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    Jun 6, 2014, 12:13 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #26

    Decided to buy on of his blasters too. The quality looks good and the guy seems solid answered questions real fast.

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    Jun 27, 2014, 10:59 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #27

    Okay enough free advertising, I'm bringing this thread back to the original intended purpose of Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information:

    I was reviewing the information here this morning and realised that some of it seems less than straightforward with regard to the cost/price of these units. Even though I was born after decimilisation in the UK it was not that long after and everyone, including my parents, still thought in 'old money' so the prices I quoted make sense to me even though I never actually used them! I have realised that to most, especially non UK, they are probably utter nonsense so to help explain the price a little better we need to have a quick review of pre decimilised British currency. I'll use the 30th March 1915 price of '65/-' for the calculations as it makes the arithmetic a lot easier...

    '65/-' is sixty five Shillings and no pence.

    So, a pre decimal British Pound sterling contained 240d (240 pence) and this was because originally 240 silver pennies weighed (you guessed it) 1lb of sterling silver (this measurement is from the time of Henry 2nd in the 12th Centruy). A 'shilling' was equal to 12d and thus there were twenty shillings in a pound. So '65/-' is the same as three pounds and five shillings / three and 1/4 pounds or 3.25.

    Still with me.............................?

    A modern inflation calculator makes 3.25 in 1915 the equivalent in todays (27/06/2014) money to:
    291.52
    $496.05
    363.80

    If this seems like it might be cheap then do bear in mind that Inflation calculators are crude and don't truly account for the relative differences in the economics of now and 100 years ago, that these flare guns were cheaply produced items as demonstrated by the fact that many different models share identical parts. They were also made in a time of war and goverment purchasing power in a time of war is different to that of a private individual. Even accepting these things the first order of 50 would still have come to around 15K in todays money.

    In any event I hope this is a more understandable price than '65/-' which probably meant nothing to many.

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    Jun 27, 2014, 2:29 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #28

    Fascinating. Thanks for the history lesson, Andy!
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    Jun 28, 2014, 12:43 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #29

    Thanks Andy for the detailed background!
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    Jan 3, 2016, 2:17 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #30

    This is a really interesting thread, has any one had any more experience with a real webley since? Any new owners? Id like to pursue one but feel a little bad about essentially destroying a piece of history. Love to have the weight of a real gun though.
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    Jan 3, 2016, 2:39 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #31

    I plan on destroying mine in the next few days! Been working on some mods for some parts this very day.
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    Jan 3, 2016, 2:56 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #32

    Andy, I don't know what I like more, the things I learn from you or the glazed over look when I try to share what I learned with my girlfriend....... Lol.
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    Jan 3, 2016, 3:44 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #33

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    I plan on destroying mine in the next few days! Been working on some mods for some parts this very day.
    Lol thats stone cold man. Mold and make a pull for me first lol
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    Jan 3, 2016, 3:47 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #34

    Are you mental?! Seriously, don't share this with your girlfriend. This is not the sort of thing women care for. I'm a really, really boring man. Next time she gives you the glazed look you could remind her to be thankful she's got you and not me; my poor Liz!

    Today's treat for the long suffering Mrs I; a discourse on the merits of accurate helmet visor clips. Lucky lady.

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    Lol thats stone cold man. Mold and make a pull for me first lol
    There are several quality EE3 makers here; Stormrider, MLS, and Sidewinder. Personally I dig the Sidewinder kit but they're all good so if you want one then those three guys can help you out.
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    Jan 3, 2016, 3:56 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #35

    Yeah those sidewinder kits are nuts i hope he becomes available for one. But i havent even messaged him yet. Thanks for the help !
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    Jan 3, 2016, 4:03 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #36

    I've gone to him for several projects albeit never one of his complete kits. I wouldn't expect the wait to be outrageous. I've only really gone to him for non standard items that he doesn't usually make and he turns those around pretty quick (like a fortnight to three weeks). I'd think the wait on a kit would also be weeks rather than months but I'm only speculating. A fully built kit is presumably longer. He'll tell you if you message him. I have no idea on the prices for him or any of the vendors.
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    Jan 3, 2016, 4:12 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #37

    Thanks dude i think ill hit him up soon
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    Nov 15, 2016, 7:09 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #38

    were the pointed nut things used on the interrogator droid?
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    Nov 20, 2016, 12:40 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #39

    From the turntable?
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    Feb 14, 2017, 6:36 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #40

    Good Afternoon!

