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  1. Mojo-Fett's Avatar
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    Dec 4, 2007, 11:20 AM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #126

    FP... did you mention a new sculpt for the right shoulder bell? in all the excitement I can't remember seeing your comments?
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    Dec 4, 2007, 11:42 AM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #127

    And FP, Does The V.3 Butt go Ok with the V.2 Cod?

    THX
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    Dec 4, 2007, 12:05 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #128

    i'd like to get the dented knees please.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 12:24 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #129

    You have to ask your self though, are you making the knees for folks duplicating what they have reference for from the exhibits, because those are not the same knees on the right knee due to them using a pre pro knee. (dent wise) And the dents on all in the film are indeed similar... or almost the same but were all added after the fact so there are tiny human error type differences in them.

    Here is a compare of the main exhibits we look at as reference.



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    Dec 4, 2007, 1:01 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #130

    *sigh*

    Justin, I know the exhibits are different bro

    But what this is about is ... ROTJ or ESB. Period. Not Prepro 1, 2, 3, ESB, ROTJ, ROTJSE, MoM, AOSW .. ect ... There is NO way, I'm making a knee mold for everything we see on print

    This discussion, was to streamline what can be reasonalby included with an armor kit, without filling my garage with 50 molds, and taking two more weeks to duplicate molds. Afterall, what "Fett" is all about on TDH is "Accuracy". And I attribute the term "Accuracy", to "Screen Accurate". And that's ESB, or ROTJ. Just so turns out I lucked out, and they're the same, or similar enough that unless we get more reference from ESB, we'll never know for sure.


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    YAnd the dents on all in the film are indeed similar... or almost the same but were all added after the fact so there are tiny human error type differences in them.
    I have to disagree with this statement. Not that the dents were placed after they were pulled, but that they're not the same pieces seen from film to film. For instance .. the AoSW exhibit.

    The Fett on display there, or the Fett that you saw at C4, appears (quite convincingly) that is is in fact repainted ESB armor. Human error considered, the dents on the armor, and knees are indistinguishable from the ESB reference we have available. It's even more compelling, when you look at the prepro 1 and 3 parts (specifically the knees). Totally ESB. And at least one of those knees still exist in my opinion .. on the AoSW display. It occurs to me, that given that there could have been 10 sets of knees at some point, it's funny that in the following pic, we see 2 raw sets. Is it inconceivable to you that they may have made 2 sets and rotated them between concepts and movie versions? Even if there were 3 sets. Remember, they were on a budget. And I seriously doubt they made a ton of anything ... except helmets Fiberglass was cheap.



    Bottom line, there will be two options offered. With dents, and without. And here is what they now look like .... if you can tell the dents apart from ESB/ROTJ screen worn, then I've failed horribly.





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    Dec 4, 2007, 1:18 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #131

    I say go screen accurate. That's the goal I'm always trying to accomplish.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 1:20 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #132

    All I was stating is that the way you have it now is "accurate" as the dents were added later on and on each set.

    If your going to offer a "pre dented" version then I was addressing that most folks doing SE and that a majority of us go by the exhibits, the pre pro knee is the ugly ducking in the bunch. This would require only one additional or a "third" mold with dents being that the pics show the knees to be pretty much the same through out the screen used pieces.

    This senerio dosnt fill your garage with molds by any stretch. I am just adding my 2 cents in. I am not going to assume anything when I show examples of things that we are discussing as that would not lead us to a better prop. It was taking a fresh look at all of this stuff with a new perspective that has allowed it to improve.

    So no need for a *sigh*, a or a

    All that is needed is a
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    Dec 4, 2007, 1:22 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #133

    Plus, it's very easy to recreate any type of dent on these plastic pieces.

    Make a circle of a desire size on a 1 inch thick piece of wood and put the heat gun in front of the circle to heat the plastic. Then take a round object to press the heated section to make your dent. viola!
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    Dec 4, 2007, 1:24 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #134

    Quote fettpride said: View Post
    I have to disagree with this statement. Not that the dents were placed after they were pulled, but that they're not the same pieces seen from film to film. For instance .. the AoSW exhibit.
    I was referring to the different sets they have. There were 6 to my knolage and yes several were repainted. I wasnt disagreeing with you on the notions on the repaints. This would be a great explanation for the whereabouts of the ESB armor.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 1:30 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #135

    Quote SEEKER said: View Post
    Plus, it's very easy to recreate any type of dent on these plastic pieces.

    Make a circle of a desire size on a 1 inch thick piece of wood and put the heat gun in front of the circle to heat the plastic. Then take a round object to press the heated section to make your dent. viola!
    I used the back ends of different brushes to create my dents on the V2 knees and it worked great and very easy. I am sure it looked funny to the nabors though, me holding a pice of plastic in one hand with a lighter under it and a brush in my mouth.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 2:01 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #136

    6 sets that you know of huh? Wow. And, where/who does this information come from? Brak's used to say, that making statements like that should be accompanied by photo evidence.

