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    Jan 14, 2009, 4:09 PM - MPP vs Heiland #1

    ok. there still seems to be some debate out there on weather the flash tube was a Heiland, or a MPP. this thread will be dedicated to putting an end to the debate.
    this is a photo comarison ive made of why I beleave the MPP to be correct. ive numbered the key things that in my mind show that its a mpp. #1 is the hole from the rivet that holds the nameplate Microflash on #2 i beleave you can faintly see the top of the E on the flash. and #3 is another larger hole thats on an MPP. the B on the top of the larger hole is just to faint for me to claim you can see it.
    i dont own a heiland so i cant do comparison shots of one of those. PLZ FEEL FREE TO ADD SOME!!!!! but Every Heiland ive come across has the wrong hole configuration or is missing the name plaque rivet holes. pluss theres the fact that the name Heiland is streached across every flash ive seen and not in one ESB shot have i seen this name on the flash.

    so feel free to post your opinions on the flash you perfer & why here. plz provide photo evidence if you can
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:49 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #2

    Ok, maybe these pics will help. I have Two Heilands and the hole pattern is the same on both. Above the slotted holes it says Heiland in cursive writing, and below the slots it says:
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    So I took these pics, slowly turning the tube to give a 360 view.





    Ive been reading that the MPP is correct, but I was able to attain these, so I did. I hope this helps us find out for sure.
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    Jan 15, 2009, 8:03 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #3

    I also believe the MPP to be correct. I have a heiland in mine, and although it is close, its not quite as spot on as the MPP is.
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:07 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #4

    ok got this puppy in today. this is an Vintage MPP microflash tube, ser#677. this ones alittle worn & the chrome is starting to go & will most likely need to be re-chromed. but heres a 360 veiw of it. the letters that are stamped into the tube are slightly smaller and deeper than the ones engraved into the replica above. on the side that has the circular holes. the first hole doesnt actually co all the way through the tube to the inside.
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:15 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #5

    Well worse case scenario is you can pay 50 bucks and grab a MR Vader light saber from Walmart. They just recently were marked down to 50 dollars so I grabbed one. It's exactly the same as the pics that you just posted...
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:17 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #6

    i heard that the flash tube was bigger than an original on those mr FX sabers so they could fit all the electronics in it?


    Edit: the diamiter on the real one is just a hair under an inch & a half on the inside
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:22 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #7

    You know how SS is when it comes to details, he vouches for the MPP. I don't think anyone has any evidence to disprove it.

    Good find BFS1
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:24 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #8

    http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng ... &Find=Find

    well looks like the sale is over...all they have is the obi wan and it's 98 bucks!
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    Jan 15, 2009, 3:30 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #9

    Quote BobaFettSlave_1 said: View Post
    i heard that the flash tube was bigger than an original on those mr FX sabers so they could fit all the electronics in it?


    Edit: the diamiter on the real one is just a hair under an inch & a half on the inside
    You may be right...what's the correct circumference measurement? I can measure the saber's flash tube in a few hours when I get home...
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    Jan 15, 2009, 7:19 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #10

    A vid on youtube I did ... 360 of a Heiland.
    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=O7_aEd_1IdE
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    Jan 15, 2009, 7:38 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #11

    OK, I have to ask about the "History" of these flashtubes. What were they actually used for, and are they still actually made? Is the best place to get them EBAY?? Lastly, is there one inside the ROTJ version, but just covered up??
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    Jan 15, 2009, 9:11 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #12

    its circumference is 4.75 inches
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    Jan 15, 2009, 11:50 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #13

    Yeah, the Vader MR saber is the same size. I thought it was 5 inches but you're right, it's just under...So my theory is right I guess. If you couldn't find a flash tube then just buy a saber and gut it...
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    Jan 16, 2009, 1:44 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #14

    Originally posted by Lucksy31:
    OK, I have to ask about the "History" of these flashtubes. What were they actually used for, and are they still actually made? Is the best place to get them EBAY?? Lastly, is there one inside the ROTJ version, but just covered up??
    They are used on the old style cameras like you see in the movies, used by the guys that would wear a fedora hat with a card that says PRESS in it, with the huge flash bulb. The tube is attached to the side of the camera vertically, and acts as a handle. It has a large bowl (maybe 8 inches across) with a flash bulb in the center, facing toward what you are taking a pic of. The tube has the switches on it that control the flash, and there are components inside that control the timing of the flash so that it goes off at the right moment that corresponds with the film. I guess the timing was much more critical with the old type of film, and the required shutter speed. Hence the name "flash synchronizer." I don't know of anyone who makes them currently. The only ones I know of that are available are all vintage from the 1940s and 1950s. Fleabay is a good place to look. I snatched up mine there, and got a pretty nice package from some lady:

    I measured and the Heiland tubes have the correct interior diameter and circumference according to "BobaFettSlave_1" specs.
    I'm not sure if there is one in the ROTJ version, I dont think it would be as necessary, obviously since you cant see it.
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    Jan 17, 2009, 2:38 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #15

    I'm not sure who is still debating this, but it's quite obvious it's an MPP.
    Nice shot at the beginning of this thread showing the extra screw holes from the name plate as well as above that closer to the barrel end (a Heiland doesn't have that one either).
    The other very obvious tell is the Heiland has the bulb release just above the center pair of slots - this leave a big hole and a screw hole which the MPP does not have (the MPP bulb release is above the trigger).

