FOUND PART ? Gauntlet missile

Can someone tell me why the Vader and Fett communities have a love-affair with keeping information sacred and scarce?

I understand "honor amongst theives" and so forth, but nobody purchased or bought anything from LFL or has signed some clandestine contract with a black-ops prop group for information regarding the prop world.

Just because a prop or a drawing or a set photo is rare, doesnt mean it cant be shared? This happens on the RPF, the Vader forums and most other forums. Someone wants to hold on to information - for what reason?

Is Lucas going to send out Gino and the boys to cut off your hand if you show a picture of David Prowse having the Vader helmet put on his head? Or of some "worm" indentation on a tube of the Vader face-mask that is off 1mm and you have pics to prove it? Now this?

It always leaves a sour taste in my mouth when a hobby and something for fun gets turned into "I know something you dont know" instead of show and tell.

Art, please, this is in no way a personal attack, I am not naming you. I am questioning the community at large why we do this type of behavior?
 
I am with you in regard to the overall look of the piece matching up the Hind rocket bay... however, in a recent development, the original machinist and drawings were found, which fairly conclusively shows the rocket was custom machined, as described in Mark Harris' update sheets. I have seen the drawings with my own eyes so this isn't just random heresay. If not for that, I would be in total agreement that you guys were on to something.

If the original machinist plans and drawings were found, why would we even doubt which material was used? Even you seemed to doubt that it was custom machined in copper when fettpride and spideyfett got their new missile out.
 
wait... wait... I think I am on to something.... In the initial post, Simon Fett said Jeremy stated that the rocket kept breaking... and we know that is true, because we SEE a broken rocket in the stunt scenes! The body is there but the head is gone! So, while I stand by the info I posted above in regard to the piece being machined, I didn't want to be dismissive of Simon's work or Jeremy's word... so I went back and looked and check out what I found thanks to a super clear image the Got Maul took at CIV.

Check the photo below and then read on...

So... is anyone else seeing the RED PLASTIC that is seen on the Fett stunt cod, the Fett stunt helmets and Leia's bikini?!? I would argue that at least THIS rocket tip is not metal at all (I do think the back part and the aluminum tip are metal). Maybe only one or a few masters were made and they were too heavy so they went to a plastic casting. Either way, I am pretty convinced this one is the same red plastic we see elsewhere.

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Can someone tell me why the Vader and Fett communities have a love-affair with keeping information sacred and scarce?

I understand "honor amongst theives" and so forth, but nobody purchased or bought anything from LFL or has signed some clandestine contract with a black-ops prop group for information regarding the prop world.

Just because a prop or a drawing or a set photo is rare, doesnt mean it cant be shared? This happens on the RPF, the Vader forums and most other forums. Someone wants to hold on to information - for what reason?

Is Lucas going to send out Gino and the boys to cut off your hand if you show a picture of David Prowse having the Vader helmet put on his head? Or of some "worm" indentation on a tube of the Vader face-mask that is off 1mm and you have pics to prove it? Now this?

It always leaves a sour taste in my mouth when a hobby and something for fun gets turned into "I know something you dont know" instead of show and tell.

Art, please, this is in no way a personal attack, I am not naming you. I am questioning the community at large why we do this type of behavior?


I cant speak for all instances, but in this one, Art did say it was due to the current owner. If someone does in fact own the drawings, then it really is ultimately up to them. It may not seem right, but its that persons prerogative.

Im sure if Art is ever allowed to share them they would be on the board as soon as he could get them here.
 
Actually... now that I am looking at the back of the rocket, in the heavily scratched up areas... I am seriously beginning to question if ANY of it is metal.... Keep in mind this is just ONE rocket... it doesn't by any means prove they are all like this...

rocket_back.jpg
 
So... is anyone else seeing the RED PLASTIC that is seen on the Fett stunt cod, the Fett stunt helmets and Leia's bikini?!? I would argue that at least THIS rocket tip is not metal at all (I do think the back part and the aluminum tip are metal). Maybe only one or a few masters were made and they were too heavy so they went to a plastic casting. Either way, I am pretty convinced this one is the same red plastic we see elsewhere.

What, the copper part? Nah, we stared at this picture a few weeks ago. The base copper still looks like plating to me. If it was plastic I'd expect the base copper color to have as much peeling as the clear coat, or at least some obvious gouges and scratches down to the base material (more red color).

EDIT: I'm still not convinced. That aluminum reflective property with scratches is too authentic looking to me. I still say that's machined.
 
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I think I'm seeing the red you are talking about, but I don't think it's the same thing as the stunt cod, bucket, and gold bikini. It doesn't look consistant, more like it's a trick of the camera...not sure what kind of camera took the photo but sometimes if the sensor or processor in the camera doesn't "know what to do with" the information it sees it kinda "makes something up" I think that's what we are seeing. I could be way off there but for now that's my theory.
 
