Does anyone have a template for the Heiland 2-cell barrel extension for the Fett ESB blaster? I've a friend with a milling machine, I just need a template for the barrel extension. Anyone?
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Does anyone have a template for the Heiland 2-cell barrel extension for the Fett ESB blaster? I've a friend with a milling machine, I just need a template for the barrel extension. Anyone?
Me too, 'cept I'll settle for the length of the extension...
Thanks,
Phil
I guess that would help me too., wouldn't it?
Not to split hairs, but wasn't it a MPP Microflash instead of a Heiland? (sorry. it's in my blood after reading so many threads!)
http://forum.thedentedhelmet.com/vie...ic=368&forum=5
There is actually a little debate over a Heiland vs an MPP. Some camps claim the barrel is an MPP, that includes the Parts of Star Wars. Other camps claim it is a Heiland, including a prop guy who is reknown for his research and knowledge of the ESB rifle.
I don't know jack about sabers, so I think those saber freaks would be better at indentifing a Heiland or an MPP.
I may be able to get my hands on a Heiland Sychronar flash. I was thinking that it might work for the barrel of the ESB Fett rifle.
Thoughts? Pros/Cons?
for those of us unfamiliar with this tube - do you have a pic available? It may be a good thing to know for many.
I think that was once thought of as what was actually used (before the mpp claim) so yeah, it'd work. That's all I can afford to use, so that's what mine will be.
OK, I know I took the cheap route but I used a chrome sink pipe for the barrel extension. I still need to cut the 4 little notches in it but that's just a matter of grabbing my dremel.
Doug
I'll see if I can dig up a pic. I don't actually have the thing yet.
I think that there is some issue with the cut-outs on the sides--the Heiland has rectangular-shaped cuts, the MPP has oval-shaped cuts. I think that the MPP is supposed to be more correct.
IMO the MPP is what was used. Fett pics from the carbon chamber where he has the gun lowered, show off the oval ports in the MPP quite well. You can pick up a HK MPP quite readily from the RPF. -Mark
Yup, MPP no doubt. I know nothing about sabers, but I've heard the Heiland is a decent substitute if you are unable to acquire a MPP. However if you are going for accuracy, the MPP, or the HK MPP, is the way to go.
Okay, I'm a bit confused...
I just got my Heiland for my ESB blaster. I'm assuming I would
Remove the twist knob-
Remove the other small knob thingie on the side...
Now what?
Paint it black and put it in the barrel?
Leave some of it sticking out, showing the holes, and also the writing on the Heiland?
Looking forward to saying Thanks!
Well, that blaster actually uses an MPP, but Heiland is all I can afford tooI can't justify spending $800+ on that part (yet :evil).
Which Heiland are you using? I can't recall them having "knobs." But take them off anyway.
Don't paint it black...but give it enough weathering to look scorched with some shiny metal underneath. See below:
Thanks Max for the ref. pic.
The Heiland I got was said to be for ESB or Darth Vader's lightsaber.
There is a 10 sided "knob" on the bottom, that unscrews, like a flashlight.
On the opposite end, is a silver knurled knob ontop of a black plastic piece that is somewhat shaped like a triangle w/ curved instead of pointed ends.
Pulling this knob out doesn't really do anything, while pushing the inside of the "barrel" will cause the knob to push out, as the "diaphram" inside of the barrel goes inwards.
Does that make sense, or is it clear as mud?
The interior of the barrel is smooth for roughly 3/8", then it has a series of "lines" under it. It looks like it might be cool for the inside of a blaster.
The Heiland itself is chrome, so some painting would have to be done? Then sand some weathering...?
The barrel outside has "Heiland" in script- "extension" "shutter" "extension" in block letters.
Sure do appreciate the help!!!
Thanks!
The prop was a gutted tube I believe (except for promotional photos) left pretty much alone and just stuck in the barrel. Here's an example of how it fits in (this is a Heiland 2 cell):
I might not have had it turned the right way but you get the idea.
