Official: Scope Mount Thread

[bobasfett]

Have been working on this all metal HS Fett rifle for a while and was comparing it to the few pics we have. I know, its a work in progress. Still don't have my plastic rods or split plugs attached. I've got a question....is the end clamp (closest to the MPP) actually clamped to the MPP?? My dimensions look off...like it needs to be moved down (I've currently got my clamp at the end of the webley). I wonder if thats how they kept the MPP in place.

Before anyone asks...here's scoop on all the parts. The clamps are regular Home Depot screw clamps with heat shrink tubes covering the bands. The heat shrink tubes are used to cover soldered electrical connections...these are also available at home depot. The risers that the plug connectors are glued/attached to were hand built from sintra. The scope mounts to a standard dovetail scope rail (available from Brownells), obviously cut down.

Let me know what you think...along with the question posed above. Thanks!!

As always...thanks to Wackychimps pic hosting!!!!









Here's a few close ups on the mounts...

[Hand-Schaub]

Nice to see a few of these project emerging. Nice work so far... makes me want to re-do my clamping.

I believe the clamp was on the Webley Barrel itseld as you have done. On a real Webley the tube (although snug) slides far down as well (at least the tube I had) Prhaps a stopper inside the barrel would help?

[bobasfett]

Hmmm....the more I look at the actual pic, the more I think that clamp is on the MPP. I hope some more people take a look at this.

Yes, on a real webley, the MPP does slide in the barrel rather freely. I'm not quite sure what I will do when I get that one started. I did this one for my Halloween costume, which of course I did not finish in time.

[phantomfett]

If you really want to drive your eyeballs batty, check out all the pics in this thread: http://tdh.prop-planet.com/viewtopic...c=1463&forum=5.

In some of the pics, it looks like it's clamped to the MPP, but in a few others, I'd swear the spacing looks different from the front end of the gun, and it looks like there is Webley barrel under the clamp. Of course, I'm getting old now, and my eyes aren't as good as they once were.

[Well Paid Killer]

Ya know man, when I first started reading your post I thought you might be nuts. Then again, this is something I have always had the same problem with. After looking around at quite a few pics I think you may actually be on to something. Your spacing is definitely off a little on yours but theres nowhere else for your clamps to go. If you look at the reference you can see that the length of the barrel does look like it should cut off right behind the clamp (overall size wise). The clamp itself looks like its built up to almost give the illusion that the barrel is longer and not just a clamp on the MPP.


Theres an awful lot of room especially how far down the first clamp is.


Either you hit the nail on the head or that Webley used in film had a longer barrel.

Well, either way, absolutely great looking rifle nevertheless!

[phantomfett]

Upon further review, it is clamped to the MPP. Based on WPK's red line on the barrel in that pic, that is the length of the Webley barrel. There is a groove visible behind the clamp at the front of the scope whereas the clamp at the back of the scope is clearly on top of the Webley barrel. See how it's raised, but the bottom of the front clamp is kind of flush with the Webley barrel? If it were around the Webley, it would not be flush like that.

[Well Paid Killer]

If you think about it, thats exactly how they got the MPP to stay in place. Its the first clamp that holds everything together. The second MPP clamp does just that, keeps a hold of the MPP.

[phantomfett]

Oooo....good call on the clamp holding it all together WPK!

[bobasfett]

Yep..thats the way I'm leaning as well. As was stated above, the clamp on the MPP end is not raised from the Webley barrel at all; it is flush with the Webley barrel which means it must be on the MPP. I'll make some adjustments and post pics. Thanks for the input guys....

[Well Paid Killer]

COOL man, awaiting pics!!

[Boba Freekk]

thats a GREAT looking blaster...one question reguarding the hose clamp heat shrink method: did you use shrink tubing that was slightly larger than the clamp and then applied heat, or did you simply just find a piece that just fit snug over the clamp?

[bobasfett]

I found some that just slid over the clamp...no heat. I'll try to get some updated pics up tomorrow.
Thanks
Rob

[Boba Freekk]

thanks

[bobasfett]

Okay guys....adding more fuel to the fire. I was making a call on one of my customers today and they had an old piece of equipment from Europe. I saw some familiar clamps...take a look....



