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  1. Hakaider's Avatar
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    Apr 2, 2009, 10:42 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #26

    It's almost like they are discouraging costumes that aren't anime related, I can kinda understand why, but that's not the best way to go about it.
    Actually the anime costumers are complaining about it too, because the rules applies to a lot of their props as well. It's affecting them as well. The con's weapon policy applies to all costumes of all genres.
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    Apr 2, 2009, 10:45 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #27

    just another reason why I hate anime. Got a sword 6 times as big as you are? "Fine come on in", got a westar blaster? "stay out unless it's green."
    Their weapon policy also limits the size of big anime swords as well. This is in their video at their website. It's under the "Big Props" video.

    http://www.anime-expo.org/


    The costumer who was escorted out because he carried a toy assault rifle was an anime costumer so the con staffers don't single out as to which genre that the costumer is wearing.
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    Apr 2, 2009, 11:51 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #28

    I don't know how it works outside of the UK, but events - including a few cons - that the Galactic Knights attend here in Britain have somewhat similar restrictions. Often prop weapons are required to be presented to a Weapons Desk were they are checked over and certified as unrealistic and -obviously- not real.
    The Galactic Knights - and I can only speak for them not any other costuming group - have been exempt from these rules, often in part because we are invited to troop there by the event themselves - so they know we have various prop weapons on us.
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    Apr 2, 2009, 1:16 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #29

    LOL also "no signs" *** is this? no pointy objects, no signs, no guns, no metal objects. Aren't the above the requirements of Anime costuming? large pointy metal things and signs reading "Hug Me", "Healiadin For Sale" etc...? and the forum censors w t and f keys if used in order? ***?
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    Apr 2, 2009, 2:53 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #30

    Most Anime Costumers go to cons with exhibition katanas and knifes and wave them like if they were experts... Try hiting someone with a Katana (exhibition or not) you are going to cause a lot of damage and pain... That it's a real weapon... And they allow them without a problem... At least here in Argentina...
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    Apr 2, 2009, 3:23 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #31

    well if you ask me that really sucks
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    Apr 2, 2009, 4:33 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #32

    this is another ridiculous case of people that know nothing about guns or gun safety trying to heap their personal opinions of firearms/weapons onto the general public. These conventions really should be slapped. Did they even consult law enforcement or costuming groups before posting these bans?? The weapons/props are integral.

    What would a Doc Holliday or Marshal Dillon costume look like if you took away the guns? POINTLESS! Its the same way with and weapons themed costume!

    I realize that HUGE weapons and REALISTIC weapons (such as blank guns) should be banned, but thats a matter of common sense. Law enforcement officers can tell the difference between an AR-15 and a westar blaster. It doesn't even take a second.

    At least a little real compromise! Make all convention weapons have orange barrel tips. Make every costumed convention goer check in, hand their props over to an experienced security officer, let him check it over, and if its got a orange plugged barrerl/obviously cannot be modified to fire, then let it pass! Each person would take about 5 seconds.


    Its bad enough when I have to deal with gun grabbing bureaucrats that think an AR-15 is far more powerful than an Ruger mini-14 and therefor shouldn't be carried by officers in their cars. (Gun guys will understand my point. .223 vs. .223??? I had to sit down and explain reality to a state rep. ouch.) Now I have to argue with people why one fake gun isn't more dangerous than another!! SHEESH!
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    Apr 3, 2009, 2:27 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #33

    dankenman beat me to it.

    I've seen that AR-15 before and that is EXACTLY where my mind went when I saw this.

    Inspection is definitely the way to go. Banning all weapons that aren't neon colors is just kind of stupid. As has been ably pointed out, in that sort of world, the Stormtroopers will be boxing and Hello Kitty will kill us all.