Ahhhh, I see it what to do! That will work fine, I'll unscrew the button thingie, and it will serve then to screw in a lanyard/hook dealie for the shoulder strap!
Cool!
Thanks H-S!
take care,
-Rex
Hey Rex, the shoulder strap actually screws into the butt of the grip and bottom rear of the shoulder stock.
Bountys Hunted wrote:
... I'll unscrew the button thingie, and it will serve then to screw in a lanyard/hook dealie for the shoulder strap!
Pic on the way...
Thanks Max!! Appreciate the incorrect screwing...!
Thanks for the pic!!
Cool info!
Okay, so just to be clear - Heiland 3-cell is for Vader's saber & the 2-cell is for Fett's blaster? Did I get that right?
I got a Heiland 2-cell flash gun recently in E-bay for $20 which includes the big round flash & some bulbs....will this do?
Mardon
This is what I plan to use -- is this the same one you got Mardon?
http://www.geocities.com/esbfett/flash1.jpg
You may have to cut and paste that; Yahoo! can be problematic about these things.
Cheers!
TJ
Hey TJ,
I think so its similar....or it might be the same. Dunno for sure, but here's the link to the auction I won 2 weeks ago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2932179330
Would this do.....could anyone tell me?
Mardon
that will do just fine I think. Either a 2 or 3 cell will look fine - just that you don't have to stick a two cel in too deep. Of course the real one is an MPP (3 cell correct?)but most of us dont have that.
I just was using a 2 cell because on some of the bronze repro barrels it is hard to get a 3 cel all the way in.
In a discussion on the RPF forum a short while ago, a photo was found that showed the ESB blaster during filming.
In the photo, you could see that the bulb mechanism was intact inside the end of the flash tube (you could see the inner spring and the hex nut at the bottom of the flash head).
Steve
Thanks for the confirmation, S-H!
I finally got the flash gun today and I was impressed with how well the finish is on this thing....it almost looks brand new.
Is there a tutorial how to gutt this baby?
Frankly, I dunno if I'm gonna use this for the ESB barrel or Vader's lightsaber.....but ofcourse, the saber used the 3 Cell.
Nonetheless, the barrel alone looks like a work of art
Steve - any confirmation on this? The bulb mechanism does look good, but I wouldnt mind either way....
Mardon
Whoa, even more info!
I was happy to have the inner "fins", but hadn't thought of keeping the hex nut innards as well!
Only thing that keeps distracting me is the "Heiland" in script and the Extension- Shutter- Extenstion on the barrel.
But, I suppose that's the way it goes...
I'm further assuming the "barrel extension" goes in w/ the middle set of two holes on top?
Thanks for all the help guys!
take care,
-Rex
I'm shooting for the ESB blaster. Any suggestions/advice, on how to connect the stock to the gun handle? Thansk for all your help. I've search TDH but, nuttin. Thanks again.
Well,
One way I was going to try was to trace the stock bracket pattern onto thin plastic, cut out several peices and glue them together until they are about 3/8 to 1/2" thick. Once sanded and painted, you could never tell that it was layered. Should be strong enough, probably even better than resin cast.
Or, you could just pick up thick sheet of plastic and just cut it out.
Just a thought. Hope this helps,
Chris
I agree. Do several layers and make them as close to each other as possible. Them glue them together and sand them down with a really rough grit paper. If you sand enough they will end up looking like one solid unit. Wood glue works, and when u are letting them dry after being glued....put them in a vice really tight, or else they will buckle and there will be gaps in the wood.
There is a member here who was making metal brackets, very nice ones at that. I have one and I'm very happy with it. Let me shot him a PM and see if he's still making them or not.
thanks Boba Fettish. Please PM me when ya find out.
Here's his reply:
Quote:
Actually I am not making them any longer. I had about 40 done at a machine shop about 1 year ago. That was their minimum to do the run. I only have 3 left and they are spoken for. I decided not to do another run because 90% of the people who might have wanted one have already bought one. I don't think I could unload another 40 of them.
