Have we discussed the belt pouches size difference on ESB?

After getting the Marmit ESB fett I have noticed a few things that I hadn't yet on the ESB suit. #1 Being that the right belt pouch is smaller than the left. #2 There is also a great way to do the ankle raps instead of the false spats that we see so often. I am also just kinda curious if we have already hit these areas before in the past or is this new to anyone?? After comparing the Marmit discoveries with the film suit I have seen that it is in fact accurate!

can you post a pic, wpk? I'd like to get some discussion on this, and get GotMaul in here if we can since he plans to tackle the soft goods shortly.

Go esb,
Phil

Sorry Phil but my batteries just went out!! Will do many detailed pics as soon as its back up and running tomorrow!

Ok, this is probably a stupid observation, but the thigh pouches look a little bigger than the two belt pouches to me. I was always under the impression that the 4 pouches were the same size, but the one belt pouch definately looks bigger to me as well. Has anyone actually come up with diffinitive measurements for these suckers?

at a glance it almost appears that the Movie suit's remaining three are roughly the same size and Boba's left belt pouch is bigger. The marmit looks like the thighs are in the middle range and the belt pouches go either smaller or larger.


Phil

Maybe, just maybe, the pouches are the SAME size .....

Could it be perspective?

Think about it for a moment ..... in the movie still, he is slightly turned to the side while holding his rifle .....creating an illusion that the forward most part of his body, from a 2 dimensional perspective, is giving off the illusion that the left pouch is bigger that the right.

When the Japanese company gathered reference material to make the Marmit, there wasn't a lot available, and that pic is one of the most popular poses of Fett, ever. It would stand to reason that this pic was used. Perhaps when they used this picture as reference, they incorporated 2 dimensional perspective into a 3 dimensional doll? That would be easy enough to do, when you're part of a culture that catches every possible detail in the pursuit of the ultimate perfection in any project in which they may endeavor. The Japanese are true Artisans, true perfectionists, but are however, quite literal in their perception

Just a thought

-FP

There's actually a few things going on in this picture that can lead you to think that that pouch is bigger. Take a look on your reference CD at the larger version of this picture in the Chronicles directory, as it will really help.

Anyways, first things first, the pouches that connect to the rope belt (and presumably the rope belt itself) is actually rotated on his body towards his right side (further adding to the perspective issue FP is talking about). This rotation is in addition to Fett himself being rotated away from the camera.

Secondly, look at his right side first . . . there's a gap of probably . . . 2 inches between the top thigh pouch and the waist pouch. Now look at his left side. It looks like soemthing is in his left waist pouch that is sagging it in the middle. But if you look at the EDGES of the waist pouch, it indeed looks to be about 2 inches from the top of the thigh pouch.

So, I'd say, putting all that together, I think the pouches are all the same, and that it's just an optical illusion with that picture. I've never really seen any other ESB photos that lead me to think that the pouches are any different.

Just my two cents.

Jer

That's a very good point fp, ego.

As I think about it it's very likely that it is a perspective issue.

Can someone post a straight on pic? I know there's another pic from this same shoot of him straight on from a distance. There's also a couple in the carbon chamber. One from the Executor deck could help too. I'm not at home and don't have my refs...

Phil

You don't keep a copy of the Ref CD at the office?

Oh god, I really AM a geek!

:p

lol, sadly it IS here but for some reason this computer won't upload anything. I don't know if it's the cd or not because I haven't actually taken it home yet

Phil

Here are some pics that hopefully help to illustrate on top of the one that WPK posted.






Jer

After looking at all my B&W straight on pics on the CD it certainly looks bigger to me.There is really no reason for it to be such a difference in size for a seamstress if any proportion was to be achieved.The only explanation I can come up with for the left being bigger is what's actually inside of each pouch making one look "taller",or bigger,......while the other one "sagging",or look shorter........does that make sense?

When I test fit my costume I always wind up looking more bulky in the mid-section than the original costume.(I'm 6'1,and 175 so no fat jokes ) There is just so much stuff to put on with the ammo belt,rope belt,cod peice,belt bags,and holster,..it winds up stuffing 10lbs.of stuff into a 5lb bag.I really wish this one aspect of my costume could be more perfect.

Steve

The left pouch contains the control box (on/off switch and probably the batteries) for the chest light display. That could possibly be what is causing the middle sag in that pouch.

DL44 Blaster wrote:
When I test fit my costume I always wind up looking more bulky in the mid-section than the original costume. I really wish this one aspect of my costume could be more perfect.

Steve

That's easy buddy ..... go ROTJ style
Seriously, that's one of the main reasons I did. ESB Fett gets everything slid to the sides of his belt, exposing an area in the middle that just doesn't look quite right to me (bare), not to mention crowding the side pouches, and side arm holster. ROTJ, everythihng is spaced evenly accross the belt, leaving more space for the side pouches, and no side arm holster

Puuuuurfect

I tend to lean towards what DL44 Blaster has stated that it is more due to whats inside than the actual size of the pouch. NEVERTHELESS the size does show through as a suit concern in the eyes of someone really going for accuracy. Thats why I believe the Marmit still thought to replicate how it actually looks. I also think that it makes sense that he would be housing different items in his pouches giving him reason to have them in the first place. Rather than 2 large pieces of the same size foam crammed into them.

