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    Jul 20, 2013, 11:56 AM - ESB HERO copy???? #26

    Now all those Malone Fett Sales make sense.

    I can't help but feel a bit of sad emotions. It's just my opinion but that thing doesn't need to be touched and behind glass. It's priceless. Now that someone has and poured a bunch of castings materials all over it, it doesn't seem as special, rare and mysterious. Maybe that's just me.

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    Jul 21, 2013, 3:54 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #27

    I have very mixed feelings about this. Of course, we never dreamed that this would or could happen. I always hoped it would, but now that it has, my dream of it happening is over. I know this sounds crazy but like most have said, the mystery is gone. It's exciting but at the same time, I feel the original has been cheapened. It's legend status belongs on show out of our hands (in my opinion). I know not everyone will agree with me saying that, and even as I type I'm saying 'what a ******'. We all want that perfect Fett, of course we do. I do! So why do I feel a little sad that has happened? Would I buy one if it was available? Hell yeah. So I'm contradicting myself. Oh my word this hobby..........
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    Jul 21, 2013, 5:08 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #28

    norgs79 said: View Post
    I have very mixed feelings about this. I feel the original has been cheapened.
    Took the words right out of my mouth...still not sure how I feel about this either....I really think it should have been left alone, but that's just my opinion
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    Jul 23, 2013, 1:17 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #29

    PEEL1965 said: View Post
    I'm with Danzo and F4R. I'll stick with FP and the talented artists here.
    Talented artists from here at the Dented helmet were involved in this project from start to finish...
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    Jul 23, 2013, 1:21 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #30

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    I'm curious though, if thats the "Legend" edition, why is there no visible signs of the crack in the left corner mandible? Legend means its not modified correct?
    Incorrect. Legend editions come directly from an original source. In this case, eFX is offering the ESB helmet, cast from the original, as close to its original form (cracks corrected), not as it is today.

    Legend has never meant unmodified because there is always some modification necessary, no different than with the Grant McCune helmet, the Banzai/ESB or even the Malone Fett. The difference here is the purity of the casting and lineage. The waters haven't been muddied.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 1:22 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #31

    22ssplt said: View Post
    I can't help but feel a bit of sad emotions. It's just my opinion but that thing doesn't need to be touched and behind glass. It's priceless. Now that someone has and poured a bunch of castings materials all over it, it doesn't seem as special, rare and mysterious. Maybe that's just me.
    You do realize the ESB helmet has been cast before, correct?
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    Jul 23, 2013, 1:27 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #32

    norgs79 said: View Post
    I have very mixed feelings about this. Of course, we never dreamed that this would or could happen. I always hoped it would, but now that it has, my dream of it happening is over. I know this sounds crazy but like most have said, the mystery is gone. It's exciting but at the same time, I feel the original has been cheapened. It's legend status belongs on show out of our hands (in my opinion). I know not everyone will agree with me saying that, and even as I type I'm saying 'what a ******'. We all want that perfect Fett, of course we do. I do! So why do I feel a little sad that has happened? Would I buy one if it was available? Hell yeah. So I'm contradicting myself. Oh my word this hobby..........
    I know exactly what you mean! I felt that very same thing as we took the ears apart. I have given a lot of hours of my life to studying and trying to figure out various aspects of this helmet... and now all the mystery and wonder were gone because I had every answer I ever wanted in my hands. It is a very complex and weird feeling; elation and also a little bit of sadness. The thing is, long ago, I learned (and here comes the cliche) that it is the journey and not the destination that most of us love and long for. That is why when we finish one project, we start another. We love the challenge. We love the striving and the aspiration for perfection.... not necessarily perfection itself.