    I realise this thread is quite old, however it is the most relevant one I could find relating to my question.

    I have recently come into possesion of this Webley flare gun, and I have absolutely no experience with firearms at at all. It seems to be in pretty bad condition, Im just wondering is there any sort of resale value, or would it be best kept as a memento. I've tried to include the serial number on it in case that has any bearing on price etc.

    Hopefully this thread isn't buried after such a long time!

    Many thanks in advance,

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    Feb 14, 2017, 6:48 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #41

    Dear Jamie, it doesn't look in terrible condition but I've certainly seen better. This is a Number IV mk I you have. Typically the best they seem to reach is about 250. It's the Number I and, to a lesser degree, the number II that are worth the most money. A number II in the 400 range and the number I commanding easily over 1000.

    The value of this item will also increase if it is still a live fire item although that would require it is deactivated to comply with UK law.

    Peace

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    2 Weeks Ago - Apr 9, 2017, 2:10 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #42

    Oh dear. I think you paid too much. I sense buyer's remorse in the near future.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3719040074...torefresh=true
  19. 2 Weeks Ago - Apr 10, 2017, 12:49 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #43

    Quote dms54nyc said: View Post
    This is a really interesting thread, has any one had any more experience with a real webley since? Any new owners? Id like to pursue one but feel a little bad about essentially destroying a piece of history. Love to have the weight of a real gun though.
    Davethebookie makes a bronze webley replica from a cast of a genuine webley. Also offers a fully completed EE-3. Check the cargo hold. Mine is being delivered tomorrow.
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    2 Weeks Ago - Apr 11, 2017, 11:05 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #44

    Quote intwenothor said: View Post
    Oh dear. I think you paid too much. I sense buyer's remorse in the near future.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3719040074...torefresh=true
    Oh dear god... That's not even a genuine webley stock & bracket, but one of the India Reproductions that were sold on Numrich not long ago for like $130
    Ouch that sucks
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    2 Weeks Ago - Apr 12, 2017, 3:53 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #45

    Quote KenChan said: View Post
    Oh dear god... That's not even a genuine webley stock & bracket, but one of the India Reproductions that were sold on Numrich not long ago for like $130
    Ouch that sucks
    I know, shameful isn't it. This is one of those Indian replicas thst have been floating around for years and go for, as you say, around $130 ($150 was more my experience). This is the same type of replica that Portumac based his replica stocks on recently. He wouldn't accept that when I pointed it out to him. He was also charging more for his replica of the replica than the replica itself. Mind you, he wasn't charging eight hundred and fifty quid!!!! This guy got rooked.
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    1 Week Ago - Apr 12, 2017, 9:28 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #46

    Quote intwenothor said: View Post
    I know, shameful isn't it. This is one of those Indian replicas thst have been floating around for years and go for, as you say, around $130 ($150 was more my experience). This is the same type of replica that Portumac based his replica stocks on recently. He wouldn't accept that when I pointed it out to him. He was also charging more for his replica of the replica than the replica itself. Mind you, he wasn't charging eight hundred and fifty quid!!!! This guy got rooked.
    Yeah.. And looking back through the auction, they way it's all worded, the seller really didn't do anything to mislead anyone or anything like that. No claims of it being a original genuine part or the like, simply stating what it is and it's purpose is for and the items condition. So even if the buyer had second thoughts, they're probably screwed on account of their own ignorance.
    Outrageous price aside, those Indian replica stocks aren't all that far off. Hell It's what I ended up using for the replacement stock on my own Found Parts build so as to not ruin the original Hundred year old stock, though they do require a little work, including a lot of sanding, reshaping and redoing the screw holes in order to fit an original D-bracket etc etc if that's where it's going
    Still feel bad for the buyer though.. but hey, fools and their money
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    1 Week Ago - Apr 13, 2017, 4:55 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #47