I guess a simple no would have done though
Well .. . what would be the odds of getting a blueprint for it. I've still got some toolshop contacts.
I will try to dig up the blue prints I used. It was about a year ago but it was in CAD. If someone just wanted one, they could go to home depot and buy an aluminum plate and some blades for a jig saw and cut it out themselves.
is it really that easy? what kinda metal and blades?
If you have a jig saw, you can buy blades for around $2.00. It just takes a lot of patience and a good clamp. It doesn't hurt to have a metal file handy as well to smooth out the cut. If you use 1/4" aluminum, you will probably go through one or two blades per bracket.
Wow, I didn't know I could cut one myself out of aluminum! Thanks for the tip Spidey!
Did you be any chance send me the template for the bracket with the kit?
Cheers,
Bobo
No problem Bobo, I will try find the templete on one of my Back-Up CD's. I had to rebuild my computer a few weeks ago because of a nasty virus.
i doubled up on 1/8" sintra.it came out great and it didnt cost me anything.it took a little work but it was well worth it.it was less flimsy than i thought it would be also.
I can cast a bronze bracket if your hand-made one is less than you expect
Ummmm....someone with the flash tube correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves about taking the bulb release off (that silver knob on the black triangle), that's the only thing holding the guts in the tube. If you unscrew it, and you give the tube a good flick, the guts start to come out.
A Heiland and an MPP are two completely different flashes, methinks.
I don't follow sabers at all, but I believe Vader's saber in ESB was an MPP. I believe there is no product stamping on the MPP. It only had a name plate, which was removable.
Fett's ESB blaster had an MPP in the barrel. I'm not sure I have caught the thread were they thought the guts were still inside the tube. I'd like to see to link or pic where they claim it is visible. Off to search the RPF!
yeah - what tylerduran said...
tylerdurden wrote:
A Heiland and an MPP are two completely different flashes, methinks.
I don't follow sabers at all, but I believe Vader's saber in ESB was an MPP. I believe there is no product stamping on the MPP. It only had a name plate, which was removable.
Fett's ESB blaster had an MPP in the barrel. I'm not sure I have caught the thread were they thought the guts were still inside the tube. I'd like to see to link or pic where they claim it is visible. Off to search the RPF!
But since MPPs are so **** expensive - Heiland has become the 'standard' in the prop community. Perhaps when Parks makes an MPP replica we can switch over.
A funny observation I made the other day was that a 2 cell fit really snug in the bronze barrel while a 3 cell fit just right in the same barrel. Is there any evidence besides this that would show a 3 cell having a smaller diameter or are my tubes messed up?
Just to clarify the MPP 3-cell tube was COMPLETELY GUTTED.
I didn't see the thread at the RPF where this was discussed, but I bet the photo they had was the pic of Fett and Vader in the red hallway on Bespin. If that pic is reduced small it could look like the insides are intact, BUT what could look like the hex nut is actually light showing through the big hole left from removing the MPP trigger.
wasn't the Bespin shot a 'production' photo as well and they may have put a cap on the barrel for just the one shot? I heard that somewhere...
The red hall photo was shot during filming, the blaster is the final version. It's quite clear that the tube is empty. I have a big 11x14 lobbbycard of the photo.
The white hallway shots of Fett standing around posing have the cap in the barrel.
OK, Chris, don't be a tease. Share your picture to the rest of the class.
lonepigeon wrote:
The red hall photo was shot during filming, the blaster is the final version. It's quite clear that the tube is empty. I have a big 11x14 lobbbycard of the photo.
ah - thanks... I knew it was something like that.
lonepigeon wrote:
The red hall photo was shot during filming, the blaster is the final version. It's quite clear that the tube is empty. I have a big 11x14 lobbbycard of the photo.
The white hallway shots of Fett standing around posing have the cap in the barrel.
I can't find a heiland on Ebay for my ESB blaster :p
So I'm just gonna get a chrome tube and drill some holes in the end.
All I need to know is the thickness of the tube, and most importantly the outside diameter...can anyone help? Spidey?