    For me, this closes one chapter of a very long book and I very much appreciate the helmet for what it is; the very best we will ever get of this helmet, without owning the original. The thing to remember is that this is not the only part of the Fett costume and there are still a thousand mountains out there to climb and challenge yourself upon. Climb them!
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    Jul 23, 2013, 1:35 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #33

    I agree with the majority. I will hopefully buy one. But that doesn't mean I am happy. It seemed like a crime to watch the video, ESB hero just covered.... It was a ton more fun to look at old photographs and speculate in order to achieve accuracy. I mean, look at all those amazing suits out there that are hand made by people on here. Not by companies. Hand made helmet molds that took months. Armor that has gone through many versions. Stencils made by people studying suits behind glass, or grainy screen captures. We didn't need a mold of the real deal, because we all sort of felt that the ESB hero is a relic not to be trifled with.

    Now that said, I really want one. I am also thankful that this was oversaw by Art, whom I think we can all agree took exceptional care of the helmet and ensured it retained its condition.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 2:04 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #34

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    We didn't need a mold of the real deal, because we all sort of felt that the ESB hero is a relic not to be trifled with.

    Now that said, I really want one. I am also thankful that this was oversaw by Art, whom I think we can all agree took exceptional care of the helmet and ensured it retained its condition.
    Help me understand this mentality, because I have seen it in a few people who have their ulterior motivations for feeling that way, but also see a lot of those, like you, who seem very sincere, yet conflicted.

    You say that we didn't need a mold of the real deal.... no? From as far back as I can remember, lineage has meant virtually everything to many on this board as well as a number of others. While we are stand in awe of those who sculpt and create things from scratch, many yearn for something that traces back to the original. The first I really recall was the "mystery" helmets. They were claimed to have lineage (although at the time we didn't know what) and everyone was clamoring for one. Then came the MR... scanned directly from a real helmet... but many weren't really happy with the fact that a scan is so imprecise. I remember, at the time, that many complained about MR using scanning as opposed to casting, but begrudgingly accepted that LFL wouldn't allow casting. Along the way, various iterations of the second prototype have been coveted by the few who could get them which led to the GMH project. Didn't need a mold of the real deal? FP sold so many he couldn't catch up for over three years! The selling point? That he was offering a helmet with as early a lineage as we knew from the second prototype... meaning... it was molded... and damaged by men who were absolute professionals in the industry. Even FP's most recent offering is due to an RotJ stunt helmet being molded after the ESB helmet was molded the first time.... so a double molding of pieces from the original production!

    Yet suddenly, when the holy grail that so many have wished and longed for is provided in the cleanest way possible... people have mixed feelings... as if it never occurred to them what would be required to make this possible.

    As I have said before, the ESB helmet has already been cast, during the making of RotJ... so it had already been vetted as an item that could endure the casting process and eFX spent an entire day ensuring that every precaution was taken to make the casting process as safe as possible, so I am not sure why some are expressing their regret, as this isn't the first time this helmet has been molded.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 2:25 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #35

    I guess I liked the thought of having a helmet molded from the original pp2, and the actual hero helmets being something untouchable. I like the fact that Boba Fett was a strange character injected into the film with no knowledge of how beloved he would become. People love him for more than the look. They love him for the mystery and intrigue. I like that about his original role. Don't get me wrong. I want one of these helmets because of their lineage, but I also totally enjoy the mystery and creativity involved with making a Boba Fett without the ease some of the other suits have (stormtroopers for one).

    I guess I feel a bit torn. I love the idea of owning one, but I am a bit saddened by the fact that we CAN own one, hahaha. And I totally agree with you about it being about the journey, not the destination. I didn't mean to come off in a weird way. I guess we all just love the thrill of not knowing all there is to know about this suit.

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    Also, keep in mind we did not get the awe inspiring experience of touching the ESB hero helm
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    Jul 23, 2013, 2:49 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #36

    Don't worry. You didn't come off weird. Just trying to understand the mentality behind those who feel the way you do.

    And don't get me wrong... I too feel a touch of emptiness and a bit of "what now?" But... we still have armor to track down... a jetpack... soft parts. Lot of challenges and obstacles to overcome before we reach the end of this very long journey. This is but one step!