    And yes, there is room for a *sigh* bro. Because I'm seriously busting my hump here. If you want a "third" mold, I'm afraid you're just going to have to make it yourself

    Dentless is accurate, yes. Accurate to preproduction. Not accurate to what we see on the screen. What it seems you're failing to see here, is that there are members here who may not have the same skills that you do. So to recreate a reasonable facsimile of what we have grown to know and love, is the point of "Screen Accuracy" in this case. Not all members will dent their armor, exactly the same. Small example ... Two members meet at a con, and one of them likes how the other dented his knees better? That member feels a level disappointment in himself, or envy, and the experience of owning a prop REPLICA is shot down. So if "I" can reasonably reproduce what we see on the screen for EVERYONE alike, doesn't that make the world a happier place?

    Again, 2 options .. with, or without dents. The dented version will cover ESB/ROTJ. The undented version will cover the purists, that would rather dent them themselves.

    FP
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    Dec 4, 2007, 2:19 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #137

    PM SENT
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    Dec 4, 2007, 2:26 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #138

    Quote evan4218 said: View Post
    There were 6 to my knolage and yes several were repainted.
    yeah...that's news to me..?? Where did that come from? 6 sets.??
    How would we even know that for sure??..not that it matters....
    But third and second hand, heck maybe by now fifth hand , info from way back when.. is soooo hard to verify.

    But I think making the knees universal is the Best option...with no dents.
    Same reason FP took out the wavy brow in the FPH....more options, and that's first hand info right there. ..
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    Dec 4, 2007, 2:38 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #139

    I'll take my ESB with the dented knees!
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    Dec 4, 2007, 2:55 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #140

    I was simply stating my understanding from talking to alot of people and simply by looking at good photography of the different sets. I dont have to back up an opinion, just facts.

    And Alex, at one point you agreed with me on that, we have had several discussions on it.

    And yes, I agree with you Alex, no dents is the way to go. Everyone can make it what they want to.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 2:58 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #141

    Quote Spideyfett said: View Post
    Same reason FP took out the wavy brow in the FPH....more options, and that's first hand info right there. ..
    I know, I was on the phone with him with you and DM at my house on the sofa when that was decided. I was part of that decision though I felt at the time it should have been less generic. You felt other wise and it ended up being the great helmet we have today, thus the reason we had several great heads together on that project.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:02 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #142

    It's already done guys ... there are TWO molds. There is a dented mold, and an undented mold. That's it. NO more debate Didn't anyone see the pic above?

    FP
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:04 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #143

    ESB Dented knees please.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:05 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #144

    Quote fettpride said: View Post
    It's already done guys ... there are TWO molds. There is a dented mold, and an undented mold. That's it. NO more debate Didn't anyone see the pic above?

    FP

    One pic is showing up.
  20. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Dec 4, 2007, 3:08 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #145

    Quote evan4218 said: View Post
    I was simply stating my understanding from talking to alot of people and simply by looking at good photography of the different sets. I dont have to back up an opinion, just facts.

    And Alex, at one point you agreed with me on that, we have had several discussions on it.

    And yes, I agree with you Alex, no dents is the way to go. Everyone can make it what they want to.
    Didn't disagree with you at all....just don't know where you came up with 6sets that were made?? and no one is asking for proof, but does anyone "Really" know?...or is it just regurgitated hear say? and not actual facts?

    And really it's great that FP is even giving anyone the option..
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:17 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #146

    Nuff said... both are correct from an outsider view... who can really say for sure without actually being there?

    So as FP says, there are 2 sets 'with' and 'without' lets let the people decide what they want to have on 'their' costume?

    FP.. as Seeker says second pic didn't show for me either?
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:25 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #147

    Quote Mojo-Fett said: View Post
    Nuff said... both are correct from an outsider view... who can really say for sure without actually being there?

    So as FP says, there are 2 sets 'with' and 'without' lets let the people decide what they want to have on 'their' costume?

    FP.. as Seeker says second pic didn't show for me either?
    As I said before, some of the info is based on talking to folks and the rest is all there for anyone with 2 eyes and a computer. But it really dosnt matter as we base our suits off of one not any other number. So its mute really. I only stated it as it was part of my belif to the why there are some slight differences.

    And we are letting the people decide Mojo.... I like you only know what I read in this thread, and I get my info on this new armor at the same time as everyone else. I was just throwing in my 2 as one of "the people" about what I would like to see just like you and everyone else.

    But I was the only one that got jumped on by FP as though I did something wrong.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:36 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #148

    Evan - I know you (group) are letting the guys decide bud, I only meant that we all possibly have info on what was and what if's... but by producing the the moulds as FP has, he has given us the choice of having the dents (near cannon or not) or without for those that have knowledge / reference or even the skills to put them in?

    No harm - no foul bro...
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:48 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #149

    PM sent Mojo, sorry if I seemed I was coming off rude or anything.
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    Dec 4, 2007, 3:52 PM - Re: FP Armor - Version 3 #150

    FP please, check my PM... still waiting.

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