FP Aluminum (Copper tip) Gauntlet Rocket

TDH -

There is no big secret about the missile in question. and for those that may be confused, here is a little information. No one was trying to hold anything back, and it would have been explained in short order anyway, I've just been away from the boards for the last two days (mostly) taking care of shipping obligations.

In 2005, there was obviously a studio JF Helmet, 3 chest pieces, and some really BAD RF castings coming from an Aussie by the name of Bentley O'Toole. He's an all around hustler. A really bad dude that's getting himself in a lot of trouble. He claimed to have "original molds for everything". SOme people speculate that he is the source of my studio JF molds, but he is not. O'Toole claimed to be "THE" source that worked for Fox Australia, when in fact it was not him, but an acquaintance of his. This acquaintance was the employee whom exploited all of the JF parts we know today. However, O'Toole recast this guy's castings that were given to him and claimed them for himself. Which is why I've been warning people who buy castings from O'Toole, or anyone else that has "Recast" O'Toole's items to claim them as "Studio Castings", because they're far from 2 twice removed.

To abridge a very long story, in all of these parts there were two missiles that were taken from Fox as well. One was a horrible stunt missile that was made of rubber originally. This is the missile that O'Toole distributed as an actual ILM Boba/Jango missile. The second missile, came from the real source of these parts/molds. It was the hero missile used in AOTC. They look night and day in their differences.

About the hero missile -

It was made by Fox Australia using exact specs from an ILM Archived item. It was NOT directly cast from an original Boba missile. But it is the only missile in back yard prop history that has anything close to a pedigree. About the same as an MR helmet would, in MY opinion. But, the caveat to this is, it was scaled down to fit Morrison's smaller suit components. When I obtained the casting, the only detail that was missing was the tip end of it. Everything else was exacting detail to what we've come to know and love on exhibit all over the world, with the exception that it was scaled.

In an attempt to restore it's original size, measurements from C4 of the left gauntlet were not only used for scaling my own gauntlets, but also to proportion the missile to the best of our ability. Thanks to Alex (Spideyfett) were were able connect with Philip Wise (Rebelscum.com) and his personal machinist to make this happen. Again, all the details were preserved as it was painstakingly proportioned in CAD. And I reiterate that the only detail that has no digital lineage to the original missiles is the cone at the front end.

What this comes down to is this ... if you are not comfortable with the "naysayers" have to say, please do not purchase a missile. No one is obligated. It is that simple. We are only trying to provide something neat to the community ( as usual) while "others" gloat on how much they know, and never share a thing :)

I have not returned to the boards to get into a feud. Please accept my apologies for that of which although I do not have any control, I feel bad that no matter where "Fettpride" goes, "someone" always has to follow and start the drama all over again.

Now that I have taken the time to write this, I will no longer be able to make it to the post office for those members that are waiting for items to be shipped. I do apologize. But I will make sure all of the last of the 2008 obligations are to the post by noon tomorrow (when our local post closes).
It's sad that I have to take away from our community for this sort of silliness :facepalm

Regards,

FP
 
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Well, that was fun. Now that I have cleaned the thread up and FP has told where the part came from, let's keep this on track. If you not want the part, there are other people on the board who make them. If there is any more bickering, you WILL get a 1 week time out for each new post that starts anything.
 
TDH -
In an attempt to restore it's original size, measurements from C4 of the left gauntlet were not only used for scaling my own gauntlets, but also to proportion the missile to the best of our ability. Thanks to Alex (Spideyfett) were were able connect with Philip Wise (Rebelscum.com) and his personal machinist to make this happen. Again, all the details were preserved as it was painstakingly proportioned in CAD. And I reiterate that the only detail that has no digital lineage to the original missiles is the cone at the front end.
FP

Thanks for chiming in Chris...

and as he said We, me and Darthmiller to be exact, did a few things at C4 that probably would've got most people thrown in jail :lol:... long story short, we got the measurements for the length and the width of the C4 AOSW gauntlet rocket...and with the help of our awesome machinest and a ton of ref photos to scale, we simply incorporated those two measurements into the FP rocket .....Again, as I stated earlier, it wasn't that complicated, as some were trying to make out to be....

