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MPP vs Heiland

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Spideyfett said: View Post

    So what are those two notches I pointed out??
    Only thing I can think of is if the screw that held the shroud on the end was tightened a lot, it could have started a dent. Might have been to keep the guts of the flash in too. Just guessing though.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    I never said that you guys said a heiland was correct...

    nice photo. i have no idea what those dents/holes are
    Edit. just looked throuhh somore photos i got. they do look to be holes.
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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

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    I never said that you guys said a heiland was correct...
    Then why bring up the two most recent Fett "replica's" that I've worked on as part of your debate?...That's why they're called "Replicas", trust me if there were a ton of MPP flash tubes out there we would all be happy, but there's not...so the alternative is a heiland..close enough for a Replica, no?

    BobaFettSlave_1 said: View Post
    nice photo. i have no idea what those dents/holes are
    Well they're there, and I don't think it's a characteristic of the MPP as we know it, no?... that's my point.... Heiland vz MPP, no contest. But MPP? prove it...that's all.

    I think GBH brings up a good point, we need a side-by-side pic comparison of Pub photos/screen shots, the Heiland, and the MPP....virtually the same angles in every comparsion..............any takers?

    Trust me I want this settled too.
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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    well from what i hear there are 2 or more versions of mpps with different shrouds. maybe its from one of those other variations
    and i think thats what i started this thread for was to compare the flash's with the photos of whats on the gun

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    BobaFettSlave_1 said: View Post
    well from what i hear there are 2 or more versions of mpps with different shrouds. maybe its from one of those other variations
    and i think thats what i started this thread for was to compair the flash's with the photos of whats on the gun
    That's what I heard too...... where's lonepigeon, or ss when you need them?

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    This thread is now reopened.

    Please go back to and read this thread again.
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=30042
    Last edited by asok; Jan 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Spideyfett said: View Post

    The "hole" closest to the edge of the barrel end is where the shroud thumb screw tightens to the tube. Now that's only a drilled divot on the outside of the MPP - not a hole all the way through. What we're seeing here could be a bump on the inside OR what's supposed to be just a divot was accidentally drilled through the tube. To be clear the divot on the outside was drilled into the tube after chroming (exposing brass) and the bottom of the hole is V-shaped obviously from a drill bit.

    I don't know if there's any sort of mark or bump inside the MPP tube because I'm not taking mine apart to find out.

    The second hole with the red arrow is the top hole of the trigger/button assembly. It's for a slotted screw that holds the black bar onto the side of the MPP.

    BTW - similar holes are on the Heiland and can be seen above in the rotated scans of the 2-cell.

    PS - I should have been a little clearer about the 2-cell. The Heiland 2-cell is too short for a lightsaber and too short compared to a real MPP --- BUT, for a Fett rifle this doesn't matter because the tube goes into the barrel of the Webley (you just have a little less inside the flare gun). There is no cutting involved.
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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    I had a 2 Cell Heiland with the same holes, there was a small black strip screwed on through those 2 holes, with some sort of dial/adjustment knob on it, not saying that is a 2 cell Heiland by the way, just chiming in, love to see this cleared up

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    So does anyone know the length of the tube sticking out? I saw that WOF has a template for the hole patterns of both types, and he also has the dimensions of the MPP, but its the dimensions of the tube, not how it fits in the gun. Here is the link:
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=7725
    Still researching...

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    5"

    I am very confident about this. I have taken screenshots of ESB, scaled the width of the tube, and measured the length of which it sticks out of the blaster.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    That is the method that I had heard someone else do. They came up with 4.85 inches or something like that, (just under 5 inches). So I would agree that this is probably the correct length. I am actually kind of surprised that there isn't more info out there about this weapon?!? I should be receiving my sidewinder kit in the mail soon, and would like to build it as accurate as possible...short of buying a MPP if that is the correct tube.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Does the 5" include where the scope mount clamp sits on the flash? Is that still debated?

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    The 5" is where you see exposed flash tube.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Thanks for the info GCNgamer128. It still surprises me that more people dont have info on this. Maybe its because I love weapons, but the blaster and the sidearm are some of my favorite parts.
    So do we all "agree" that the MPP is correct? ...and is that just everyone settling with MPP because we cant find any other info to say otherwise? Im not saying its not, but it seems like because of lack of more info, everyone now is certain the MPP is correct. Im just saying it is still not a 100% absolutely sure thing?

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Just wondering, was there only one prop blaster or more than one? Could the pics be of different blasters? Art, Tyler D., RS, SS, Spidey?

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Just one blaster.
    It's absolutely 100% the MPP. No way it's a Heiland.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    I've seen some photos that people leave some of the guts inside. Is that correct? The photo directly above looks liek it's been gutted? I kind of like the "look" of the inside. Is there a "correct" inside?

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    looks like its 100% gutted.
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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    that's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation BFS_1

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    In a famous picture it looks like there is a white dot/greeblie in the center of the barrel:


    And MandalorFett has very nicely interpreted that in his rifle:


    But there is nothing there. It's the round hole on the backside of the barrel:

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Yea, I saw MandalorFett's. I really like the look of the tip. It clearly looks like there is something inside that ESB shot too... I don't know.. perhaps it's artistic expression at this point.

    My Heiland (I know... perhaps not exactly accurate, but it's all I've got) has a cool looking "gut" to it, but the center is a spring. I could add a rod to it, but I don't know...

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Darth_Nickel said: View Post
    My Heiland (I know... perhaps not exactly accurate, but it's all I've got) has a cool looking "gut" to it, but the center is a spring. I could add a rod to it, but I don't know...
    looks like this?



    I have two of these. I like it very much. Very sci-fi like. I think I'll get rid of the spring though.

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    yea, that's what mine looks like too. So you have a spring as well? I thought about trying to take the "guts" apart and replace the spring with a metal rod (like MandalorFett's).

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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    looks to me to just be the larger hole playing tricks with the eyes
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    Re: MPP vs Heiland

    Here are some blueprints I drafted up awhile back based on the MR MPP. Each face is based on a clockwise rotation. T=Top and B=Bottom to give a orientation location.
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