE: Sure, you can build a PC cheaper by buying all the components from a computer store like Micro Center, but we're discussing the majority - the average, typical user who will never go through the hassle of building a PC from scratch. In my mind, that is the realm of the hobbiest.)
I wanted to start with Apple's flagship notebook computer, the 17" MacBook Pro. Interestingly, Dell does not even allow you to equip their comparable notebook with a processor of same speed, it's actually slower!
Apple MacBook Pro, stock config - $2,799
Dell XPS M1710, config to match Apple - $3,289
Over $490 more expensive for a PC and you still have to deal with Windows!
In the lower profit margin computers, sub-$1099, Dell can afford to loose a little and make it up in volume, but from my price comparisons, you might save roughly $75, but you still have to deal with the frustration of Windows.
Bottom line is, buy what you want to buy - it's your money. I find that most people make their decision based on a comfort factor of sticking with what they know. People, in general, do not take to change well, and when something as confounding as a computer becomes common-place, it's extremely difficult and stressful to change the paradigm on which you spent years learning. I just like to point out that there is something better.
Jul 12, 2007, 8:26 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
I prefer a mac, I only say this because both of the pc's that I previously owned crashed within months, this is laughable compared to my macbook pro. (I should also add, I have owned a mac for about a year with no problems)
Jul 12, 2007, 10:09 PM - Re: Mac or Pc?
Sure, Macs do lack in the "hardware customization category" as you put it. However, this might be the reason that Mac's just work when you turn them on. I think that TD-1536 hit the nail on the head here when he said ....
To expound on what TD-1536 said, PC's, with the vast selection of custom hardware available in generic PC building , and the endless sea of proprietary vendor hardware, like Dell, HP/Compaq, ect., it's impossible for software vendors to keep up WinOS compatibility across the board. I worked for Visoneer/Scansoft for alot of years, both in tech support, as well as software design. What a nightmare. Everytime we turn around, we fix a bug for one harware vendor, and sure as death and taxes, we'd get a call that some dynamic link library, or a virtual device driver is now conflicting with another vendor's harware or software. It was a constant round and around.
This is Apple's first commandment. Or credo, if you will. "Keep it compatible". This is why they will never openly license hardware for their computers again. They tried in the 90's, and it was a Mac Clone compatibility nightmare. Even with the move to Intel procs, they still kept their guts to themselves. It seems a little more nazi in a sense, but it has truly kept the bugs to a minimum. I think with OSX being unix based, they considered letting other vendors source their hardware, simply because the Unix backbone could handle it. But ultimately decided, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Just my 2 cents. Oh, and although I'm a certified PC platform Network Specialist by trade, I'm an avid Mac user, for 15+years. It's nice to come home and not have to fiddle around with fixing your own computer before you can use it
Last edited by fettpride; Jul 12, 2007 at 10:26 PM.