    =p

    There's irony there somewhere, I'm pretty sure.
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    Apr 3, 2009, 2:55 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #34

    zip tie the triggers and call it a day

    the way that the security guy at dragoncon tagged my weapons was perfect. big hot pink zip tie across the trigger and handle, leaving the trigger fully depressed. totally obvious when holstered, easily concealed for photos.

    and these were realistic guns (a couple of models of airsoft mp5) with no orange tips (accurate replicas vs. costume accessories, so the orange tips would kill the look)
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    Apr 3, 2009, 3:55 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #35

    there are more than just the brightly painted AR-15's. If you search hard enough there are gun makers out there that offer several other Real, Brightly colored guns
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    Apr 3, 2009, 4:13 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #36

    This might be a pipe dream, but I guess the only option would be to just boycott such events and hurt them where it hurts the most: THE WALLET. And tell them why. If enough fans got together the policy would change REAL QUICK.
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    Apr 4, 2009, 11:13 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #37

    In Norway we seldom come across restriction such as these, on the other hand we have a little more thought through policy on owning weapons over here, so the chance of something like a massacre are a lot slimmer than in the US and some other countries.

    But, if an event or con over here were to restrict use of the prop weapons, I would not attend.
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    Apr 4, 2009, 12:31 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #38

    Quote dankenman said: View Post
    It is not mine, but this is a REAL AR-15. It is not a toy. So is this allowed at the convention?


    thats funny .
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    Apr 4, 2009, 2:54 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #39

    We are talking about The Peoples Republic of California. I am sorry but you could not pay me any amount of money to live there. When you remove the rights of "citizens" to own firearms you become "subjects". Its just the way California and other "Democratic Free Thinkers" are going.
    I am a cop in one of the most TERRORIZED cities in the world. Oklahoma City. We are reminded daily with NYC and DC what terrorism is. The media has portrayed school shootings and business shootings like the guns are the problem and that this is some sort of "New Crime Wave".
    People let me tell you, domestic terrorism is nothing new to the USA. Google "Andrew Kehoe" and Bath School Disaster. This happened in 1927 and most americans have no idea it ever happened. The media has an agenda like these anime's do. They don't want the non-anime tumes running the show.
    Just remember that if guns kill people then pencils cause mispelled words.
    Just my two cents from a ten year veteran officer from a major city police department. The world has lost its sense of humor and ability to think for itself...IMO
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    Apr 4, 2009, 4:23 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #40

    Just remember that if guns kill people then pencils cause mispelled words.
    Just my two cents from a ten year veteran officer from a major city police department. The world has lost its sense of humor and ability to think for itself
    Here, Here!!
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    Apr 6, 2009, 1:51 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #41

    It's LA. Crazy things happen there. Rodney King, N.W.A., Pretty Woman.
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    Apr 6, 2009, 5:34 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #42

    I have been keeping an eye on this topic and was just reading the Weapons policy for Anime Expo which stakes that you can't bring any form of weapon in BUT once you have purchased one from within the Expo it must remain wrapped and removed from premises. What freaking hypocrites! If this **** migrates here to Oz I'll consider leaving. It appears common sense no longer prevails in OUR galaxy any more.
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    Apr 6, 2009, 6:08 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #43

    The answer is relitively simple. IF your group - Galactic Knights, 501st, Mercs or however is trooping an event then have your command staff check with the organisers beforehand to ensure that you are exempt for the rule that applies to the general public.
    I don't know how it works for other countries, but here we "work" the event - so we don't pay to get in and we aren't subject to any prop weapons restrictions. Perhaps that's the way to go.
    IF the event organisers turned around and said to us "actually, you can't carry those weapons" we'd not attend. IF we had arrived and they then said that then we'd leave.

    Whilst it sucks that they are doing this to all costumers - it should be possible for those in various groups to get around these kind of rules.
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    Apr 6, 2009, 9:20 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #44

    Most of the time we usualy have to pay to get in....I know other UK groups do what Orthar posted above though. It sounds WAY better than going in as a single person trying to do something IMO. However, being in the UK, I'd think it'd be harder to get the prop weapons there in the first place.
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    Apr 6, 2009, 10:18 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #45

    Most of the time our clans check ahead of time to see what restrictions the event has, but at Orthar also states above...we rarely run into this because 90% of our troops are in a "hired" (you hire mercenaries right? =P) status.