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    I guess I liked the thought of having a helmet molded from the original pp2, and the actual hero helmets being something untouchable. I like the fact that Boba Fett was a strange character injected into the film with no knowledge of how beloved he would become. People love him for more than the look. They love him for the mystery and intrigue. I like that about his original role. Don't get me wrong. I want one of these helmets because of their lineage, but I also totally enjoy the mystery and creativity involved with making a Boba Fett without the ease some of the other suits have (stormtroopers for one).

    I guess I feel a bit torn. I love the idea of owning one, but I am a bit saddened by the fact that we CAN own one, hahaha. And I totally agree with you about it being about the journey, not the destination. I didn't mean to come off in a weird way. I guess we all just love the thrill of not knowing all there is to know about this suit.

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    Also, keep in mind we did not get the awe inspiring experience of touching the ESB hero helm
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    Jul 23, 2013, 5:53 AM - #37

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    I can't help but feel a bit of sad emotions. It's just my opinion but that thing doesn't need to be touched and behind glass. It's priceless. Now that someone has and poured a bunch of castings materials all over it, it doesn't seem as special, rare and mysterious. Maybe that's just me.
    You do realize the ESB helmet has been cast before, correct?
    Was the casting after the movies were completed?
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    Jul 23, 2013, 8:30 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #38

    So to understand the process, after cleaning up and sterilizing the mold , you made a second mold, pull a casting and send it to china for another round of production run molds. This effectively makes it three generations from the original with shrinkage in between each molding and casting stage.
    Adding in factory paint jobs as well.
    I appreciate the lineage but am trying to understand the direct from original moniker.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 8:45 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #39

    22ssplt said: View Post
    Was the casting after the movies were completed?
    The Empire Strikes Back helmet was cast during the production of Return of the Jedi in order to create the RotJ Stunt helmets.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 8:51 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #40

    Don't hold me to this as I don't know this to be absolute fact, but, my understanding is that the cleaned up master will be sent to China and multiple molds will be created from that single master from which the final helmets will be created.

    Also, I think calling it "cleaning and sterilizing is to misunderstand the process of creating the master as it implies details are being purposefully removed to keep them out of your hands. The master has the paint details removed because new paint will be laid down and it would be impossible to do so exactly along every line. Additionally, all the damage that has occurred between filming and now has been removed. It isn't so much a cleaning and sterilized as it has been prepped for production.


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    So to understand the process, after cleaning up and sterilizing the mold , you made a second mold, pull a casting and send it to china for another round of production run molds. This effectively makes it three generations from the original with shrinkage in between each molding and casting stage.
    Adding in factory paint jobs as well.
    I appreciate the lineage but am trying to understand the direct from original moniker.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 9:56 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #41

    Thanks Art. Just stumbled upon this, this morning.

    EDIT: LINK REMOVED

    From what they say an original mold is made, casting taken from it, that is cleaned/fixed and a new mold is created. A new master cast is then pulled and that is sent to China.
    Just trying to enlighten myself and others about the process. Thanks for your help.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:04 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #42

    I wouldn't put a tremendous amount of stock into what Cal is posting. He has spread a lot of misinformation about this project due to being upset about us deleting a sales thread of his on the RPF because he couldn't follow the rules, so in childish retaliation he is making a number of assumptions and bold statements based on resentment and speculation. How petty is that?
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:05 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #43

    Also, Peel, I removed that link from your post as I have little interest helping Cal spread his misinformation through our site. I know you didn't post it in order to do that... but we certainly don't want to encourage disinformation propagation.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:25 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #44

    Wasn't my intent Art. Sorry. Just looking from clarity. From my basic understanding of the process what he said seemed credible. Didn't realize there was a vendetta angle. I haven't been around the RPF that often. Thanks.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:28 AM - #45

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    Was the casting after the movies were completed?
    The Empire Strikes Back helmet was cast during the production of Return of the Jedi in order to create the RotJ Stunt helmets.
    Thanks for the info. I was unaware.

