MPP vs Heiland

Ok, maybe these pics will help. I have Two Heilands and the hole pattern is the same on both. Above the slotted holes it says Heiland in cursive writing, and below the slots it says:
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So I took these pics, slowly turning the tube to give a 360 view.





Ive been reading that the MPP is correct, but I was able to attain these, so I did. I hope this helps us find out for sure.

I also believe the MPP to be correct. I have a heiland in mine, and although it is close, its not quite as spot on as the MPP is.
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ok got this puppy in today. this is an Vintage MPP microflash tube, ser#677. this ones alittle worn & the chrome is starting to go & will most likely need to be re-chromed. but heres a 360 veiw of it. the letters that are stamped into the tube are slightly smaller and deeper than the ones engraved into the replica above. on the side that has the circular holes. the first hole doesnt actually co all the way through the tube to the inside.

Well worse case scenario is you can pay 50 bucks and grab a MR Vader light saber from Walmart. They just recently were marked down to 50 dollars so I grabbed one. It's exactly the same as the pics that you just posted...

You know how SS is when it comes to details, he vouches for the MPP. I don't think anyone has any evidence to disprove it.

Good find BFS1

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng ... &Find=Find

well looks like the sale is over...all they have is the obi wan and it's 98 bucks!

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

i heard that the flash tube was bigger than an original on those mr FX sabers so they could fit all the electronics in it?


Edit: the diamiter on the real one is just a hair under an inch & a half on the inside

You may be right...what's the correct circumference measurement? I can measure the saber's flash tube in a few hours when I get home...

A vid on youtube I did ... 360 of a Heiland.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=O7_aEd_1IdE

OK, I have to ask about the "History" of these flashtubes. What were they actually used for, and are they still actually made? Is the best place to get them EBAY?? Lastly, is there one inside the ROTJ version, but just covered up??

its circumference is 4.75 inches

Yeah, the Vader MR saber is the same size. I thought it was 5 inches but you're right, it's just under...So my theory is right I guess. If you couldn't find a flash tube then just buy a saber and gut it...

Originally posted by Lucksy31:
OK, I have to ask about the "History" of these flashtubes. What were they actually used for, and are they still actually made? Is the best place to get them EBAY?? Lastly, is there one inside the ROTJ version, but just covered up??

They are used on the old style cameras like you see in the movies, used by the guys that would wear a fedora hat with a card that says PRESS in it, with the huge flash bulb. The tube is attached to the side of the camera vertically, and acts as a handle. It has a large bowl (maybe 8 inches across) with a flash bulb in the center, facing toward what you are taking a pic of. The tube has the switches on it that control the flash, and there are components inside that control the timing of the flash so that it goes off at the right moment that corresponds with the film. I guess the timing was much more critical with the old type of film, and the required shutter speed. Hence the name "flash synchronizer." I don't know of anyone who makes them currently. The only ones I know of that are available are all vintage from the 1940s and 1950s. Fleabay is a good place to look. I snatched up mine there, and got a pretty nice package from some lady:

I measured and the Heiland tubes have the correct interior diameter and circumference according to "BobaFettSlave_1" specs.
I'm not sure if there is one in the ROTJ version, I dont think it would be as necessary, obviously since you cant see it.

I'm not sure who is still debating this, but it's quite obvious it's an MPP.
Nice shot at the beginning of this thread showing the extra screw holes from the name plate as well as above that closer to the barrel end (a Heiland doesn't have that one either).
The other very obvious tell is the Heiland has the bulb release just above the center pair of slots - this leave a big hole and a screw hole which the MPP does not have (the MPP bulb release is above the trigger).

The turnaround pics in the second post are a Heiland 2-cell. It's a bit short, but works OK for a Fett blaster. It doesn't have the extra holes of a Heiland 3-cell. It also lacks several of the MPP holes, but you can drill those in it and have a decent alternate barrel.

Just grabbed a Heiland on ebay...paid a few dollars more than I'd like to have but not too much. Pumped enough even if it's a little off. It's the closet I could find for now!