I think we need to keep this an 'interest' thread only...

thanks Gav. (y)
 
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so to recap...

there's a base of a cast-from-original jango. the jango was digitally scaled from boba size to jango size for the movie (sidebar: i love that jango is shorter... makes my 5 foot 9 boba so much better!).

at c4, y'all were able to measure the length and circumference of the one there, giving you numbers to scale off of.

a cad model was created off of the jango, then scaled up according to the measurements taken at c4.

did i get all that?

so it sounds to me that this is, to date, the closest to accurate that any of these will get. until someone with direct access to a screen used boba comes along with an interest thread, this is as close as we've come.
 
Hey Alex,
Interested here bro! Man... the amount of money I spent here on
TDH. I could of had two brand new cars...hehe! :wacko
 
so to recap...

there's a base of a cast-from-original jango. the jango was digitally scaled from boba size to jango size for the movie (sidebar: i love that jango is shorter... makes my 5 foot 9 boba so much better!).

at c4, y'all were able to measure the length and circumference of the one there, giving you numbers to scale off of.

a cad model was created off of the jango, then scaled up according to the measurements taken at c4.

did i get all that?

so it sounds to me that this is, to date, the closest to accurate that any of these will get. until someone with direct access to a screen used boba comes along with an interest thread, this is as close as we've come.


99.9 % :D

Let's not forget, that although ultimately a Fox JF Missile first gen casting, their basis was exacting information/measurements from an ILM archived missile. This would mean Boba ;) It is unclear from what exhibit, if it was a missile left laying around in the archives. No one knows. There is supposedly a requisition document floating around somewhere that might possibly reveal the exact source, but it has yet to surface. When they made their digital model from this information, THAT was scaled to Morrison. Then you have it from there :lol:

Another thing to add is the fact that the JF casting was not obscenely smaller. Because of all of this talk some might get the idea that we're talking drastic difference. Digitally it was 7% smaller. Or was it 9%? I don't remember, it's been a year since we did this :lol: (y)

And one final note ... don't trust the "naysayer" telling you that FOx Australia didn't have access to an archived item of this sort. It is unequivocal that they did. That proof has been right under everyone's noses for years, and still ... few know it. From the "Buckethead" video ....

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Perhaps someone can tell which ROTJ Gauntlet that is ;)

Thanks buddy :cheers

FP
 
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Good stuff Chris... thanks for sharing..
Completely forgot about that video(y)
99.9 % :D

Let's not forget, that although ultimately a Fox JF Missile first gen casting, their basis was exacting information/measurements from an ILM archived missile. This would mean Boba ;) It is unclear from what exhibit, if it was a missile left laying around in the archives. No one knows. There is supposedly a requisition document floating around somewhere that might possibly reveal the exact source, but it has yet to surface. When they made their digital model from this information, THAT was scaled to Morrison. Then you have it from there :lol:

Another thing to add is the fact that the JF casting was not obscenely smaller. Because of all of this talk some might get the idea that we're talking drastic difference. Digitally it was 7% smaller. Or was it 9%? I don't remember, it's been a year since we did this :lol: (y)

And one final note ... don't trust the "naysayer" telling you that FOx Australia didn't have access to an archived item of this sort. It is unequivocal that they did. That proof has been right under everyone's noses for years, and still ... few know it. From the "Buckethead" video ....

bucketheadcap.png


Perhaps someone can tell which ROTJ Gauntlet that is ;)

Thanks buddy :cheers

FP
 
Spidey/FP, I have a question that I would like to see clarified for the board as I am being asked my opinion privately and if a few people are asking me, I assume there are more who would like to know.

What made you decide to go with copper over the more generally accepted brass?

I ask this because in your statement below you make it appear as if it is a fact that the original was copper. Is this something you have discovered to be true or something you believe based your observations of the rocket at C4? I just want to make sure we are all on the same page and that we don't end up with one person or groups perspective or interpretation being passed off as unequivicable fact as it is stated in your first post.

Most Aluminum Rockets made to date have been based on an aluminum body and a Brass head...but none with a real copper head, as seen on the real Fett gauntlet.