Here is the webpage....

http://www.norma.co.uk/Englisch/produkte/31.htm

Apparently these come in various widths...looks like for our barrel size, the width would have to be 20mm. Do you think thats too wide?? The hose clamps on my rifle are about 15mm wide.

Oh yes...here are the updated pics....





I think its pretty obvious now that the clamp is indeed on the MPP. It still needs to be adjusted, but the back edge of my scope is now a LOT closer to the line on the Webley where the barrel meets the main housing, which is where it should be.

One note about mine...it looks as though the hole bored in my HS blaster is not parallel with the gun. You can definately see that my MPP tube points a little up. Not sure what I can do about that.....I will think of something I'm sure. Well, more comments please....

[Hand-Schaub]

wow - looking good! Perhaps if we find that the clamps are accurate enough we can do a bulk order? I had to do too much modification on the clamps I have.

the discrepancies in the barrel could be corrected with a sanding drum on a dremel. Usually it's just a small bump that throws off everything.. I hope

[bobasfett]

Thanks bud....I'll take a look at it when I have time. I know I'll figure something out. I am definately extremely happy with it otherwise. You did a great job!!!

[Well Paid Killer]

WOW!!!! I believe we have a winner! The accuracy level just jumped a bit.

[bobasfett]

Just thought I'd throw up some pics of how I made the mounts in case anyone is interested.







Hope this helps someone....of course now I may need to change them since finding these new clamps. It does look as though the originals were indeed wider than mine. Maybe the 20mm will work out......

Not to nit pick my own stuff, but it also looks like I need to switch my dovetail out for the tall version as mine looks a little short. Again, would love to hear some feedback on this.....

[bobasfett]

Okay...it also looks like there are little holes drilled in the electrical connectors too!!! Accuracy sure is a pain in the butt, but so worth it!

[BountyHunter185]

AWESOME!
You did a Great job and it looks to be one of the best ESB blasters we've ever seen.

Thanks for the pics on how you made the clamps also. It will be very helpful when we start making our blaster pretty soon.
Once again Great job.

[DL44 Blaster]

bobasfett,when checking out the bandwidth of the clamp website the 20mm version has the most order numbers...which one do we need to get? Maybe we could get a bulk order to save some cash?? Just an idea,but these are what we've been looking for.

Your rifle has motivated me to get cracking on mine.....

Steve

[bobasfett]

I am going to try to get a few to try out and post pics....that way we can narrow down the ones which are correct. The MPP is 1.5" diameter, which is about 38mm. But, it looks in some of the pics that the front clamp is stretched out a bit as well, meaning maybe it was a smaller diameter clamp. The rear clamp looks to be about 48mm.

Here is a pic to understand what I'm talking about on the front clamp. I've got a better one, but its too large to post using the pic server. It is in the other thread referenced above. Either way, a bulk order would be best, although this company is in England...and TDHers over there that might help would be appreciated.

[DL44 Blaster]

Sounds great.A bulk order got us all the awesome plug connectors from UK,so maybe this could be of similar ends. I know I'll need two

Steve

[Tyler Durden]

Looks like there is something different going on the rear clamp.



Also doesn't look like they included the screw on the front clamp mount. In fact, I don't I even see a hole for a screw.

[bobasfett]

I hope more people chime in here.....Im not 100% sure that the clamps even have a screw or bolt. I believe there was a consensus that the second pic you posted was edited to remove the background and that they may have deleted some of the clamp. ????

I think it was also decided that there was some sort of screw clamping assembly. Again, I'm really not sure....it stinks we don't have better pics of this blaster.

[DL44 Blaster]

mid last year "steveday" and a bunch of us poured over pics and he had some photo enhancing/helping software that really gave alot more to the pics.Alas it's been at least six month's and I've been so far out of the loop,I couldn't remember what the consensus was if my life depended on it.I might have saved the pics.I'll look and see what I can see.

Steve

[bobasfett]

That would be great!!!

[Art Andrews]

Man, I know this doesn't add much to the conversation but I just want to say again that this is the coolst thing I have seen in a while! Great job! Kinda makes me want an ESB rifle now...

[bobasfett]

I have some sample clamps ordered from Norma. They should be here in a few days....I'll keep everyone posted on them when I get them assembled and detailed.