Originally posted by lonepigeon:
The turnaround pics in the second post are a Heiland 2-cell. It's a bit short, but works OK for a Fett blaster. It doesn't have the extra holes of a Heiland 3-cell. It also lacks several of the MPP holes, but you can drill those in it and have a decent alternate barrel.

I was under the impression that I was going to have to cut about 1 inch off of my two cell Heiland? It is 7 3/8 inches long. I thought the actual barrel was closer to 5 inches? Does anyone know what the actual length is supposed to be? How much is sticking out, and how much is inside the other part of the barrel? I went back and rechecked some old threads that I saved, and nobody claimed the total length sticking out was more that 5 inches, and some say they had scaled measurements that brought it down closer to 4 inches? Can anyone clear this up? Also, every one of the old threads said the MPP was the correct one. I am still researching...

Originally Posted by dankenman

I was under the impression that I was going to have to cut about 1 inch off of my two cell Heiland? It is 7 3/8 inches long. I thought the actual barrel was closer to 5 inches? Does anyone know what the actual length is supposed to be? How much is sticking out, and how much is inside the other part of the barrel? I went back and rechecked some old threads that I saved, and nobody claimed the total length sticking out was more that 5 inches, and some say they had scaled measurements that brought it down closer to 4 inches? Can anyone clear this up? Also, every one of the old threads said the MPP was the correct one. I am still researching...

+1 Great question. I'm going to need to know this too when mine gets here!

well some people were asking for proof that it was a mpp & not a heiland in another thread a few weeks ago and noone ended up posting any proof when they said they would and there seems to be some mixed info out there that can easily misslead people IE the RS Fett you guys built has a heiland & i assume you guys also used one on the JB fett, correct me if im wrong. so i wanted to put a thread up that will help clear up the confusion...:/

ya Spidey i gotta give Art better pics to use for the Wiki

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

Was wondering the same thing..........MPP, pictures prove it.

There, debate done...so now someone post it in the Wiki.

Spidey - Maybe you could get a hold of real one, and have your machinist make em for sale.

I been looking for one. But I'll be happy enough to have a accurate alluninum one.

That's all I need to complete my Hyperfirm ESB blaster when I get it.

Turo

Can anyone provide me with size for the MPP, I mean overall length/diameter, slot and hole sizes and if possible positions of these slots relative to each other, replicating it would be quite simple on a 4th Axis CNC mill, obviously the engraving is not easily replicated but it depends what people would be looking for in terms of a replica

Can someone post a decent quality picture/s of the correct ( MPP / Heiland ) Flash tube before it's been stripped down in order to make the ESB Blaster Tip?

THX!

Originally Posted by Spideyfett

So what are those two notches I pointed out??

Only thing I can think of is if the screw that held the shroud on the end was tightened a lot, it could have started a dent. Might have been to keep the guts of the flash in too. Just guessing though.

well from what i hear there are 2 or more versions of mpps with different shrouds. maybe its from one of those other variations
and i think thats what i started this thread for was to compare the flash's with the photos of whats on the gun

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

well from what i hear there are 2 or more versions of mpps with different shrouds. maybe its from one of those other variations
and i think thats what i started this thread for was to compair the flash's with the photos of whats on the gun

That's what I heard too...... where's lonepigeon, or ss when you need them?

I had a 2 Cell Heiland with the same holes, there was a small black strip screwed on through those 2 holes, with some sort of dial/adjustment knob on it, not saying that is a 2 cell Heiland by the way, just chiming in, love to see this cleared up

So does anyone know the length of the tube sticking out? I saw that WOF has a template for the hole patterns of both types, and he also has the dimensions of the MPP, but its the dimensions of the tube, not how it fits in the gun. Here is the link:
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/mpp-heiland-templates-7725/
Still researching...

5"

I am very confident about this. I have taken screenshots of ESB, scaled the width of the tube, and measured the length of which it sticks out of the blaster.