I do thoroughly believe that there were many rockets used, no doubt there. I am sure combination of metal and plastic was used simply due to the nature of the production and the variations that Fett took.

Interesting theory there Art, I do see what you are referring to in the plastic.
 
Art, please, this is in no way a personal attack, I am not naming you. I am questioning the community at large why we do this type of behavior?

I totally understand where you are coming from. I don't want to go into great detail about it, but the stuff is being sold and is why I am not saying more. And no, it isn't being sold by me. While some of your comments are dead on, it isn't the case in this instance. It is more of a business thing for the person who owns it. I am only sharing what I know (which I literally found out about this last week, so it isn't something I have been sitting on) in an effort to help this search. While we see a lot of "I know but can't tell you" in the prop community, I think you will have to admit, that there is very little of it here at TDH.
 
I think I'm seeing the red you are talking about, but I don't think it's the same thing as the stunt cod, bucket, and gold bikini. It doesn't look consistant, more like it's a trick of the camera...not sure what kind of camera took the photo but sometimes if the sensor or processor in the camera doesn't "know what to do with" the information it sees it kinda "makes something up" I think that's what we are seeing. I could be way off there but for now that's my theory.

CCD's dont just arbitrarily make stuff up. They are incredibly similar to film in that when exposed to light, its processes the information. Lighting is really what photography is all about - Art would know this as well. I am not defending the red or denying it, but I am doubting its a random act of the camera itself.
 
If the original machinist plans and drawings were found, why would we even doubt which material was used? Even you seemed to doubt that it was custom machined in copper when fettpride and spideyfett got their new missile out.

This info JUST became available to me. When we were debating Spidey's rocket, I didn't know about the drawings.
 
I totally understand where you are coming from. I don't want to go into great detail about it, but the stuff is being sold and is why I am not saying more. And no, it isn't being sold by me. While some of your comments are dead on, it isn't the case in this instance. It is more of a business thing for the person who owns it. I am only sharing what I know (which I literally found out about this last week, so it isn't something I have been sitting on) in an effort to help this search. While we see a lot of "I know but can't tell you" in the prop community, I think you will have to admit, that there is very little of it here at TDH.

Very cool and I am glad you didn't take it personal. I appreciate the explanation and I understand it. You just did what the majority of prop hounds don't do. You took the time to address it instead of saying "just trust me, even though I can't tell you". You gave an explanation of your stance. Any mind of reason would give you the respect for that and let it be.

While for the most part, the TDH does not suffer from the vanity of nondisclosure, I am glad this thread on the rocket has remained civil and people are being open, not asking for blind faith followed by a white wash.
 
depending on the resolution and settings etc. if there isn't enough information the processor in the camera will sometimes fudge things, it can also happen in the compression process taking the raw info and converting it to JPG.
 
What, the copper part? Nah, we stared at this picture a few weeks ago. The base copper still looks like plating to me. If it was plastic I'd expect the base copper color to have as much peeling as the clear coat, or at least some obvious gouges and scratches down to the base material (more red color).

EDIT: I'm still not convinced. That aluminum reflective property with scratches is too authentic looking to me. I still say that's machined.

I am not making definitive statements, just saying what I believe to be true. I agree that the aluminum seems very convincing, but the scratches and dings along the back show something that, to me, don't look like what I would expect to see from scratched or dinged aluminum. Also, I feel confident the base of the "copper" piece is the read plastic we have come to know and love. I just see it in too many places. I have gone back and looked at the MoM photos and where it is scratched and scraped... nothing but copper, leading me to believe that one was actual metal.
 
depending on the resolution and settings etc. if there isn't enough information the processor in the camera will sometimes fudge things, it can also happen in the compression process taking the raw info and converting it to JPG.


ohhh - Gotmaul is gonna take that personal. You're saying that he doesn't know how to use his high end camera. :lol:lol:

Just kidding. Yes camera's settings always play a huge roll on picture quality.

And as far as keeping things or information to yourself. The best thing to do, if you have informationa, and you can't talk about or show images...

DONT TALK ABOUT IT!

:D
 
Looking analytically here, the holes do not match up on any of these model kits. The Fett missile (or whatever we want to call it) has 3 rows of holes that are in line with each other, and no quite as narrow. All these ones seem to offset a bit, and are longer/narrower. This is just brainstorming really, because if this part was intended to be used and finally just inspired a custom piece it wouldn't really matter. Just some thoughts to consider while researching.
 
ohhh - Gotmaul is gonna take that personal. You're saying that he doesn't know how to use his high end camera. :lol:lol:

Just kidding. Yes camera's settings always play a huge roll on picture quality.

And as far as keeping things or information to yourself. The best thing to do, if you have informationa, and you can't talk about or show images...

DONT TALK ABOUT IT!

:D

AMEN! thank you brother.
 
Count Dookie,

To what do you attribute the red base color that appears to be UNDER the copper color in the circled areas? I am saying the red plastic because I don't know what else it would be, but I am totally open to other theories!

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