Also, lets keep the discussion open concerning the clamps even having a bolt at all. I think this is definately worth talking about, especially if we can get those new pics....

Thanks
Rob

[steveday72]

DL44 Blaster wrote:
mid last year "steveday" and a bunch of us poured over pics and he had some photo enhancing/helping software that really gave alot more to the pics.Alas it's been at least six month's and I've been so far out of the loop,I couldn't remember what the consensus was if my life depended on it.I might have saved the pics.I'll look and see what I can see.

Steve

I just found this thread - it's been such a long time since I found a good one to contribute in.

Last year I found a pair of stainless steel clamps that were apparently from a Cessna aircraft, but after contacting an enthusiasts group, they could not verify the source.

Anyway, the clamps (pictured below), are the type I believe were used on the front of the barrel and possibly on the rear as well - though the rear clamp also looks like a "crimp type" clamp, which has been crimped with pliers rather than the special tool.



At some time I'm going to run the new images through some Photoshop filters and see if I can get any clearer information from them - at the moment I'm building a nice solid workbench to make props on

Steve

[bobasfett]

Great!!! What is the width of your clamps?? I've been doing some rough scaling and it appears the Fett clamps are around 18mm....

Thanks
Rob

[DL44 Blaster]

Steve,
I found some of the "old" pics that were filtered in our old thread last year.I usually save everything that is good for building reference.If you'd like I can email 'em to you to make some comparisons.

Steve

[bobasfett]

Sure, I'd love to see some extra pics. Anything to try to get this as accurate as possible.

Thanks
Rob

[Captain4434]

kick *** job on the ESB blaster. Lokks great, I'm doing something similiar, I don't have the cash right now for a nice and neat kit like everyone else. What I'm working on is more of a custome EE-3 modeled after the ESB rifle, keep up the great work, I'm impressed!

[DL44 Blaster]

I suck at posting pics as I've never been able to do it right Could I email 'em to someone to post ?

Steve

[Well Paid Killer]

DL44 Blaster wrote:
I suck at posting pics as I've never been able to do it right Could I email 'em to someone to post ?

Steve

E-mail away man! nosfermattu@comcast.net

[bobasfett]

POST THOSE PICS!!!!

[phantomfett]

....Please....

[Well Paid Killer]

[bobasfett]

Still have not gotten my clamps from Norma yet, but I have been getting questions on the scope rail I used as well as the clamp covers.

I got my clamp covers from Home Depot, but I cannot find them on their online catalog. So I am including a website of a manufacturer that has them. I believe they were either 3/8 or 1/2" diameter, so pic both up since they are cheap. Again, I didn't use any heat on these!!

The scope rail I used was the flat dovetail stock, part number 080-032-120. Good luck!!

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/sto...AIL+SCOPE+BASE

http://www.cabletiesplus.com/tubing.cfm?referrer=google

[bobasfett]

As far as the pics go, those were the same ones that were on the other thread (referenced earlier on this one). I'm still stumped on those pics as far as the clamps go....anyone?

[steveday72]

Just to note: the clamps I found did not open to the correct diamete - too large for the front and too small for the rear.

The band on them is 19.25mm wide and 1.3mm thick.

The tightest they'll close to is around 40mm or so in diameter.


Steve

[Bountys Hunted]

Wow! Been outa "online time" for awhile! This is great!! Great job everyone!! Wooo-Hooo! ESB Clamps!!!

I'm sure in for any bulk order, small order, medium order!!



-Rex

[DL44 Blaster]

bobasfett,I agree with your thinking a tall dovetail mount would be more accurate.I did numerous searches on Brownells,but came up with so many entries that I got tired of looking.Did,or do you have a specific part number for the tall mount?

Steve

[bobasfett]

Nope...none. I looked at a few of those pics again, and I'm not really sure about it being a tall mount or not....it looks like it may be an optical allusion, based on where the scope clamps to the rail. I'm still searching for it though.....of course I will post a link should I find it.

[bobasfett]

Okay guys....got the Norma clamps in and well, they are just too big for our project. I think if we could have found them with a thinner band and smaller bolt, it would have made a difference. Oh well....I'll try to post some pics by tomorrow. Onward with the clamp search!!!!