Bobo
Here's a detail from it:
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/fettesb_lobby1.jpg>
Bobo, I don't have a Heiland, but an MPP flash replica, which I took measurements from...if that'll help ya'
Bobo wrote:
I can't find a heiland on Ebay for my ESB blaster :p
So I'm just gonna get a chrome tube and drill some holes in the end.
All I need to know is the thickness of the tube, and most importantly the outside diameter...can anyone help? Spidey?
Bobo
Anyway, I came up with <font color="#00FF00">4 & 3/4" for the outside circumference, <font color="#00FF00">1 & 7/16" for the diameter (going across the mouth of the tube from outside edge to outside edge), and the thickness of the metal itself measures in at only <font color="#00FF00">1/32". This might be all you need, but hopefully others will add their two cents to this.
Otherwise, it looks like,..ask for The Spider, and you get .....The Nerf!
Be careful on drilling the chrome tube. Wrap something around it as you put it in the vise.
When drilling chrome stuff, it has a tendency to start chipping away from the hole, around the hole, etc.
It's difficult, but you might want to try scoring the outline of the hole you want to drill - first, to try and avoid this.
Good luck!
thanks!
Hand-Schaub wrote:
I can cast a bronze bracket if your hand-made one is less than you expect
Anyone know were i can buy a heilend flash for the esb rifle?
I cant find one anywhere.
PLZ help...
I know there is a thread out there that has a pattern of where the holes are. You just take the paper, wrap it around a sink drain and cut it out with a dremel. I just have to go find it.
I'll shall return.
Ok, good news. I found it. But the bad news. The pics don't work.
http://tdh.prop-planet.com/viewtopic...c=6479&forum=5
oh well thanks anyway.
This is a different version (IIRC) I got a while back. I can't remember who made it otherwise I'd give credit for it. All I can say is I didn't make it.
Sorry I don't have the printing resolution for it, but a little trial and error'll get you there.
ebay can be your fastest way of snagging one. You might wind up paying more than you want,but you'll have one
BTW,the flash tube used was actually an MPP,and there are some nice replicas out there of these,but original Heilands are more abundant and MUCH cheaper for the same effect
I have the ok to post this form the owner. This might help some.
http://www.geocities.com/mhtaylor67/...d/vaderanh.gif
I thought a template would be easy to make from this. But my opinion.
the tubes are practicly identical, the heiland does have the name engraved on it but hey, your fett, your not supposed to let anyone get that close to you ;b
DL44 Blaster wrote:
ebay can be your fastest way of snagging one. You might wind up paying more than you want,but you'll have one
BTW,the flash tube used was actually an MPP,and there are some nice replicas out there of these,but original Heilands are more abundant and MUCH cheaper for the same effect
heres a link to a guy near me who sells the flashes, they cost around 50.00
http://www.blast-tech.com/products_cameraParts.asp
hmm, I didn't realize that John carried the flashes too.
I used a H 3 cell, with the square ports and used a needle file to round them out. IMO, it's a little more accurate than using a Synchronar since it has the ports on 3 sides and doesn't have the writing all over it.
===
I contacted John and he said that he doesnt sell the flash tubes.
in a vain effort to find people selling flashes online I came across a site where camra collectors started a whole forum about how apauled they were finding out people were taking these flash tubes and converting them into lightsabers and blaster pieces. they actualy had the words STARWARS censored on there site. i found it funny. crazy S.O.B's
Last edited by BobaFettSlave_1; 02-28-2005 at 05:56 AM.
Haven't got the link here,but buy yourself a piece of chromed vacuum cleaner tube,a dremel,and look around the 'net for "heiland flash template by john myers".(not necessarily,in that order
I'd post it here but he won't allow it,I think,from memory.
It's a template for the oval slots on the heiland.
Print out at 6"x6",cut out the slots in the paper,wrap around the tube and dremel away.......
Working link to heiland template now in new 'heiland template thread'.
