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    Jan 6, 2009, 6:57 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #51

    I was just thinking about bronze again, as Kane mentioned. I had a metal sculpture class in college & did alot messing around with bronze which the universal is 90% copper, 10% tin. Now when we did our sculpts, we could any number of different patenas on a piece of finnished bronze that would give different characteristics. You could use one that made it look almost gold, another that made it look very dark..almost black, annother that made it very red, almost like copper, and they even had one that would turn it completely green like the statue of liberty. I dunno where I'm going with this.....LOL Oh: it does look like some of the rocket cones are more brass/gold colored, while some pics look copper colored. I wonder if they used bronze & maybe patenaed them??? Might explain why some rockets look differnt than other in differnt pics. I dunno if machinists can work with bronze though???? Heck, I have no idea if LFL would have bothered monkeying around with a patena in 1978 either??? LOL I'm just thinkin out loud here.
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    Jan 6, 2009, 7:19 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #52

    Quote Jango's kid said: View Post
    Heck, I have no idea if LFL would have bothered monkeying around with a patena in 1978 either??? LOL I'm just thinkin out loud here.
    Thinking out loud is good....it helps the dicussion.

    but the only thing I could find in bronze that even looks close to the rocket was this.

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    Jan 6, 2009, 7:32 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #53

    Heres all the differnt looks you can get with bronze simply by putting a patina on it. The stuff they are working with there is not actual bronze...but you can do all the same stuff with bronze. Heck, maybe you could use that stuff right over aluminum???????????? I dunno????????

    http://www.bnglifecasting.com/custom/finish/index.html

    Again..might be wayy off with this, and LFL may or may not have messed around with it...but its pretty easy to do in my experience, (which is pretty limited when it comes to this stuff). All you do is brush it on & let it dry.
    D

    Actually, you can patina brass or copper too. So who knows what the heck they all did???? I don't have a clue??? The possibilities are endless!!

    http://www.sciencecompany.com/patina...naformulas.htm

    I do like the look of machined copper though!!!!!!!!!!
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    Jan 6, 2009, 8:21 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #54

    Thanks for all the info Jango's Kid. I know very little about this, but that helped me understand alot better. Seeing how easy it would have been to use patina, that opens the possibility to different metals like you said. I would think that copper would have been more readily available then bronze (I have no idea). But since copper is more fragile that would explain the dent in it. Unless they used another metal and just messed up while making it.
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    Jan 6, 2009, 9:20 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #55

    I believe the "dent" you guys are pointing out isn't actually a dent, but just a discoloration.
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    Jan 6, 2009, 9:40 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #56

    Quote ART ANDREWS said: View Post
    I believe the "dent" you guys are pointing out isn't actually a dent, but just a discoloration.
    I would have to disagree, I have too many other angles that show it is a dent. ..even video.
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    Jan 6, 2009, 10:18 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #57

    Maybe you are right. I sure doesn't look like a dent in the pic I posted, but in a few others it does. Hard to say, but if you have video showing it from various angles, I guess we will have to go with that.
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    Jan 6, 2009, 10:25 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #58

    maybe I am crazy.....but

    why would they make it out of Brass only to make it look copper??

    do you think they said....."gee this brass needs to look copper"

    I am simply saying that common sense tells me that it was made of copper...thats why it looks copper

    again...maybe I am nuts
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    Jan 6, 2009, 10:36 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #59

    No you arent nuts DM. It could have been a last minute change?
    Maybe they said the brass might not look right, and they added a copper tip or patina as Jango's Kid said.
  10. Jan 6, 2009, 11:00 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #60

    I'll just throw my 2 in here, which is a hint to my point. You can tell from the reflections that are happening on the tip of the rocket in posts #42 and #48 that it looks exactly like a piece of copper tubing or for that matter, a "Penny"!

    CHA-CHING!!!

    Also, that potential "Dent" or "Ding" that's being discussed gives further proof that the rocket tip is more than likely, copper, since copper is a much softer metal and very easily marred!

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    Jan 6, 2009, 11:15 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #61

    Here's an Idea of what we are trying to achieve... Thanks to Ripcode...
    as he had the only fan made copper tip rocket made that I know of.

    Thanks for sharing Rip.:thumbup


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    Jan 7, 2009, 8:21 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #62

    PSBerreta made that one, correct?
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    Jan 7, 2009, 8:28 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #63

    Quote oddball said: View Post
    PSBerreta made that one, correct?
    Correct! He made 2 (I believe). One for me and one for his Fett.
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    Jan 7, 2009, 10:19 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #64

    That tip is copper, 100%
    There were two made, one for Ripcode, and one for myself.
    Did I make it?

    No.
    Serenity did.
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    Jan 7, 2009, 11:18 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #65

    Quote psberetta said: View Post
    That tip is copper, 100%
    There were two made, one for Ripcode, and one for myself.
    Did I make it?

    No.
    Serenity did.
    Thanks for posting Tim... you guys do awesome work!!:thumbup
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    Jan 7, 2009, 1:27 PM - FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #66

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    Jan 7, 2009, 1:36 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #67

    Having seen the psberetta/serenity/ripcode rocket, I am certainly swayed to believe that the originals might have been copper. While I certainly don't think it is definitive and I don't think it is good to label the originals as definitively being copper, I think copper would be a good choice for this run, based on what we have seen. I am still leaning very strongly toward plating instead of solid.
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    Jan 7, 2009, 5:50 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #68

    I have an Aluminum Gauntlet Rocket with a BRASS tip (maker: unknown) ... and now I know what looks wrong... it must be copper ! Copper is the correct material, Im pretty sure and agree with Spidey and the others..

    If pics are needed I can post them later...
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    Jan 7, 2009, 6:39 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #69

    Being that copper is a soft metal and the rocket tip in the exhibits has been subjected to severe wear and tear over the years, don't you think that we'd see more damage to the rocket tip in the AoSW and MoM exhibits pics? Just a thought...I really know nothing.
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    Jan 7, 2009, 7:10 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #70

    even back then wasn't copper relatively expensive? i thought they wanted keep the suit cost to a minimum. so why would they spend the money to have copper machined instead of plating it with copper?
  21. Jan 7, 2009, 8:01 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #71

    Quote BobaFettSlave_1 said: View Post
    even back then wasn't copper relatively expensive? i thought they wanted keep the suit cost to a minimum. so why would they spend the money to have copper machined instead of plating it with copper?
    Again, remember that many of the parts to make the suit were found parts, not necessarily specially machined parts, like what we're having to do in order to "Replicate" the best we can because the original parts are either not easily found or origins completely known for every single piece!
  22. Spideyfett is offline Spideyfett
    Jan 7, 2009, 8:38 PM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #72

    Interest List added on the first post..

    quick update, the Copper Alloy has been ordered!!
    ...from what I was told the copper alloy is almost 99% copper, so it still looks like copper, but again is much more durable for the machinest to work with and is over all stronger.... so no dents.
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    Jan 8, 2009, 10:48 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #73

    Looks like I'm late to the party but had you considered Aluminium Bronze, soft, easy to machine looks the part, and probably cheaper than copper
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    Jan 8, 2009, 11:15 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #74

    Quote HeadlessHunter said: View Post
    Looks like I'm late to the party but had you considered Aluminium Bronze, soft, easy to machine looks the part, and probably cheaper than copper
    Thanks , would you have any pics that show the look of it?
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    Jan 8, 2009, 11:50 AM - Re: FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket #75

    Interested obviously dependent on cost...but interested

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