[DL44 Blaster]

AAARRGGHH.....And I had my hopes up so high for a real close clamp this time

Oh well,the search goes on.

Steve

[Duh]

Those pics are very helpful. Thank you for posting them. What brand are the scope rings? Are they the original rings that came with the scope? If so what scope are you using.

Thanks for the help, your input is appreciated.

Duh!

[Well Paid Killer]

These are an old pair of Studebaker clamps that I always thought looked decent. To bad they are to **** big...

[bobasfett]

Those are the kind I was hoping these Morma clamps would be. As promised, here are some pics painted up. They are a little wide I think and just too bulky. I pretty much get a band width of about 18mm when scaling and these are 20mm. Anyway, here they are.....

[bobasfett]

I found this one as well....a little closer I think.

http://www.jbugs.com/store/merchant....gory_Code=2992

Also found this site....they can make custom clamps if we can determine the correct design. What do you guys think??

http://www.clampco.com/products/custom.htm

[Duh]

Around your scope are rings that attach to the scope mounts. Are those stock? Did they come with the scope or are the crafted? Thanks.

Duh!

[bobasfett]

Hey Duh...they are an older style scope ring that I guess was available on Crossman scopes among others. They are a little hard to come by, so keep your eyes open. Good luck!!

[obi1kenny]

I’m working on my Fett ROTJ blaster and wondering what the scope mounting blocks look like. Anybody got a pic or a sketch so I can make myself a set? Or is it a found part that can be bought?

[obi1kenny]

OK, lots of looks but no help, and here I thought you guys new all there was to know about the Fett man.

Anyhow, I was able to get some help on the local level with this and was told I could share this. So here is a quick print a friend of mine had on what the ROTJ scope blocks might look like or at least something that will work fine.




So can anyone else give any more details?

[Dustin Crops Boy]

sorry Kenny, i'd help ya out if i had any info

I will tell ya though that i'll definietly buy a set from ya if you decide to do em

[BobaFettish]

If I had difinitive numbers, I'd share them with you. Spidey2222 may be the one to talk to.

[obi1kenny]

Thanks guys.

DCB, I have started making a few sets just off of this drawing and I will have a set with your name on them no problem. Oh and free of charge as well, just need your address again.


Been talking to Brak's and looking back at my Fett ref CD, lots of good info there to scale from as always. These sets want be dead on, but real world useable none the less.

[kurtyboy]

Those look just like the dovetail scope rails I'm using, just twice the height.

[obi1kenny]

kurtyboy wrote:
Those look just like the dovetail scope rails I'm using, just twice the height.

Yup, it looks like my buddy just drew up a standard mount with a V groove in it, then scaled the overall sizes to the plain blocks that are on the ROTJ blaster.

After a closer look at the Fett CD pics, the original blocks look to just have flat sides with no grooves. So maybe jsut just a square block. But this will work even better so the scope dosent just work it self loose with out haveing a lip to hang onto.

[obi1kenny]

Alright, I finally got a sec to get back over here and post a pic. I made up a few sets of these last week and finally got a pic. Anyhow, these are my easy and usable blocks, not all that accurate but the overall size is scaled to screen accurate size.

[Jango_Fett_Jr]

Aaaaah, this pics!
Any way to get those pics back? I am starting to build this part of my gun and I only saved one of them to my hard drive

[OZFettmaker]

the scope mounts are an electrical connector..y'know,one of those clear type of multi-pin connector......like the kind of things you see on a computer power supply........I'll go look for the part number.I think I still have it.......from memory it's a 6 or 8 pin female connector..........

[OZFettmaker]

It's a 6-circuit pinhousing,by Mate-n-lock.
hope this helps........
the serial # could be(I'm not sure,I bought a bunch of them years ago)either...eh-0810-94,or c-163035
these numbers are on the tech. drawing of them,so I don't know if the sreials are correct.sorry.best I can do right now.............

[MaxPlague]

Those connectors actually only appear on the ESB version of the blaster. The RotJ version is without...just the scope on mounts.

Good info though, thanks mate.

[BobaFettish]

Kenny, do you happen to have an extra pair of those? I've got the scope clamps, but need the blocks to attach them to.