OH and Mr. Pride, don't even start with me!

fettpride wrote:
That's easy buddy ..... go ROTJ style

Heres another to try to support the accuracy level... Still seems smaller to me!

I think that picture just helps prove the fact that there are things in the left side and nothing in the right side. Look at the middle of the left pouch down at the bottom . . . . it's sagging in the middle again, like the other one. And, if as was said, all the electronics were stored in that pouch, it makes sense. But that picture also helps because, look at the top of the left pouch . . . I would assume that because of the weight, you can see that at the top of the pouch, it slants down and toward the camera at a VERY steep angle, which would give the appearance of that pouch being "longer".

The right pouch I would say has nothing in it but probably foam to keep the shape. It's perfectly square, but the left is sagging.

I still hold that it's the same sized pouch, it's just an optical illusion.

Is there a bigger version of that pic available?

Jer

Well, same size or not I just can't side with the optical illusion aspect. I can understand that there are different things in the pouches that give them a larger and smaller appearance. But to not acknowledge the fact that there is obviously a size difference in the gap between the belt pouches and thigh pockets seems to big to much to overlook.

And hey Fettish, where did the information about where the electronics were stored come from???

One other point. How do we know that a licensed toy company wouldn't have way more access to photos that we just haven't seen yet or will never see for that matter. Honestly, maybe for the lack of reference this Marmit fett should be what we are going for in the first place as far as us ESB fanatics go??

Well Paid Killer wrote:
And hey Fettish, where did the information about where the electronics were stored come from???

If you look at the first ESB hallway picture you posted, you can see the black cable runnind down from under the left side of his vest. Jeremy has said on various occasions that it led from the chest display to the cloth pouch, and that was how they turned the electronics on and off.

Well, for what it's worth, I would just say make sure you put your keys and wallet and all your other goodies you need in that left belt pouch! hehehe It will cause that pouch to sag, and give it the same appearance.

But as for there being a bigger space between the thigh pouch and the belt pouch on the right than the left . . . I just don't see it. Take out the sagging middle and to me, they look like they're right in the same spot.

Another thing to remember is that if there is weighted goodies in that left pouch, it could conceivably be causing that end of the belt that both pouches attach to, to be lower on the left side than the right side. Might be something to play with on a test fitting.

Don't get me wrong WPK, I'm not trying to find fault, and I'm right behind you on the ESB Fett all the way, but, I just don't see it. And not saying we shouldn't incorporate that into our suits, because I definitely plan on it. But, I think it's the same sized pouch as the rest of them.

As for Marmit having more access . . . I think it's probably almost a certainty. They've got some things pretty much nailed that all of TDH put together have had trouble with.

Jer

Ahhh, well I don't know if I have ever seen a big enough pic of that shot in the hallway to notice it. Anyone have a better pic of that???

Ego wrote:

As for Marmit having more access . . . I think it's probably almost a certainty. They've got some things pretty much nailed that all of TDH put together have had trouble with.

But thats my point 100%! If there version definitely shows a size difference, why wouldn't we go with it if the reference pics we have even remotely show the same thing?? And hey ego, I totally know this is a friendly debate, just trying to push for the greater ESB suit for us all!!!!

Ask and ye shall receive!

Well Paid Killer wrote:
Ahhh, well I don't know if I have ever seen a big enough pic of that shot in the hallway to notice it. Anyone have a better pic of that???

Well Paid Killer wrote:
But thats my point 100%! If there version definitely shows a size difference, why wouldn't we go with it if the reference pics we have even remotely show the same thing??

Well, I'm just thinking that if we're fooled by it . . why wouldn't they?

Quote:
just trying to push for the greater ESB suit for us all!!!!

*sniff* Just the thought of that brings a tear to my eye! haha

Cheers
Jer

Here's a RotJ shot that shows it a little better.

Bobsfettish, will you please get that ROTJ filth out of here!

Ego wrote:

Well, I'm just thinking that if we're fooled by it . . why wouldn't they?

Because they had more pics and reference to go from... (maybe)

Heh heh heh, I was waiting for that.

I just read over the Marmit box and this is what it states...


It is exactly the same as the movie costume, with the only difference being the size. In the preparation stage for the sculpting of this model, our experts examined Lucasfilms slide archives and, where possible, the actual movie props and costumes to check their fit and how each item is worn.The result is in your hands with a quality that can only be matched by the real movie costumes.

Well just off the top of my head, I know there are a few mistakes on that figure though . . . . spats for one. The helmet is pretty bad too. Not even close to the right shape. So . . . they did sculpt at least one thing wrong.

But man, what I wouldn't give to have just a look at the same pictures they did . . . . they would help us so much.

