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That's exciting news Rob. Can't wait to see the progress!
Wow, both you and Gav will have your hands full with brand new little clones. Congratulations.
I'm not quite ready to take on a replica project of that magnitude just yet. :lol:
 
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In doing some research for the harness strapping and pack strapping, I've put together these two photo comps.

Here is what I've come to determine.


HARNESS STRAPPING
It is clear that there are two distinctive types of black harness strapping.
Per my comparison photo, there is the style 1 which is the seatbelt webbing.
Then there is the type 2 which is the scuba type webbing.
Due to limited photo reference, it is difficult to tell which versions of Fett use which type. I've tried to illustrate the known versions and show them in the comp.

Also, there are two types of divers belt buckle used. In ESB and ROTJ, Fett uses the rounded style, but the Supertrooper and PP1 used the angled cornered style (there is a very good chance that these are actually be the same setup though).


harness_strap_comp.jpg









PACK STRAPPING
I believe there is a good chance that the pack strapping (the strapping that is sewn to the black harness strapping) is the same exact webbing used on all the different versions of Fett.
It is common belief that the pack straps on the MoM and AoSW exhibit packs are white. In fact they are a shade of grey.
If you look at the ESB pack straps, as well as the Supertrooper pack straps, they appear to be a medium grey.
But I believe it is the photography that makes one appear lighter in color than the other. Especially in the exhibit shots where the flash might make the grey appear even lighter.
Hard to say definitively, but I'm a firm believer in that the simplest answer is usually the correct one, especially when it comes to OT SW props.
One thing is certain, they all have the same weave.
Some pack straps have rivets, some don't.


pack_strap_comp.jpg






So here is the breakdown of which types of harness strapping and which type of pack strapping each version of Fett uses.
It is completely possible, that some of these versions are in fact the same strapping. For example, the Supertrooper harness could actually be the PP1 harness. We just don't know for sure.
If any of this info I've shown is incorrect, please post here and show how it is wrong, and I'll revise the comps.
Here is the list at-a-glance for reference. Some will be marked unknown as I could not find any definitive reference. If you can fill in any of the blanks, please post here and let me know.

Supertrooper
Harness strapping: scuba webbing
Belt buckle: angled corners
Pack strapping: may or may not have rivets (it is not definitive either way from the one and only photo we have that shows this area)
However it is believed that this setup is actually the same setup as the AoSW and if that is the case, then it does not have and rivets.

PP1
Harness strapping: scuba webbing
Belt buckle: angled corners
Pack strapping: no rivets
It is very possible that this setup is actually the Supertrooper or AoSW setup.

PP2
Harness strapping: seatbelt webbing
Belt buckle: rounded
Pack strapping: has rivets
It is very possible that this setup is actually the ESB or ROTJ setup.

ESB
Harness strapping: seatbelt webbing
Belt buckle: rounded
Pack strapping: has rivets
It is very possible that this setup is actually the PP2, ROTJ, or MoM setup.

ROTJ
Harness strapping: seatbelt webbing
Belt buckle: rounded
Pack strapping: does not have rivets in the scenes on the skiff, does have them in promo photo (but I would go with what is confirmed on screen)
It is very possible that this setup is actually the PP2, ESB, or MoM setup.

AoSW EXHIBIT
Harness strapping: scuba webbing
Belt buckle: angled corners
Pack strapping: no rivets
It is very possible that this is actually the Supertrooper or PP1 setup.

MoM EXHIBIT
Harness strapping: seatbelt webbing
Belt buckle: rounded
Pack strapping: has rivets
It is very possible that this setup is actually the PP2, ESB, or ROTJ setup.

So there you have it.
So when it comes to deciding which style you want for your ESB or ROTJ Fett, all you can do is take the above info and make your best educated guess.

Maybe in the future some more definitive info will come to light, until then I would use this a a guide.

PS, thanks to kbrosseau for pointing out some discrepancies! (y)


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That is a great breakdown. Thanks, Gino. I totally agree about the pack strapping. It is a medium gray. I'm still looking for a better match on that weave.

Funny thing about the ESB fett, I have never seen a photo where the divers belt buckle is visible. All the other versions have multiple shots where it is visible. I am interested to see if a photo of this exists because I am curious to find out if it was painted like the ROTJ version or left unpainted. I guess if it was rounded and it came from the PP2 suit it would've been painted. Anybody see any pics that show the belt on ESB during production?
 
Thanks!
Here's a screen cap of ESB Fett on Bespin showing the rounded style buckle.
Thanks to kbrosseau for directing me to this shot.

sbroundedbuckle.jpg



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Rob is trying to get samples of the correct webbing for this harness but just in case they aren't what we are looking for, here are close up pics of the actual webbing with dimensions.

Whoever can find either of these would be THE MAN.

One thing that I've noticed is that sometimes manufactures can list webbing in general sizes.
For example their 2" webbing might really be 1 7/8" when you actually measure it with a ruler.
Other times 2" really is a true 2".
Sometimes you just have to ask for samples and see what you get.

If anyone finds some seat belt webbing with 4 ribs per the picture anywhere near the 1 3/4" - 2" range, please let me know.
I'll order or purchase a sample and take the risk.
Same with the grey webbing.

