To me it's easy to say what it's Not, but to say it's not copper and then not show rash or reason is kinda like me saying "it is copper without a doubt".... did that make sense?
Personally after revisiting a ton of ref photos with my machinest, I'm starting to lean toward copper plating... either way the finish is copper, no doubt there.
Last edited by Spideyfett; Feb 6, 2009 at 10:12 PM.
The way a CCD is configured, and I've been out of the camera retail biz for about 3 years so I'm sure technology has changed but anyways, a CCD is a giant grid of pixels and each pixel can only see 1 color, and there is empty space between pixels so there is some interpretation going on even in a raw file.
Spidey brings up a good point about the discoloration being the clear coat chipping off. The question is chipping off of what, metal? plastic?
There's discussion about what the red plastic is going on in at least 1 other thread, it's in the thread in the announcements section about behind the scenes pictures. It's definately used in several pieces, mostly stunt pieces or items that needed to be hard but still flexable such as the metal bikini. I think someone even had a good suggestion as to what the material is...
If you look at the black tip area in front of the copper part, there appears to be some small red areas visible too.
If this is indeed a custom machined piece, I have a hard time believing that they machined it, then molded it, made a plastic copy and kept using plastic ones even though they would break frequently. It would make more sense to me if they had found a model piece, they would have used that and made machined copys due to the plastic ones breaking. Or they costume machined a rocket and made plastics copys, along with machined ones and switched back and forth. People were crazy back in the 70's
My only thought on that would lie in one of two directions... machine a master and then cast it because it is cheaper... or IF there are plastic ones, they were made for the stunt scenes where the metal rockets might hurt the actors... the fact of the matter is, I am REALLY reaching into speculation here and don't have much proof. Maybe, as has been said, the reddish color isn't the same as the leia bikini and maybe it isn't plastic at all. Sure looks that way to me, but I have been wrong before and may be wrong here.
Perhaps it should not so much be a search for a helicopter part but more of a "rock pod" search.
Here are some pic I found.
this image has potential, Although not accurate it can certainly set the stage for the concept of the rocket.
Art perhaps the "red rubber" we are looking for is a urethane or latex based rubber. These rubbers can be successfully painted with specialized paints but are not completely resistant to chipping. Perhaps the red tint was used to let the painters know not to go crazy with an uber accurate paint job as it signified it was a "stunt" piece perhaps.
The machined part does make alot of sense. A New Hope was way under budget and everything was kit bashed. ESB and ROTJ was not after breaking records, they had alot more cash to afford a machined rocket. Perhaps some of the earlier versions of the costume can give clues as well.
Very interesting points on both sides.
Last edited by pghfett; Feb 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM.
That's a good point PG! Lets everyone look at all the SuperTrooper pics, and see if there's any insight there. Most of the pics are B/W though, right? I know there are some color ones around too.
Man I was looking at rocket pods all night! Never researched aircraft weaponry before, but it was quite interesting. I was thinking the same thing as never_ending_fett , that maybe the orginal idea was for Boba's weapon to be a rocket pod that shoots out lots of little rockets. Kind of goes with the little darts on the other gauntlet and knees. Also sort of falls in line with the little Kamino saber dart that Jango uses.
Does anyone know how many holes are on the screen used "pod?" The terminology I saw sometimes had the number of rockets in the part name, so the UB-32 holds 32 rockets. I know there are more holes than that on the gauntlet rocket pod (I'm gonna start saying that ), but haven't seen a straight-on view where you can see all of the holes.
Anyway, interesting reading! :thumbup
The nose extension looks like it blocks the first row of tubes/micro-rocket, so unless it fires out first with the other three rows as a follow on strike.
Just a observation after looking at the gauntlet rocket.
I like pghfett's theory as well. Urethane material for stunt items does make sense and we know that the production used a flexible rubberish material for some threepio parts in ESB and ROTJ, although it was a tan color. Still, I wouldn't discount this theory at all.
Thanks for the kind words Art. I would take your statements about the red material as gospel as I honestly have no special knowledge with regards to Fett; as much as I have seen, I'm always learning. I find the topic very interesting though and I can see why there would be speculation that other parts, including the missile, may have also been made of this red material.
Spideyfett, I didn't mean to offend by my comments. I have just always subscribed to the belief that productions tend to keep things simple. That said, I was just stating my opinion, so you may of course be right. The original white Fett has very little 'not white', but one of the items 'not white' is the missile. Although the pics I have are black and white, the missile tip looks like it could be a copperish color without any weathering. Interesting.....
I would be curious to know what the drawing information had i.e. if it was a drawing that a machinist used, it would typically indicate material(s) and if it were made in parts. Again, speculation that the drawing would have this as there tends to be looser documentation in older productions. Art, is this something you could share??
I love this sort of disscussion.
to add to the above it appears in the pic below of the special edition suit that there is a hose attached to the rocket. There is no way that the hose could successfully be attached to a plastic part without it ripping off. We all know how stiff those hose attachments are. This missile would have to be machined, at least part of it to stand the stresses involved in just normal movement.
So I would think looking at a Fett prior to this work up would be a good idea perhaps.
As much as I've come to love rocket pods I've found no rocket pods to date that match exactly like Fetts.
man, stuff look so close. i just don't know.
I had a similar experience in seeing something as a found part in college, one of the files/graters that was shaped like the left gauntlet
The red under color (which I'm not really seeing there) could be either a primer, or a base red for metallic paint. Gold leaf is applied over a red base to accent the color. When I do a bronze faux finish, I start with a dark brown base. I have no idea what the original was, but the copper cone could just be paint.
Something else came to mind as well. Gus Lopez has what looks to be a missile casting in his collection...I tried to find the pic, but unfortunately I was not able to locate it (I have to get my files in order!). I'm curious if anyone here knows the background on this piece; whether it was production made or just a one off. I'm going on memory here, but I believe it had a grey primer color to it.
I think Ryan brings up a VERY valid point. Those with knowledge of painting know that there are certain "base" colors that greatly accentuate other colors. Such as painting a prop black, before painting it silver/chrome. The black will make the silver/chrome "pop". That almost brings up a question about the C4 rocket (resin vs. alu) ... if the body was cast in neutral resin - was it painted black and then accentuated with silver for weathering (i.e.; Sci-Fire metalizing tutorial for example) , or was it the reverse of that
(an alu body painted black and scratched off for weathering?)
Last edited by fettpride; Feb 8, 2009 at 2:36 AM.
Looking at those pics of the real rocket, it's either machined aluminum, or the best faux aluminum finish ever seen.
It just looks too much like metal to be anything other than. . . well, metal.
I'm also not seeing any red under the copper on the cone portion. I see some areas where the weathering/topcoat has chipped or worn away, but to me it looks like cleaner copper.