[obi1kenny]

BobaFettish wrote:
Kenny, do you happen to have an extra pair of those? I've got the scope clamps, but need the blocks to attach them to.

Yeah man, I think I do have an extra set, let me count up how many I have and what is spoken for and get back to you.

[BobaFettish]

Thanks Kenny. PM me or email me with the 4-1-1.

[T-Bone]

Can you not just buy scope rails at Walley world and cut them down to the correct size?

[Art Andrews]

Just got in a pair of the correct scope rings from kurtyboy and made templates so you can make your own!



You can get a huge 600 dpi version here:
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/misc/...cope_Rings.jpg

Please note that the scope rings are mirror images so you will need to print out the template then mirror it and print out a second.

Here is an image of the end of the scope ring and clamp for ref on how to bend them once you have the pieces cut out.


Here is a comparison of the new scope ring with the tall clamp compared to the scope ring I previously had with the small clamp. As you can see there is quite a difference.


And finally, here is the scope, the way it should be!

[phantom viper]

Thanks Brak's. Now i can make a set for my sintra rotj rifle

[dgasser]

Wow that's great !!!

[Loranar_Fett]

Cool - Thanks Braks - yet another notch on your belt or bucket for that matter

If you had to guess, what type of material is that made out of. I was thinking Aluminum flat bar should work. That or some sheet metal.

Loranar

[BobaFettish]

Cool. I'm glad I bought a set from kurtyboy as well. Now if I could only find that scope (or a good resin copy of it)......

[Art Andrews]

Loranar_Fett wrote:
If you had to guess, what type of material is that made out of. I was thinking Aluminum flat bar should work. That or some sheet metal.

Believe it or not, I think these are steel. They are extremely heavy and do not bend easily at all. They are compltely unlike the cheap and light weaver style aluminum scope rings that we so often see today.

[Loranar_Fett]

Cool thanks Brak's - I figured as much.

Loranar

[Boba Freekk]

Is this accurate for the ESB version as well?

[lonepigeon]

ESB rings are the same.

Glad to see the correct rings are exactly the same as the regular Crosman ones just with taller sidebars. Now to figure out how to make new sidebars.
Brak's could you post some sidebar dimensions?

[phantomfett]

Agreed, is there any way to get these pics back?

[kurtyboy]

I saved these to my hard drive.

If anyone needs them e-mail me at kurtyboy@blueyonder.co.uk and I'll attach them with the reply.

[Fried Mon Calamari]

Hi all, newbie to this forum. Been lurking a bit and gathering info for my ESB that I'm in the process of scratch-building. Thought I'd finally dive in with a question and a comment. I know several of you from other boards, and gotta tell you that the info and ideas that you guys have put together on this baby is really impressive. With no exaggeration, I wouldn't be as far on mine without all the info I've seen here.

Now the question.

After staring at the pics of the barrel bands, this is what is what I'm seeing...



Going through all the posts and threads, it sounds like the consensus is 2 separate pieces, so am I totally off my rocker here?

[Hand-Schaub]

that's pretty much what I'm seeing! Nice rendering. Now, if we could just find the real world part...if it exists

[Fried Mon Calamari]

Now I know this isn't the part specifically, but I'm wondering if an older style of these might be something along the line of what this piece is.

[Laan]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what are those?

[Jango_Fett_Jr]

Oooh, that looks like a very good lead

[Fried Mon Calamari]

They're pipe hangers.

I've been looking around for different styles and that's the closest on so far.

[Laan]

Wow, really? I have never seen those.

Thanks FMC!

[Fried Mon Calamari]

Well, until we find these bad boys, it's scratchbuild time.

Here is what I came up with for my blaster.
It's ABS piping and styrene..




The main ring is a little thick, but it'll do until/ if the real piece is found.

[kurtyboy]

Pretty impressive!

[obi sean kenobi]

...

[Seven]

I was searching something else on ebay and I came across this clamp. It is not the correct one used, but maybe it might be a direction to look...



It is a 1968 Camero WITTEK 1 1/16" 4/68 hose clamp.

[Sixxgunn13]

Can anyone post their accurate ESB scope mounts!!
please:thumbup

[Sixxgunn13]

possibly a variation of this oil wrench?