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Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

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    Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

    Hi,
    Last year i started a thread (http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/w...tionnal-44124/) where i tried to make a functional ammo Belt. During the construction, i learned a lot of thing and tips which helped me and with the great help of RafalFett i was able to finish my project.
    So i decided to make a tutorial (more clear than a WIP) for an improved version.
    This tutorial is also going to speak others versions of the belt. I hope it will be helpfull for others members.
    Comments, advices and critics are always welcome because i think that is the only way to progress.

    To make the tutorial as clear as possible, i will always put new documents in post #1.

    IMPORTANT 05/23/2013 : The templates of the belts use RafalFett Measurements . So it becames a team project between Rafal and me.
    Some templates will change to match with new measurements.

    Edit 03/08/2014 : Due to limitations, i can't post all the pics on the same post. So i'll post each new documents on a separate post with the number marked on post #1.


    This is JPG version (PDF will follow in both A4 and Letter formats when i shall be sure that no correction will be necessary).

    cover-jpgsection-1-jpg
    Supertrooper

    (final version)
    Prepro#1

    (final version)

    Prepro#2

    (on hold)
    Prepro#3

    (final version)

    ESB

    (final version)
    ROTJ

    (final version)
    ROTJ SE

    (final version)
    See post #53
    See Post #49 See post #62 See post #59 esb-belt-summary-jpg rotj-belt-summary-jpg rotj-se-belt-summary-jpg
    esb-belt-description-ref-pics-jpg rotj-belt-description-ref-pics-jpg rotj-se-belt-description-ref-pics-jpg
    esb-belt-scaled-jpg rotj-belt-scaled-jpg rotj-se-belt-scaled-jpg
    esb-pouch-measurements-jpg rotj-pouch-measurements-jpg rotj-se-pouch-measurements-jpg
    esb-belt-ends-jpg rotj-belt-ends-jpg rotj-se-belt-ends-jpg

    Sketchup file

    Sketchup file
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails rotj-se-belt-measurements-3-jpg   esb-pouch-measurements-jpg  
    Last edited by StrumFett; Mar 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    I think this will be an epic thread and I can't wait to see all the ammo belt and ammo pouch types!

    Just to ease your work a bit, the Pre-Pro #3 and ESB ammo belt and ammo pouches looks the same (like most of the soft parts), while the ammo belt (without the ammo pouches) present in the MoM, DaG and SWtE exibits is the reused Supertrooper/Pre-Pro #1 ammo belt put upside down (and not the one from the AoSW/C-IV exibits; that might be one of the early Supertrooper prototype belts):

    pp1-rotj-ammo-belt-01-jpg pp1-rotj-ammo-belt-02-jpg

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Hi Rafal !
    Great infos again ! I think i will need your advices again...

    This is a first drawing of the ROTJ belt. Dimensions aren't respected.
    rotj-belt-overview-jpg

    Do you think i'm right?

    I've 2 questions on the belt :
    question-rotj-belt-jpg

    I'm working on the pouches to see if the measurements are the same than ESB.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    StrumFett said: View Post
    Hi Rafal !
    Great infos again ! I think i will need your advices again...

    This is a first drawing of the ROTJ belt. Dimensions aren't respected.
    rotj-belt-overview-jpg

    Do you think i'm right?
    You must use the Pre-Pro #1 images of the ammo belt to replicate the ROTJ belt:

    pp1-ammo-belt-jpg

    But remember that you must use the belt upside down. The 2 parts sewn together in your image is the one that is between the 2nd and the 3rd ammo pouches from the left (but possibly hidden under the 2nd pouch).

    StrumFett said: View Post
    I've 2 questions on the belt :
    question-rotj-belt-jpg

    I'm working on the pouches to see if the measurements are the same than ESB.
    I say that the ammo pouches are the same but were assembled a bit different. The belt's width is around 66mm (the same as the ESB belt) and the length is somewhere in the 1.2m (or 1200mm) value.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Thanks Rafal !
    This is a modified version of the drawing
    rotj-belt-jpg

    Due to the lenght of the belt i can't draw it completely.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    StrumFett said: View Post
    Thanks Rafal !
    This is a modified version of the drawing
    rotj-belt-jpg

