Are the ESB shin tools different versus ROTJ/SE?
Are the ESB shin tools different versus ROTJ/SE?
They are the same tools, just less are required for the RoTJ suit. specifically the jet pack tool and knife are optional (but allowed).
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think you can ever actually see the tools in ROTJ or SE on screen. They are present in the promo pics but on the screen captures you never see the tools present.
So you only have promo and what is assumed about ROTJ and SE.
Like I said some one can correct me if there is actual screen pics......
I don't mean to hijack this thread but figured it would be better than a new thread. Is the patterson squeegee supposed to be cut down? I have one but it seems too long for the shin pockets.
The tools are not the same, because the ROTJ/SE had the Supertrooper/early Pre-Pro #1 Anti-Security Blade (a longer version), while the ESB had a shorter version of the same tool. Some info here ==> All Boba Fett Shin Tools Stencils and more here ==> RafalFett's Misc Templates and Blueprints. The Sonic Beam Weapon looks the same, but as others noted, the ROTJ had only 2 tools:
The ROTJ SE is a difficult one, because there are at least 3 sets of promo shoots: the 1st set doesn't have any shin tools, the 2nd has 2 Anty-Security Blades (1 ROTJ Hero and 1 Pre-Pro #2) while the 3rd set has all the tools, but not all of them original tools.
The Jetpack Adjustment Tool and the Sonic Beam Weapon looks like they took them from the Star Wars Visual Dictionary:
Awesome information, thanks RafalFett
anti-security blade is not the same as the one use in ESB. There are noticeable differences that could potentially jeopardize 501st approval, primarily the visible red stripe that is visible in ROTJ hero screen caps. The black "vibro-plate" is also skinnier and longer than that used in ESB.
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images used for the ESB and ROTJ shin tools both reference the same image in both the "final" ESB costume that Darth Voorhees wore and the unfinished ROTJ version CRLs. Darth, being the purest he is, chose to have his suit mirror what was shown in the movie picture whereas in ROTJ no shin tools were actually worn as Rafal mentioned above. Specifically, both CRLS specify to make it per the Star Wars dictionary reference, most of which was made up (as Rafal also pointed out). Per 501st specs for ROTJ you only need the Sonic Beam Weapon and Anti-Security blade. The other two parts (Survival Knife and Jetpack adjustment tool) are completely optional for ROTJ.
Well here is some specific info pertaining to the shin tools that Rafal has come up with in his research.
You are incorrect in this statement cause the Anti-Security blade shown in the CRL's for both ESB & ROTJ Boba Fett are in fact the ROTJ version based on Rafal's research. And in looking closely at Lou's Anti-Security blade that he has in his pocket it doesn't have the red stripe. So the reference photos for the Anti-Security Blade on the CRL isn't Lou's.Your statement is incorrect. The referenced images used for the ESB and ROTJ shin tools both reference the same image in both the "final" ESB costume that Darth Voorhees wore and the unfinished ROTJ version CRLs
crumdum, i'm not sure what is incorrect about visible fact. your statement that the tools are the same from ESB to ROTJ is false. the anti security blade used in ESB is not the same anti security blade used in the ROTJ hero suit.
you must have missed it, but Raf is specifically referencing ROTJ SE when speaking about the absence of shin tools. and if you looked at the post directly above the SE pics, you'll see that Raf clearly indicates the differences and even provides links to his very useful shin tool blueprint threads further outlining the different AS blades. in no way was i referencing SE otherwise i would have said ROTJ SE in my original post. i did not say it 'would jeopardize' approval, i said it 'could potentially jeopardize' approval. I'm sure Lou, in all his purity, would agree that screen accuracy is the easiest and most secure route towards any approval. my goal is merely to steer those interested in accuracy down the right path and since this thread is asking about specific differences it was assumed that accuracy was the goal of the OP.
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For Sonic weapon...
Shin Tool: Sonic Beam Weapon
For 501st approval:
- May be made as shown in the Star Wars Visual Dictionary or from original found part.
- The Sonic Beam Weapon is a Patterson Squeegee, still available from photography supply companies (or a cast replica).
This is stated very clearly in the CRLs for BOTH ESB and ROTJ. So if you get the version shown in the Star Wars Visual Dictionary for both versions...for CRL purposes you are fine. This is also true for the anti-security blade.
@Jbdubsz I looked through every single screen capture of ROTJ including ROTJ SE shots and failed to find a single movie image screen capture that showed Boba Fett wearing any shin tools. Let me know if you find any images where he is actually wearing them.
Last edited by crumdum; Aug 30, 2015 at 8:18 PM.
I will warn people that it doesn't matter much what people here on TDH think the costume standards are for Boba Fett, for 501st credentialing purposes it matters whats in the CRLs. The fact that the CRLS conflict with what's shown on screen and conflict with image references used by the site should not be lost on the viewer. That being said the CRLS allow the same shin tools in both ESB and ROTJ that match the star wars visual dictionary. Raf already has proven that those items in the dictionary are completely fictional, but that doesn't mean they are against the CRL.
Cbrant I always looked to see what was shown in the movies because that ultimately was George Lucas's vision for how the characters were to be. If this wasn't the case Han would have still fired first in Episode IV.