Debate of EVO3s shirt design

dont think EVO was tryin to say that you personally ARE a recaster. It is merely implying that the 501 is supporting recasting by it conspicuous lack of action. the 501 has an opportunity to set a standard, to protect its makers, to encourage its members to avoid recasters - but doesnt. I just dont understand.

From what it looks like, the RL already set the standard for kicking people out who recast. Seems more like EVO and some others just want the 501st to take the same stance so there's more of an even keel.

What it boils down to in my opinion is that the 501st should go the way of taking a proactive stance in punishing recasters that members can prove solidly. This way, the legion council doesn't have to spin it's wheels policing, but can conduct investigations based on evidence.

The policing IMHO should always lie with the members of the organization. If they want a strong and honest club then it's up to them to protect it. However it's the council's responsibility to create healthy policies as well as enforce them when needed.
 
NOvall - I couldnt agree more. IN fact - the policing by the membership already goes on I feel. But then even when info is presented up; no action is taken. Which I feel is what is wrong with the current stance.

ok so EVO's point wasnt very subtley made, but it was made nonetheless. I sincerely hope J.kast peition to change the charter and stormtrooper guys recasting statement project are successful.

Nate
 
:confused If I cast twice off the dock, does that make me a recaster:confused

Seriously, I saw the posts on the 501st boards and hopefully the right people will take notice....
 
When I first got into this hobby, I bought a set of recast ARC Clone armor off EBAY(summer 2005, the modified ARC with the chestbox things molded in) I dropped $600.

Needless to say, I was pissed when I began to pull the components out of the box. The pulls were very thin in places, pitted all over, wavy and fraudulent to touch. Matter of fact, I ultimately destroyed the kit to get out of my hair and get it out of circulation.

It wasn't until then I began to realize that buying from reputable prop makers was the way to go. I have bought at least one item from just about each and everyone of you. You all have been 501st members (by the way) and I haven't been let down since.

What Gino was saying in his first initial post in this thread, is in effect what is called Guilt by Association. The actual permitance of the ineffective armor/prop building method known as recasting goes unchecked, and therefore ALL members become supporters by association. Not good policy because a members long term involvement in the costume club over time is completely hinged upon having a set of not only accurate, but good quality made armor. People need be warned like I needed to be warned 4 years ago. Awareness is paramount in a hobby that is expensive overall.

Without a strict policy or position against the act of recasting, you are not only allowing for quality components to be sidelined, but you are also allowing for inaccurate low quality items to enter circulation. There are too many negatives associated with the act, and therefore sets a negative impact upon the club as whole.

As far as the shirt goes; I think it has been effective enough. From a marketing perspective, the shirt shouldn’t run because once it’s in circulation it will hurt morale in the long run. I think the club needs to be smart and tighten up the Charter. I like Stormtrooperguys idea of posting a FAQ about recasting and the detriments also.

Good job EVO. Traits of a proactive commander. This has been a great debate to watch from the sidelines.
 
IMO, the 501st loves new members. Recasting that FX Stormtrooper every 20 minutes gets them a lot of new members, so I don't forsee them doing a thing about recasting any time soon.
 
After a few conventions or trooping events I assume a badly recast FX would be trashed. They are burning them out up front rather than looking out for a volunteers long term involvement. I rather spend $900 once in 7 years than twice.
 
I think what Gino was trying to get at (and forgive me Gino if I am putting words in your mouth) is not guilt by association but acting by omission. If you don't take a stand on recasting and allow it to continue you are in effect supporting it by not doing anything. Hence acting by not acting....
 
There are a few known recasters here in Canada that are 2000 miles away from me. On a couple of occasions people have been reluctant to sell to me because I'm from Canada.

The Canadian Garrison and the Badlands Garrison are about a 4 hour plane ride away. Yes we're both from Canada, but imagine not selling to someone in LA because someone in NY recast your prop...it's the same thing. :)

Oh yeah...thanks for recasting you so-and-so's, you've made my collecting/costuming very difficult at times. :angry
 
honestly this shirt may draw attention that would hurt us all....what if the real makers catch whiff of this debate gong on from us and say

"hey i designed that for Star Wars now these people arguing on who made what for their own use??!! how bout i sue!!!!"

inna way all of the propmakers re-casted in some form from the original props in the movie

we all know who the re-casters are and who are the OG's of the casters.... maybe the debate on this shirt is best forgotten and moved on
 
7602 hit it right on the head. and far be it to dissagree with a number lower than mine!

anyway, maybe the shirt shoudl say on front side:

This Shirt is re-casted

on back:

Support your local prop-maker

or something....
 
honestly this shirt may draw attention that would hurt us all....what if the real makers catch whiff of this debate gong on from us and say "hey i designed that for Star Wars now these people arguing on who made what for their own use??!! how bout i sue!!!!"

I guess youre not reading all the posts. Further up the page i mentioned that the shirt idea already did its job and i never even had to print the shirt. So this has already moved beyond the shirt issue.

And it would be highly unlikely that they would sue over something this small in scale.

inna way all of the propmakers re-casted in some form from the original props in the movie

I think you need to move on from this sentiment. You cannot recast a CGI image. What youre saying doesnt make sense.

we all know who the re-casters are and who are the OG's of the casters.... maybe the debate on this shirt is best forgotten and moved on

If we all know who the recasters are, then do something about it and help change the charter. Dont give the a wall to hide behind anymore.

BTW, thanks for the support James. Means a lot. :cheers
 
Andy,

Been reading on the 501st forum about what is going on. It looks like you have set into motion a change for the positive. I just hope it keeps going. :cheers
 
I guess youre not reading all the posts. Further up the page i mentioned that the shirt idea already did its job and i never even had to print the shirt. So this has already moved beyond the shirt issue.

That's good to hear. Glad that the idea of the shirt sparked some movement. Sometimes that's all it takes.
 
IMO, the 501st loves new members. Recasting that FX Stormtrooper every 20 minutes gets them a lot of new members, so I don't forsee them doing a thing about recasting any time soon.

So what you are saying, everyone and anyone should be able to recast everyone else' s bucket, armor, weapons, etc...?????
 
inna way all of the propmakers re-casted in some form from the original props in the movie

we all know who the re-casters are and who are the OG's of the casters.... maybe the debate on this shirt is best forgotten and moved on

Do you even know the difference between sculpting something from reference pics and pouring rubber over someone else's work??

BTW, not everyone knows who the recasters are, if you want a list, I am all for it - make it public - its alot more people than you think.
 
Do you even know the difference between sculpting something from reference pics and pouring rubber over someone else's work??

BTW, not everyone knows who the recasters are, if you want a list, I am all for it - make it public - its alot more people than you think.

Amen, brother!

Kody
 
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