That is the method that I had heard someone else do. They came up with 4.85 inches or something like that, (just under 5 inches). So I would agree that this is probably the correct length. I am actually kind of surprised that there isn't more info out there about this weapon?!? I should be receiving my sidewinder kit in the mail soon, and would like to build it as accurate as possible...short of buying a MPP if that is the correct tube.

Does the 5" include where the scope mount clamp sits on the flash? Is that still debated?

The 5" is where you see exposed flash tube.

Thanks for the info GCNgamer128. It still surprises me that more people dont have info on this. Maybe its because I love weapons, but the blaster and the sidearm are some of my favorite parts.
So do we all "agree" that the MPP is correct? ...and is that just everyone settling with MPP because we cant find any other info to say otherwise? Im not saying its not, but it seems like because of lack of more info, everyone now is certain the MPP is correct. Im just saying it is still not a 100% absolutely sure thing?

Just wondering, was there only one prop blaster or more than one? Could the pics be of different blasters? Art, Tyler D., RS, SS, Spidey?

Just one blaster.
It's absolutely 100% the MPP. No way it's a Heiland.

I've seen some photos that people leave some of the guts inside. Is that correct? The photo directly above looks liek it's been gutted? I kind of like the "look" of the inside. Is there a "correct" inside?

looks like its 100% gutted.

that's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation BFS_1

In a famous picture it looks like there is a white dot/greeblie in the center of the barrel:


And MandalorFett has very nicely interpreted that in his rifle:


But there is nothing there. It's the round hole on the backside of the barrel:

Yea, I saw MandalorFett's. I really like the look of the tip. It clearly looks like there is something inside that ESB shot too... I don't know.. perhaps it's artistic expression at this point.

My Heiland (I know... perhaps not exactly accurate, but it's all I've got) has a cool looking "gut" to it, but the center is a spring. I could add a rod to it, but I don't know...

Originally Posted by Darth_Nickel

My Heiland (I know... perhaps not exactly accurate, but it's all I've got) has a cool looking "gut" to it, but the center is a spring. I could add a rod to it, but I don't know...

looks like this?



I have two of these. I like it very much. Very sci-fi like. I think I'll get rid of the spring though.

yea, that's what mine looks like too. So you have a spring as well? I thought about trying to take the "guts" apart and replace the spring with a metal rod (like MandalorFett's).

looks to me to just be the larger hole playing tricks with the eyes

Here are some blueprints I drafted up awhile back based on the MR MPP. Each face is based on a clockwise rotation. T=Top and B=Bottom to give a orientation location.

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

looks to me to just be the larger hole playing tricks with the eyes

exactly

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

looks to me to just be the larger hole playing tricks with the eyes

I agree as well. I don't think there is any stem in the blaster barrel, although it would look cool and would hearken back to the auto blaster the supertrooper carries.

Originally Posted by BobaFettSlave_1

looks to me to just be the larger hole playing tricks with the eyes

that's pretty darn cool. Nice eye. I never would have thought it was the hole. I realize there was nothing in the balster (per the above pics, ) but the stem being the large hole and a camera trick... pretty darn cool...

Originally Posted by Seven

Here are some blueprints I drafted up awhile back based on the MR MPP. Each face is based on a clockwise rotation. T=Top and B=Bottom to give a orientation location.

Nice work, however I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong) that the MR replica is slightly undersized to the real MPP's? I just scored an MPP so will compare the measurements when it arrives.

Whether it's gutted or not, I'd rather have the innards in there, just becaues I think it looks cool. I'll step away from canon for that, but if anyone has a set of Heiland innards, please PM me

I thought my guts were the same as posted above, but when I looked at them I realized they were a bit different.


Sorry, but I don't want to part with it, even though I will be using a hollow barrel. I think it looks more like a lightsaber tip.

I have both the mpp and heiland flash i shall take some side by side pics at the weekend if you like.

I always thought the flash was the heiland and never even thought to check the mpp.

Interesting thread...