    Quote KenChan said: View Post
    Yeah.. And looking back through the auction, they way it's all worded, the seller really didn't do anything to mislead anyone or anything like that. No claims of it being a original genuine part or the like, simply stating what it is and it's purpose is for and the items condition. So even if the buyer had second thoughts, they're probably screwed on account of their own ignorance.
    Outrageous price aside, those Indian replica stocks aren't all that far off. Hell It's what I ended up using for the replacement stock on my own Found Parts build so as to not ruin the original Hundred year old stock, though they do require a little work, including a lot of sanding, reshaping and redoing the screw holes in order to fit an original D-bracket etc etc if that's where it's going
    Still feel bad for the buyer though.. but hey, fools and their money
    You're a tough crowd; I think fools and their money is a bit harsh!

    I agree regarding the wording of the auction probably not leaving much room for the buyer although I will say that I know the book that the seller writes of and I remain unconvinced about Webley ever having issued stocks for this revolver. Obviously we know that the flare gun stock will fit because both weapons feature the same basic frame. I looked into this issue a few years ago.

    I can't see how this auction was won by anyone other than a star Wars person because a real collector would know and wouldn't pay this because the revolver itself could be bought for less so I agree that there is probably ignorance of what was actually on sale but I don't blame the buyer for that because I don't think it is immediately obvious that this isn't what it purports to be unless you already have detailed knowledge (like the sort of guy who obsesses over chamfers!). I don't see this being a simple replacement stock purchase, not in a million years, and would think a Woodman stock is vastly preferable to this.

    There's a fair chance that the buyer may be reading this.

    Did I ever get back to you about those eyepieces?
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    1 Week Ago - Apr 13, 2017, 6:51 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #48

    "Full Refund if not as described"
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    1 Week Ago - Apr 13, 2017, 7:12 AM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #49

    It is as described.
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    1 Week Ago - Apr 13, 2017, 9:19 PM - Re: Miscellaneous Webley and Scott Flare Gun information. #50

    Quote intwenothor said: View Post
    You're a tough crowd; I think fools and their money is a bit harsh!

    I agree regarding the wording of the auction probably not leaving much room for the buyer although I will say that I know the book that the seller writes of and I remain unconvinced about Webley ever having issued stocks for this revolver. Obviously we know that the flare gun stock will fit because both weapons feature the same basic frame. I looked into this issue a few years ago.

    I can't see how this auction was won by anyone other than a star Wars person because a real collector would know and wouldn't pay this because the revolver itself could be bought for less so I agree that there is probably ignorance of what was actually on sale but I don't blame the buyer for that because I don't think it is immediately obvious that this isn't what it purports to be unless you already have detailed knowledge (like the sort of guy who obsesses over chamfers!). I don't see this being a simple replacement stock purchase, not in a million years, and would think a Woodman stock is vastly preferable to this.

    There's a fair chance that the buyer may be reading this.

    Did I ever get back to you about those eyepieces?
    Hahaha, yeah maybe that was a little bit harsh, so apologies to the buyer if they indeed are from this forum. I also collect vintage WWII rifles (k98's are my passion) and it's a phrase that gets thrown around by people in that community when a rifle that's either been faked, or holds little actual value for various reasons, sells for an otherwise astronomical price because the buyer didn't have the knowledge to see said flaws beforehand. It's something that unfortunately does happen all too often, and is sadly something that can be easily avoided if only a few questions were to be asked beforehand. I think there're at least a few threads here well documenting these repro shoulder stocks. The biggest identifier on these is the poor casting of the brass grip which has the crosshatch pattern overlap the center diamond detail.

    Regarding webley issuing stocks for the revolver itself. There do indeed exist a few genuine examples of these that are serial numbered to the revolver they came with, though such examples seem to be on the rare side. I imagine that they, like the flare gun itself, were also a design birthed out of the the trench warfare that began in late 1914 in order to fill a specific need. In this case I imagine they were intended to be kind of like a predecessor to the sub machine gun. A weapon that could provide quick and accurate shots while storming trenches against an enemy who would be using slower operating bolt action rifles

    Hey even you've gotta admit that the weird variance of those champers and shape of the lug on the D-bracket are pretty interesting! I still cant make any sense of their pattern
    Yeah, I'm all set on the eye pieces for my build for now. Thanks again for hooking me up!
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