    The turnaround pics in the second post are a Heiland 2-cell. It's a bit short, but works OK for a Fett blaster. It doesn't have the extra holes of a Heiland 3-cell. It also lacks several of the MPP holes, but you can drill those in it and have a decent alternate barrel.
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    Jan 17, 2009, 2:51 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #16

    Just grabbed a Heiland on ebay...paid a few dollars more than I'd like to have but not too much. Pumped enough even if it's a little off. It's the closet I could find for now!
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    Jan 17, 2009, 6:30 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #17

    Originally posted by lonepigeon:
    The turnaround pics in the second post are a Heiland 2-cell. It's a bit short, but works OK for a Fett blaster. It doesn't have the extra holes of a Heiland 3-cell. It also lacks several of the MPP holes, but you can drill those in it and have a decent alternate barrel.
    I was under the impression that I was going to have to cut about 1 inch off of my two cell Heiland? It is 7 3/8 inches long. I thought the actual barrel was closer to 5 inches? Does anyone know what the actual length is supposed to be? How much is sticking out, and how much is inside the other part of the barrel? I went back and rechecked some old threads that I saved, and nobody claimed the total length sticking out was more that 5 inches, and some say they had scaled measurements that brought it down closer to 4 inches? Can anyone clear this up? Also, every one of the old threads said the MPP was the correct one. I am still researching...
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    Jan 17, 2009, 10:12 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #18

    Quote dankenman said: View Post
    I was under the impression that I was going to have to cut about 1 inch off of my two cell Heiland? It is 7 3/8 inches long. I thought the actual barrel was closer to 5 inches? Does anyone know what the actual length is supposed to be? How much is sticking out, and how much is inside the other part of the barrel? I went back and rechecked some old threads that I saved, and nobody claimed the total length sticking out was more that 5 inches, and some say they had scaled measurements that brought it down closer to 4 inches? Can anyone clear this up? Also, every one of the old threads said the MPP was the correct one. I am still researching...

    +1 Great question. I'm going to need to know this too when mine gets here!
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    Jan 17, 2009, 10:38 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #19

    Quote lonepigeon said: View Post
    I'm not sure who is still debating this, but it's quite obvious it's an MPP.
    Was wondering the same thing..........MPP is the closest, pictures prove it IMO.

    There, debate done...so now someone post it in the Wiki.
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    Jan 17, 2009, 10:51 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #20

    well some people were asking for proof that it was a mpp & not a heiland in another thread a few weeks ago and noone ended up posting any proof when they said they would and there seems to be some mixed info out there that can easily misslead people IE the RS Fett you guys built has a heiland & i assume you guys also used one on the JB fett, correct me if im wrong. so i wanted to put a thread up that will help clear up the confusion...:/

    ya Spidey i gotta give Art better pics to use for the Wiki
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    Jan 17, 2009, 10:59 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #21

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    Was wondering the same thing..........MPP, pictures prove it.

    There, debate done...so now someone post it in the Wiki.
    Spidey - Maybe you could get a hold of real one, and have your machinist make em for sale.

    I been looking for one. But I'll be happy enough to have a accurate alluninum one.

    That's all I need to complete my Hyperfirm ESB blaster when I get it.

    Turo
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    Jan 17, 2009, 11:21 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #22

    Quote BobaFettSlave_1 said: View Post
    well some people were asking for proof that it was a mpp & not a heiland in another thread a few weeks ago and noone ended up posting any proof when they said they would and there seems to be some mixed info out there that can easily misslead people IE the RS Fett you guys built has a heiland & i assume you guys also used one on the JB fett, correct me if im wrong. so i wanted to put a thread up that will help clear up the confusion...:/


    I know you just want pictures..I mean really who doesn't? would make all this a whole lot easier no? But it is what it is.

    I do have a question though. If it's the MPP then what is this???? Is that on the MPP?
    Clearly it's two holes or notches...

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    Jan 17, 2009, 11:26 AM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #23

    Can anyone provide me with size for the MPP, I mean overall length/diameter, slot and hole sizes and if possible positions of these slots relative to each other, replicating it would be quite simple on a 4th Axis CNC mill, obviously the engraving is not easily replicated but it depends what people would be looking for in terms of a replica
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    Jan 17, 2009, 12:14 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #24

    anyway, So what are those two holes/notches I pointed out??
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  25. Jan 17, 2009, 12:20 PM - Re: MPP vs Heiland #25

    Can someone post a decent quality picture/s of the correct ( MPP / Heiland ) Flash tube before it's been stripped down in order to make the ESB Blaster Tip?

    THX!

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