For anyone interested in purchasing one of these rockets from Spidey, don't let my questions deter you in any way... In fact, if needed, this topic might need to be broken out into its own thread but I didn't want to start a new thread initially as I didn't want it to appear that I was attacking Spidey's claims. I am not attacking. I am simply asking for clarification on the statement that the real rocket tip is copper as there seems to be a considerable amount of questions about what the real rocket was made of.
 
Well, i might be interested in one of these...if I am able to get a new set of gauntlets that is!! (FP ;))

There have been a very few Gaunt missles made from copper in the past. I had talked with PSBerreta (good pal of mine) a few years ago about the prospect of getting a copper tip rocket. I believe he made 2, and I saw one in person. They were very nice indeed, but i was always broke at the time, so did not get one from him. He has since moved away from anything Fett.

I think art has some valid questions there. Heres my thoguhts (for what they are worth :lol:)I guess I have been of the opinion that there are possibley 2 things going on with the gaunt missle....again, just my opinions/hunches here which are all base on the pics, so treat it as such.

1. I believe that at least some of the ROTJ rockets are brass. But, The ESB definately has always looked to me to be copper....There is something about it that looks different....in every shot!!!!! Now either it is made from copper, or it is made from brass, but with a patena of some kind on it to turn it a darker color. It definately does not have the common gold/yellowish color of machined brass. Now that different color can still be achieved with a brass tip. I believe it was Bobamaker that weathered one or the brass ones from one of our makers very nicely to the point where it did look kinda coppery. However, the ESB rocket tip does not look weathered at all IMO based on pics. It looks to be bare metal hot off the lathe to me...and it is darker than brass.

2. In talking with some others, (who's opinion I respect greatly,) it has been noted that copper would corrode up and turn green in a short time. Absolutley true!!!!! We have not seen any of the rockets exhibit that green corrosion on them. But...no one has seen the ESB gauntlets in 30 years either!!!!!!!! For all we know, the ESB rocket is sitting in a box somewhere buried in the archives and is completely green now!!!! :lol:!!!

So yeah, I could be completely wrong in my assumtions/opinions, but I think a copper tipped rocket would look fantastic on an ESB gaunt!!!!!!!!!
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Spidey/FP, I have a question that I would like to see clarified for the board as I am being asked my opinion privately and if a few people are asking me, I assume there are more who would like to know.

What made you decide to go with copper over the more generally accepted brass?

I ask this because in your statement below you make it appear as if it is a fact that the original was copper. Is this something you have discovered to be true or something you believe based your observations of the rocket at C4? I just want to make sure we are all on the same page and that we don't end up with one person or groups perspective or interpretation being passed off as unequivicable fact as it is stated in your first post.


For anyone interested in purchasing one of these rockets from Spidey, don't let my questions deter you in any way... In fact, if needed, this topic might need to be broken out into its own thread but I didn't want to start a new thread initially as I didn't want it to appear that I was attacking Spidey's claims. I am not attacking. I am simply asking for clarification on the statement that the real rocket tip is copper as there seems to be a considerable amount of questions about what the real rocket was made of.

No it's a great question Art (y)....and does bring up a good discussion topic.

And I honestly, as others currently do, just thought it was copper..:lol:
Mainly because the over all "look" of the refence photos... as Brass would seem to tarnish a certain way, as does copper, and would change the overall look of the tip over time.... so I would have to say my statement was simply based on appearance only.

I personally believe it is cause I've seen it with my own eyes, or some type of copper alloy, which could explain the non corrosion... and even more so after seeing the C4 exhibit....But definately not brass. IMO.

and a side note, for the JB project gauntlet and a few others I've painted, the color of choice for the resin kits is Testors Copper.(y)

Here is a shot Jason (darthmiller) took just as they were moving the cape back at C4....I even remember that a group of us agreed it wasn't brass...again simply based off of looks alone.(y)..
You can even see a dent at the tip of the copper that indicates it might be something Softer than brass.;)

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and a side note, for the JB project gauntlet and a few others I've painted the color of choice for the resin kits is Testors Copper.(y)

Thats how i've done mine in the past too!! And, the one pictured above diefinately looks like copper to me. That doesn't necesarrily mean that it is...but it sure looks like it.
 
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