Looking for scope help

it makes sense that if the front mount is on the flash tube that it would HAVE to be taller than the back one...if not, the scope sits too short in the front and wouldnt be parallel to the barrel...
 
^ ^ exactly FD.

The back mount is about 1/4 to 1/2 inch higher up. due to the barrell change in size.

The mounts are both roughly the same size at the top. Which means ones a squatty A and ones a tall A. The talls in the front.

The 'shroud' looks like it acts as a rail for the scope mount. Theres a screw that stops the 'shroud' from being on top of the rail. Theres not room. Which means it IS the rail.

The rail, has enough room for the scope bracket to pinch under it, But its not raised up on a giant block like in the diagrams.

Now, regardless, two things catch my eye on arts picture.

Theres a diaganol line, and no horizontal line, leaving the top of the molex. Heading towards the top of the mount. And at the bottom of the molex, you see another angled piec cutting in towards the clamp.
 
I think that's a visual trick from the combination of the curve of the top of the A block and the curve of the bottom of the scope mount clips. This pic from the other thread shows it better.

Scope-Mounts.jpg
 
There's no doubt the A blocks are different shapes front to back, the front A block is taller and skinnier. The stem in the A block looks square and as deep as the sides in that image too.
 
I know exactly what the shoud looks like. Ive seen a high res pic of it. Its close enough detail to even know that its black anodized metal.

And You can see the angles perfectly.

But im not sure what you mean above 'I think that a combination of the curve of the a and the curve of the scope mounts clips'

Could you explain which piece your referring to as 'that'. I see arrows pointing to the shroud, but am confused to what your referring to.
 
Do me a favor, draw over that pic with where you think the lines of the mount run.

For some reason im the only one thats done that. Im curious if your lines will run directly through lines that can be seen or not.
 
The arrows aren't mine, sorry about that, it was from your scope mount thread and referred to the holes - I used it as just a clearer picture of the same that Art posted.

I'd need to reboot into Linux to use gimp to illustrate what I mean. Knowing you have access to the higher resolution pictures sort of makes it all academic, it's silly for me to try and see different details in low resolution pictures :lol: Let us know what you discover, I'm keenly interested in seeing this part examined!
 
scopemountlines.jpg


Hardly perfect, but this is about what I've been seeing. Lonepigeon should have a far more advanced perspective. Chris? :D
 
I ignored the mount block in this and was mainly looking at the A, and it's relationship to the scope clamp and molex. The mount block (with the holes) looks to be a angled block on top of the A that the scope clamps to.
 
The pic i was shown ( I dont own copies of them perse) was of a different part, and cropped.

Im curious as to how people arent seeing what I see in the above pic.

Parrallell lines going vertical behind the molex and then parrallell lines going diagonal to the top, instead of parrallell lines going from the clamp to the top.

The shoud is the only thing ive been able to 100% determine the size and shape of. As well as its proximity to the mount, and the way it fits in.

Well that and the rear mount being 100% an A like pictured in the drawings above. But the front mount is not the same. It has totally different lines. Not at all an A.

I cant say what it is exactly, because parts are still obstructed, but its not an A with an O under it. It has two different sets of parrallell lines, that converge right near the top of the molex.

This is what I think:
'Take dat scope off dat beebee gun and use it. Before that kid shoots his eye out'.

'Aight. But we needs a mount.'

"Yo, this ________ makes a noyce front mount G'

"Aight. Use it. Grind the bottom off, Glue it to a clamp and make it happen boyeee.'

"Aight"

'Yo, what about da back bracket? The barrells bigger, it dont fit.'

'Hmm. just get something dat looks similar, or make one.'

'Hmm that shapes got a bunch-O-Curves. Gonna take me a while. And I wanted to see dat gold bakini'

'Just make something close... Bikini'

'But peeps will know its different'

'Nahh, just el-slappo one of these molex connectors on each side, itll hide it'.

Bada Boom Bada Bing.
 
Good thats exactly what im referring too:)

You agree withme on the shape. The readily accepted shape was one angle, from clamp on the tube, to top of the mount.

The small details are different between us, but the basic 'not an perfect A shape' is the same.

The 'mounting block' isnt actually a block.

Its a rail system thats curved forward.

Theres something we cant see in any picture that acts as a base.

The part that looks like a block with holes is in fact a thin sheet of metal, that bends forward, twice. Thats what the mount is attached too. Ill make a 3d model.

Im glad at least someone else and I are on the same page.

My drawing above of an A was to illustrate an Incorrect A block. not what I thought it was. Gimme a minute.

scopemountlines.jpg


Hardly perfect, but this is about what I've been seeing. Lonepigeon should have a far more advanced perspective. Chris? :D
 
This is not acurate dimension wise, but a breakdown of the rough shapes and the way they go together. I think the angles on the sides of the top of the clamp are incorrect here, but i havent got any real way to get any source. But this is roughly how all the pictures come together.

I think the lower part of the top piece, is more vertical, and the upper part more horizontal.

Some indicate the center brace, is a tube, not a block. Because they all have a gradient to them. Gradients tend to indicate tubes. Unless its a coincidence, but almost every pic shows the center piece as a gradient.

Click the link for the avi

http://www.starwarsuniverse.com/frontclamp.avi
clampavi.jpg
 
It's not that there's a gradient that makes me think the center "spine" is not tube shape, its that there's a hard-line of shadow with an indication of a perpendicluar inset.
 
That piece is in my avi. Its just not as tall,. but actually the colored pic above, its not colored to scale. The block is not that visible from the side. On either mount.

Look at the uncolored version of the pic above and youll see the line of the front mount dissapears under the mount side bracket. You cant see the block. What you see is actually the undercut of the mount brackets.

And the mount does have two side angles to a flat top (Well we dont know its flat cause it disapears under the shroud.)

If you want to argue that, maybe go ahead and illustrate over the same picture that shabad did. Because im just not sure what your seeing or where, that Im not.

I want to get it right, but im not seeing it:/
 
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With regard to the pipe clamp mount, you guys are very close to an old style pipe hanger. The top of the A-frame held a bolt or could be threaded into a longer anchor rod. I have some in the machine shed on my farm, and unfortunately it is 2500 miles from my present location. They look a lot like what Stormrider posted, but were cast metal.
 
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