Also, I need a couple of you guys help, if you will. I think I've got the brown sussed out. But I would like if at least a couple of you ESB blokes could stop by your local Lowe's and take a look at the Minwax water based stain samples. The color I'm thinking will work is called "Dutch Chocolate". I want these to be as perfect as possible for you guys and I could use some feedback.