    Due to the lenght of the belt i can't draw it completely.
    That stitch on the right side is actually a double stitch:

    rotj-belt-double-stitch-jpg

    The right side end is wrong because the margins should taper to the inside. Here is a quick drawing of both sides for you:

    pp1-rotj-ammo-belt-template-a4-jpg

    Print it with the fit to page option and check if the printed ruler matches your real ruler, then you'll have all the measurements you need. I'm not 100% sure about the inner seam lines around the 8 grommets, but it looks like there is something with that form.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Fantastic RaFal! You're too kind.
    I will take the time to make a good job and i'll post finished documents when ready.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Hi,
    I've finished (i hope) ROTJ belt. Some of measurements (like the 2 sewings in the middel of the left side) are difficult to find.
    Here's a comparison test and i found the diameter of grommets :
    rotj-belt-comparison-jpg
    So her's the documents :
    rotj-belt-description-jpgrotj-belt-measurements-jpg

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Update :
    1- Change presentation of the documents :
    + Delete Belt overview and add scale view of the belt (more clear).
    + Add ref pics
    + Add more information

    2- On ESB document :
    + sewing on the belt is at 0,3mm from the edge (and not 0,5 mm)
    + Add the 2 ends of the belt scaled 1:1

    That's all. If you think that something is missing please feel free to say it.

    Now i'm working to do the same in ROTJ belt and starting the Prepro#1's one.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    The ESB ammo belt is reversed; the end with the grommets is on the left and not the right side.

    Just a recommendation: you could post the ammo belts and ammo pouches of the different suits vertically and not horizontally, this way the visual view will be more pleasant and well organized.

    Keep up the great work!

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Update :
    + repaired error on ESB belt scaled (inversion left/ right side)
    + Changed display of the belts horizontally -> vertically

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Update Post#1 :
    + ROTJ achieved
    + First page for all the other ones

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Some researches on PP1 belt
    It seems that the belt was put in front of behind and 2 differents pouches were used.
    Original : You see grommets on the right
    pp1-ammo-belt-2-jpg

    Here it seems that they are in front
    grommet-location-jpg

    On the first pics, you can see on the left 2 differents parts assembled to make the belt. The connection is behind on the color pic.
    pp1-back-jpg

    Also, it seems to have 2 differents pouches. On the right the same than ESB. On the left the pouches seems wider and have less thick. Working to find their measurements .
    Last edited by StrumFett; May 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    -Correction made on the last image on post above.

    -Update post #1 with pouches measurements
    + MK1 identical as ESB pouches
    + MKII for the others
    Last edited by StrumFett; May 17, 2013 at 3:15 PM.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Update post #1 with PP1 belt scaled
    Have to correct an error on ROTJ belt (belt too wide for the scale)

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Correction made for the ROTJ belt
    Section 2 : Making the pouches is on the bench :
    + making functionnal (with earth magnet) and non functionnal pouches step by step
    + patterns 1:1 for the leather layer
    + materials, equipment needed, tips...

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    ROTJ SE Belt done

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    FANTASTIC....thank you Strum!!

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    ThePhantom said: View Post
    FANTASTIC....thank you Strum!!
    Thanks a lot Phantom!

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Just some corrections:

    The ROTJ SE has 14 ammo pouches while the ammo belt has a cream-colored and not black velcro:

    rotj-se-ammo-pouches-jpg rotj-se-cream-colored-velcro-jpg

    As with the Pre-Pro #1 ammo pouches, I don't think that there are 2 types, at least not shape wise. Maybe they used material (leather or vinyl) with different thickness (and heavy weathering), this is why some of them look different.

    I'm not quite understand this image:

    StrumFett said: View Post
    Here it seems that they are in front
    grommet-location-jpg
    The left side is correct, I think there are 2 grommets hidden under that end of the ammo belt, but the right image where the arrow points under the belt pouch, there's no grommet there; it's just the end of the belt:

    pp1-ammo-belt-attachment-jpg

    Note that I used your images to do the comparison.

    You did a great job with your research and I love what you did so far. I know that I said in my Misc Templates and Blueprints thread that I will post my ESB ammo belt and pouch templates, but seeing what you did here, I think it will be better to not compete with your project. PM incoming with my research...

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2

    Hi Raf
    you are really a great man!
    I'm honored by your confidence and i'll try to give justice to your work.
    I'm working on some changes on the documents to include more infos.
    thanks again

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

    Notice add in post #1

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

    This is a great project, I applaud the work you are both doing.

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

    Hi,
    I'm currently working on a 3D model of the belt. I discovered Sketchup few days ago. It was the first time i used it. This is a first try with a pouch .
    esb-pouch2-pngesb-pouch-png.
    I hope to make an entire belt and attach the file with others documents.

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    ZolarKresh said: View Post
    This is a great project, I applaud the work you are both doing.
    Thanks !

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    Re: Tutorial : Ammo Belts V2 (with RafalFett templates)

    I love it! Everything looks great!

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