    If its to create a helmet for part of the Star Wars series or additional movies, I can swallow that. But if its put into archives and brought out so a company can mass produce it, I feel bad about that. I feel it belongs behind glass. This is only my opinion and I'm not trying to to offend anyone.

    I would love a used sniper rifle from Vietnam due to the history and and value....however I'm not gonna take it out and shoot it. I'm not really a collector.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:33 AM - ESB HERO copy???? #46

    I guess to sum it up. I like the untouchable status of certain props in movies. Now that it is, I guess it's like you said. What now?
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:49 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #47

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    Thanks for the info. I was unaware.

    Seeing the comments that a lot of people have made across the net, I think many are unaware that the helmet had been cast previously. What is really fun to watch is certain people taking shots at eFX casting this helmet, while they are currently profiting off the helmet having been cast before. Try to wrap your head around that bit of craziness!

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    If its to create a helmet for part of the Star Wars series or additional movies, I can swallow that. But if its put into archives and brought out so a company can mass produce it, I feel bad about that. I feel it belongs behind glass. This is only my opinion and I'm not trying to to offend anyone.

    I would love a used sniper rifle from Vietnam due to the history and and value....however I'm not gonna take it out and shoot it. I'm not really a collector.
    While I can relate from a certain POV, I also struggle with this line of thinking because it seems to run like this (and you are certainly not the only one to express it):


    Fans: "We demand accuracy! We demand accuracy"
    Prop Makers: "Here are some very accurate helmets for you to buy."
    Fans: "Thank you. Those are nice and we will buy them for now, but we want MORE accuracy!"
    eFX: "Here you go. Cast right off the original, just as you always wanted."
    Fans: "Ummm... wow... I don't know. I can't deny that this is the most accurate that I will ever own, but just in this moment, I have realized I don't want to OBTAIN accuracy but want to PURSUE accuracy. Ummm..."
    Fans: "We demand the unending pursuit of accuracy but also demand that it always be unobtainable!"
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    Jul 23, 2013, 10:49 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #48

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    Wasn't my intent Art. Sorry. Just looking from clarity. From my basic understanding of the process what he said seemed credible. Didn't realize there was a vendetta angle. I haven't been around the RPF that often. Thanks.
    Totally understood and I know you didn't mean any ill will.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 11:16 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #49

    Art I dont think anyone will dispute that they WANT this helmet...isnt that undeniable? I think the questions of when will we see it, how much will it cost, how close to the original helmet will it be in size (will there be any shrinkage)...what materials will be used, what visor will be used, what lights will be used in the RF. ALOT of people here USE their helmets, they dont just stick them on a shelf to be in awe of. Some collectors will do that, and will want the licensed helmet. Just like the MR...for the name its like owning a pair of OG Jordans new in box...theyre priceless. This helmet if it makes it through production will be something similar one day, priceless... But god knows you wouldnt put them on your feet and walk around in them. So I guess if the helmet comes out and is a perfect replica of the helmet in Empire many people will want it... but with a sizable price tag more then likely due to the pedigree it has, how many will be able to afford it and use it for such purposes as trooping? If its comparable in price to building a helmet maybe, but really it'll be more of a collectors item and worth more if it was not worn...so where does that leave the guy with the lid.
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    Jul 23, 2013, 11:18 AM - Re: ESB HERO copy???? #50

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    Fans: "We demand the unending pursuit of accuracy but also demand that it always be unobtainable!"
    Yes. This.

    As far as I'm concerned, eFX Collectibles can SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.

    Since lineage is so important to us, let me know if I've got this straight...

    Screen-used ESB: Second generation
    eFX Helmet (as diplayed at Comic-Con): Third generation
    eFX mass-produced helmets: Third, possibly fourth generation (depending on the process used by the overseas facility)

    Will eFX be shipping a helmet overseas for a new mold to be made? Or will they ship the mold that eFX made at Lucasfilm?

    Any information will be appreciated.

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