WPK . . you're a big guy . . . what do you say you and me head down to Marin county and start knockin' in some doors! hehehe

Jer

Well Paid Killer wrote:
I just read over the Marmit box and this is what it states...


It is exactly the same as the movie costume, with the only difference being the size. In the preparation stage for the sculpting of this model, our experts examined Lucasfilms slide archives and, where possible, the actual movie props and costumes to check their fit and how each item is worn.The result is in your hands with a quality that can only be matched by the real movie costumes.

Ha ha ha ha... I'm in, lets go get our plane tickets!!!:evil We'll have this $hit figured out by next week!

And a few responses to your last post...

#1 The helmet does suck but also seems to be smashed into the box taking the flare outta it. Once heated it looks so much better!

#2 I think they did the spats because all the incarnations of the suit had them long before they went with the final ESB get up. And I can't really **** them for it because they come right off to reveal a very cool strap method that looks awfully close to the way his do in the film!

Where is good old Tyler Durden, I would really like to hear his take on this as well.

In all the blank spaces we have for reference I've found myself using the Marmit for a "substitute difinitive" reference.Some things being the holster,sidearm,flamethrower/mounting plate.The belt bag is one more thing to acheive now.Even if we had our belt bags made even,and applied to our costumes to lengthen one it would acheive the same end. I for one can't re-do mine since Kattara is no more

Steve

Did I hear my name?? LoL.

After taking a good look at ESB movie stills (i.e. frames of the actual film), I believe the difference is subtle to none. It's a close call, as with everything ESB, the reference bites. What I did notice in the film is that the right pouch rides higher than the left pouch because of the holster. I am wondering if that is what the Marmit people saw and misinterpreted. Because looking at the movie stills, I am seeing very little difference in size. As always, I could be wrong, so I invite you to take a look at the photos below and let me know what you think...

Hey Tyler, would you happen to have any of those bigger?? Especially the bottom one in the middle? Doesn't look like he has a side arm on there??? But thanks for your take on the size situation, although its not what I wanted to hear!!

Hmmm.....looks "same-same" to me from those last pics. Especially the top ones.

Well Paid Killer wrote:
But thanks for your take on the size situation, although its not what I wanted to hear!!

Why not? The costume just got a little bit easier! hehehe

Jer

WPK -


Thought I'd let this one ride for a while. Thought I would watch and listen ....

Optical Illusion - Marmit (Great Artists, honest mistake).


Just so, I could say ...


TOLD YA SO

HeeHaw


-FP

Actually I hadn't even noticed the pouch difference on the Marmit fig-- even while I was painting away weathering it. So, I was a bit concerned when I saw this thread. LoL. I tend to "zone-in" on certain parts of the suit.

Actually from those pics, it looks like the right pouch is actually "sharper," i.e. filled more, than the left one.

WPK- Those are the max size caps of the "DVD." I can try to enlarge them a special proggy, but you can only do so much with limited source material.

Tyler, got pics of your weathered Marmit Fett?

I'm thinking of doing the same thing, but would like to see yours first, before taking the plunge!!



take care,

-Rex

I'll have to take a new pic or two of my Marmit. I'm not done by any stretch. And I'm not quite sure how far I want to go with it. But I did pretty much finish the helmet, and I can say I'm a 110% more satisfied with it after painting/touching up, because the Marmit paint job leaves A LOT to be desired.

Cool. Well, when you get a chance, look forward to seeing pics of it!

Not just the Merit Fett having the different pockets, but I have been looking at my Fett model by Screamin' the 18" one, and it to appears to have the pockets slightly different in size as well. Now I know its just a artists paint job on the cover of the box, but they have the Return of the Jedi paint job on it.... so maybe the same pockets where used?.... just thought I would mention this example anyhow.

How hard would it be to contact the Marmit people do you think?? Worth the try, or no way don't bother??

Well I found a direct e-mail address to the Marmit company and this is what I said...

I am curious about a specific detail that has come up as a debate on one of your incredible products, the ESB Boba Fett 12 inch figure. In the figure the belt has to large pouches that hang down onto the thigh. My question is that on your figure it depicts 2 different sizes, the right one smaller than the left. I was looking for any reference photos that could support this size difference. Actually any reference pictures that you went from to make this excellent collectible would be greatly appreciated! Thanks very much!

WPK-Proud owner of the Marmit Boba Fett 12 inch!

I'm wondering something. How old is the Marmit Fett? It was released what, a couple of years ago at best?

I'm wondering also if they may have been sent parts of a Fett suit to scale the parts off. I would further assume that a entire suit might have been sent, owing to the detail on the shin tools, etc.

Perhaps a complete film suit wasn't available, and parts had to be scrounged to complete it. Different colored shoulders and knees, different sized pouches, who knows?

Maybe that's why the helmet visor is the wrong color...

I'd just love to see some nice large photo's for good reference on the gauntlet paintjob,and jet pack.There has to be better reference material out there than the bogus production stills for ESB.Maybe Marmit will be of some help WPK.

Steve

Could you just imagine them sending me a bunch of reference shots that we have never seen?? I know its a huge long shot but hell, had to try!