Basically, if you want to do an ESB or ROTJ Fett, these are the two types of webbing we need.
Here are the photo and dimensions:

seatbeltwebbing.jpg


packstrapwebbing.jpg




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It's good to see you guys are taking into account two of the more intimate details / differences of the harness set-ups...

1. The color of the two back jet pack straps I thought was always an interesting debate, are they the "BLACK" seat belt webbing like the rest of the straps on the harness and weathered to a gray-ish tone or are they the same "WHITE" weave strapping that you see on the PRE-PRO / ROTJ jet pack straps and weathered to a gray-ish tone???

2. The direction of the rounded portion of the belt buckle is flopped on the PP2 / ESB set-up as opposed to the MOM / ROTJ set-up.

Very Cool! (y)

:cheers
 
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Thanks!
We'll take all the help we can get and I'm glad to see that people are still interested in these research oriented matters.


Q #1
The straps sewn to the black harness straps (which I am calling the pack straps since they connect to the pack) are actually a grey colored webbing.
I am confident that is their natural color without any weathering.

Q #2
Yep, you are right. The buckle is reversible so you can feed the webbing through either side. I'm sure the LFL costuming people didn't pay very close attention to the orientation of the buckle.
I don't think it was even really ever supposed to be seen as part of the costume. Just solely a functional piece that would occasionally slip out from underneath the vest.


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Peregrinus has just directed me to some pics that has even further fleshed out this quest to nail down the harness strapping.
Thanks Peregrinus! (y)
I'll update the list accordingly.

Looks like rivets are confirmed on the PP2 and ESB pack straps.
And it looks like the shot of ROTJ Fett on the skiff does not have rivets, but what I think is a promo shot of the ROTJ Fett showing him having rivets.
If I were doing a ROTJ Fett, I would go with what is confirmed on screen, and that would be no rivets.

Here are the pics:

p2rivets.jpg


sbfettrivets.jpg


otjfettrivets.jpg




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Peregrinus has just directed me to some pics that has even further fleshed out this quest to nail down the harness strapping.
Thanks Peregrinus! (y)
I'll update the list accordingly.

Looks like rivets are confirmed on the PP2 and ESB pack straps.
And it looks like the shot of ROTJ Fett on the skiff does not have rivets, but what I think is a promo shot of the ROTJ Fett showing him having rivets.
If I were doing a ROTJ Fett, I would go with what is confirmed on screen, and that would be no rivets.

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Good Stuff, this is well worth the price.. thanks again guys for doing this.
 
Rob is trying to get samples of the correct webbing for this harness but just in case they aren't what we are looking for, here are close up pics of the actual webbing with dimensions.

Whoever can find either of these would be THE MAN.

One thing that I've noticed is that sometimes manufactures can list webbing in general sizes.
For example their 2" webbing might really be 1 7/8" when you actually measure it with a ruler.
Other times 2" really is a true 2".
Sometimes you just have to ask for samples and see what you get.

If anyone finds some seat belt webbing with 4 ribs per the picture anywhere near the 1 3/4" - 2" range, please let me know.
I'll order or purchase a sample and take the risk.
Same with the grey webbing.

Basically, if you want to do an ESB or ROTJ Fett, these are the two types of webbing we need.
Here are the photo and dimensions:

seatbeltwebbing.jpg


packstrapwebbing.jpg




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May be a redundant question, but where was the harness made for the movie? That would help nail down what to look for.
 
I'm pretty confident that the actual harness was a found item, most likely used to carry some sort of oxygen tank. Myself and others have searched forever for one like it but never came very close.
These were created in the UK and then shipped to the US.

As for trying to track down the harness strap materials, I would not look specific to country. I would just look everywhere. Wherever it is found, is the place we would be willing to buy it from.


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While I was working on my harness, I tried everywhere to find that strap material and still havent found anything. I found a 2 inch wide cotton webbing, then I washed a million times to get the correct width. :D
 
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I'm pretty confident that the actual harness was a found item, most likely used to carry some sort of oxygen tank. Myself and others have searched forever for one like it but never came very close.
These were created in the UK and then shipped to the US.

As for trying to track down the harness strap materials, I would not look specific to country. I would just look everywhere. Wherever it is found, is the place we would be willing to buy it from.


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How can you not be 100% confident that the Harness was a divers harness...its exactly a divers harness.
 
We can't say that for certain. There are other types of harness for things other than scuba tanks.
Until we find (if we ever do) the correct model and verify it's intended purpose, it is wrong to state that as fact, regardless of how likely we personally feel it is.


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How confident are we that it's some kind of SCBA/SCUBA frame? As has been said here and elsewhere, I've seen firefighters carrying versions of this to mount their air tanks for decades. What I mean is -- what else might be carried on such a contraption? Did US Diver buckles end up on non-diving hrnesses? I think it would be silly for a manufacturer to restrict who they sold their wares to just because it didn't fit their stated niche.

--Jonah
 
It is possible that the webbing was taken from a scuba harness and sewn to a fire fighters breathing apparatus, the size of the frame may suggest this. Or the buckle and other hardware were used with other webbing.
 
That was my thought as well. Being a firefighter in the Navy...

I went to work today and looked at an OBA. Green, not right.. but not bad as far as material. I took a pic... It came out bad. Ill have to do it again, as it looks like the seat belt. Only this is 2 rows, not four. Not accurate, but I think a lead.
 
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