Why would you want to use a Heiland template, when it was an MPP tube?Originally Posted by fettsupplies
IMO - It would be much easier to get a MPP template, buy a 1.5" chromed sink tube from a plumbing supply store, and cut your own tube with a dremel. I used my MR Vader saber to make my template.
MPP often used Heiland battery tubes in the production of their own flashguns. The pattern of the plugs are identical.
Heiland tubes have square holes and MPP are rounded. I do not think that all the holes are the same either, but to each their own.
other way around pal. *I my self am siting here fileing the round/ovil holes on my heiland into squares/rectangles like the MPP flash right now. my fingers hurt.
. its actually very easy to make them rectangles.
Maybe someone can clear up some confusion for me. I have been researching the MPP and the Heiland Flash units. So far I have come up with Heiland units with both oval holes and rectangular holes, but only oval holes on the MPP.
The Heiland units with 6 rectangular holes have 2 small »1/16” on either side center below the rectangular hole »3/4” down the tube. Also on one side there are 2 hole »5/32” in dia adjacent to the two rectangular hole on one side. Finally there are the two holes for the flash activation button on the back of the unit.
The Heiland unit with the oval holes has 3 pairs of oval located at about 3, 6 and 9 o’clock and a 7th oval located adjacent to the two ovals hole on one side. Finally there are the two holes for the flash activation button on the back of the unit.
All of the MPP I have seem have 7 oval holes as well as smaller holes above and below the ovals on either side. The holes below are the rivet locations for the metal logo in addition to the two holes for the flash activation button on the back of the unit.
So which one was used on the ESB Blaster?
Alan
The MPP, same as Vader's saber.
my heiland only has 3 pairs of ovil holes. it doesnt have a 7th hole
Well not entirely correct. Take a look at this thread I started, see Heiland Type 2.my heiland only has 3 pairs of ovil holes. it doesnt have a 7th hole
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/mpp-heiland-templates-7725/
I found a Heiland that has the 7th oval as well as one that has 6 rectangles and two holws in place of the 7th.
Nothing is ever easy, they like to keeping you guessing.
Alan
Last edited by wizardofflight; 05-27-2005 at 09:59 AM.
oh I know that there are ones with 7 holes but i was just saying that there is also one with only 6
I guess I missunderstood. So that means that there is a forth version of the Heiland with six ovals, so it is simlar to the type 3 version in the other thread. Does it have the two small holes below the ovals on either side?
Do you have any pictures that I could work from? I might as well try to come up with templates for all of them.
Thanks.
Alan
One step forward two steps back.
no there WERE no small holes. i drilled the holes and filed the ovilones into squares the other day. srry
Thanks anyway it was worth a shot. I gave it a try anyway, how does this look.
Alan
thats about right
Here's what I just won on Ebay.... now please tell me this is useable for my ESB blaster. I know it's not a MPP, but the price seemed right
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEBI%3AIT&rd=1
I'd say yeah...
Good score, it should look great. Nobody but a dyehard expert would know the difference.
Alan
kinda interesting. it has an extension that is for a graflex, if your gonna use the tube for a gun i will buy the graflex extension from you
Ive got a Heiland 2-cell for sale. If you are interested you can pm or email me. m.few.hui@gmail.com I am also looking for a heiland 3 cell so if you have one message me.
I have a good idea that you can use to finish your blaster. Many people is looking for the flash barrel, and there is a better way to do it than using normal tubes or vacuum cleaner ones..
If you look on ebay for fx lightsabers, they sell broken ones for a very ggod price. If you get the vader one (i think thats the one), you can take it apart, and get the metal tube. It has the holes, and as far as i know, it looks the same (if not let us now).
Regards
Madrid Vader
I have taken a Fx lightsaber (spare and broken one) and it works great. Same size.
I Hope this will help you
regards
Alfredo
Madrid Boba
Does anyone know in which direction the Heiland tube is attached to the barrel ?
The big hole on top ? Or at the bottom ?
Thanks for your help.
Despite the fact the prop used an MPP.
One pic I saw shows the big hole on the left (looking down muzzle, hole at 3 0'clock).
SAS
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