    I personally have never been tagged at a convention, and I've never been asked by staff to get a weapon tagged at any con (DCon and SDCC included). I only pull my pistols for pics, and rarely carry anything larger than a pistol...so that may have alot to do with it. I don't care for the brightly colored tape on my nice weapons, and don't go out of my way for them to put it on. =P
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    Apr 7, 2009, 9:43 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #46

    The media has an agenda like these anime's do. They don't want the non-anime tumes running the show.

    Actually, the weapon policy doesn't single out any genres. The weapon policy singles out ALL genres, whether it is Star Wars or anime. If anything, the weapon restrictions are going to hurt the anime costumers just as much as the Star Wars costumers. (Just go to their website and read their policy. You can see that it applied to all costumers alike.) 501st costumers have been going to this particular con for years , but this new revised weapon policy is going to hurt both Star Wars and anime costumers alike.

    You can't blame the entire anime genre for this convention's restrictive weapon policy. Traditionally many anime conventions have always welcomed Star Wars costumers, and I can tell you that the Japanese are totally crazy about Star Wars.

    In fact, in Japan some of the costumers there have carried realistic looking props in the past at some of their events.
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    Apr 8, 2009, 5:04 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #47

    We are costumers...we are trying to look "real". I personally dont want to have to carry around unpainted nerf blasters or have my nice weapons covered in orange and pink tape...perhaps cons should have checkpoints before you enter to make sure that all weapons are safe...or something!!! Boomer and Django have great points... my two cents and IMHO...
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    Apr 8, 2009, 5:35 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #48

    Quote xfettx said: View Post
    this is a stupid idea. What's to stop someone from painting a real gun those bright colors? Put it in a holster and it looks just like a fake one.
    yep....


    i said the same thing about the zip ties even though i think those are a lot better than the paint...and more fair to people who are just trying to make the costume look as real as possible.


    i think stricter check points for weapons should be used.....and maybe people on the floor as well making sure everyone's prop weapons are registered so in case of any incident the center knows exactly what you took in.



    in the end....rules are just rules...if someone wants to do something stupid...they can find a way to
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    Apr 8, 2009, 8:35 PM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #49

    I can see why they would want to make such a ban... and well... as cool as blasters are, sometimes you just have to accept the rules. It's not like I'm going to see a stormtrooper and say "hey that guy doesn't have a blaster... LAME". I'll see him and say "that guy looks awesome". I think people are making a big deal out of what seems to be a non issue imo.
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    Apr 9, 2009, 5:41 AM - Re: A Convention's weapon prop policy... #50

    Actually I am of the opinion they would. Okay maybe they'd not say it's lame but they would want to know why the Stormtroopers are unarmed, and why Rex or Jango for example has empty holsters. When people expect to see it on a character they notice when parts of it are not there - even if they are not 100% familiar with everything to do with said character.
    I trooped the Download Rock Festival last year without my jet pack after one of the straps of the harness broke whilst I was putting it on. Loads of people notcied I did not have it and commented - usually along ther lines of "Hey Boba! Where's your rocket pack?" They noticed that (but not that my armour is not boba's! ) So they'd notice a lack of weapons.
    Personally I couldn't care less about Anime characters not having their huge swords (but then I have no interest in anime) - besides, I couldn't tell one anime character from the next and niether could most of the public. But stick Vader and some Stormtroopers or Clones out there and practically everyone on the planet knows who you are! - minor exageration. And in my experiance practically everyone that comes over wants to be shot, arrested or sabered for a photo - not exactly easy to do if some Jobs-Worth has said "No blasters! No blasters!"
    Get your group to get an exemption to the rule or don't attend.
    I've walked into jewellers stores in full armour and carrying more (prop) weapons then a New York street gang. If any place has a worry about possible real guns its them, yet all they wanted to do was pose for photos with us!
    Okay, America has far more guns then almost anywhere else, and yes someone could decide that their Stargate uniform for example, would look so much better if they took the real gun they happen to have or maybe even just the realistic bb gun. But a little common sense says that the first is unlikely and that a simple check by a member of convention security with firearms experiance would identify any actual weapons easily.
    What's next "Errr.. Sorry Darth but you can't bring that in here unless it's made of neon pink foam and squeeks when you wave it about"?
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