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    Sep 14, 2012, 10:23 AM - ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #1

    Righto, I know I've banged on about this before and the matter has been bothering me more and more. I think that the Pulley front half on the ESB EE3 looks to be too small. I know the connecting rod is a cert but I cannot make that Pulley front half match the dimensions of the piece stuck to the Webley no matter how I place it and no matter the angle.

    I've been watching through the Blu Ray over and over and I'm pretty much convinced. The best view I can see of the side of the rifle is when Han gets betrayed. The weird thing is that in those shots it is abuntdantly clear that the connecting rod is not there. Fettered has been looking at this too and he can't see it either.

    It simply is not there. It's absense means that the disc is far easier to make out and can bemore clearly viewed in some HD screen grabs from the gallery.

    Boba Fett Empire Strikes Back Costume - HD Screen Captures - The Dented Helmet Gallery

    What is interesting is that because the Blaster is being viewed from the side pretty much straight on there is very little foreshortening to deal with so the size of the disc in proportion to the Webley is far easier to determine. Look how close the disc sits to the gently curved line on the chamber. Also consider that the top of the disc sits pretty much in line with what would be the natural continuation of the line as it straights out to then run along the barrel (where the light catches it).

    Convential wisdom says that the part is the Pulley Front half. Part 107.


    But compare the size of the Pulley front half on this Webley (crudely stuck on). From looking at various pictures I think the position is about right. From all the pictures and endless pausing of the BD I think the disc slightly overlaps the end of the chamber (the line where the barrel starts) and there is also a small part of the breaching point sticking out from under it.



    Doesn't look big enough.

    Now check this HD grab.

    Boba Fett Empire Strikes Back Costume - HD Screen Captures - The Dented Helmet Gallery

    This clearly has a raised section in the middle. I did consider that maybe this could be the remains of a connecting rod whereby the 'arm' had snapped off but I don't think so. Bare in mind that these parts were glued on and as we know had a habbit of falling off. I think it would be quite difficult to snap off the arm of the rod in such a way that it the rest would remain attached to the disc. If it came of then it came off in one piece. In any event it looks too small and circular to me to be the remains of a connecting rod.

    and see here too.

    Boba Fett Empire Strikes Back Costume - HD Screen Captures - The Dented Helmet Gallery

    Step forward part 43. Timing gear, camshaft front.





    I know, you're thinking 'serrated'

    but look



    This is clearly a better size and I can't find an image from the movie that is clear enough to say whether the disc is serrated or not. I think it's a strong candidate but whatever else may be I know I won't be using a Pulley front half.

    Live the......

    Andy
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  2. Sep 14, 2012, 11:14 AM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #2

    Whoa! You are onto something! I was thinking this SAME thing. The disc always looked flatter and larger to me than what we are currently using. Im 100% sure it is larger actually lol.
    here are the best reference pics i have from the promo pics..you may have these already, but just in case...

    taken from this pic:


    and this one:

    taken from this pic:


    Looks like the holes in it are triangular-ish. It doesnt seem like it has a serated edge, but they could have dremeled that off in a second. Even with the teeth removed, this wheel would still be signifigantly larger than the pulley front we are currently using. Even if its not the right part...i think its better than the pulley front. I was actually considering fabricating something that looked more like what i see in those pics.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 11:21 AM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #3

    Thanks DV, I had seen those but grateful you took the time to post them, I was too lazy.

    Size does matter (ahem).
  4. Sep 14, 2012, 11:29 AM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #4

    so they say! LOL!

    This part has been urking me as well. Please keep us posted if you discover anything else it could be! Though thats definitely a good candidate!
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    Sep 14, 2012, 11:44 AM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #5

    Always interesting to dig in with this stuff! If you get a chance, can you post some shots of the con rod with part #43 and also dry fitted to the Webley the way you think it should be?

    Thanks!

    - - - Updated - - -

    One thing I don't like about 43 is the lack of a step around the circumference of the part that seems to be present in photos. I think that is what is so appealing about 107, though I too am thinking this might be too small. I think comparing it to the con rod measurement wise might offer some more insight.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 11:48 AM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #6

    Thanks guys, I was in a a bit of a fix for time but so excited that I wanted to post. I actually could only find the gum in my mouth to fasten it all with (Unpleasant, I know). I didn't add the connecting rod as it clearly isn't in the screen grab but I didn't really have time to fix it up with the connecting rod (and I only had one piece of gum).
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    Sep 14, 2012, 11:54 AM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #7

    Quote Fettered said: View Post

    One thing I don't like about 43 is the lack of a step around the circumference of the part that seems to be present in photos. I think that is what is so appealing about 107, though I too am thinking this might be too small. I think comparing it to the con rod measurement wise might offer some more insight.
    I have considered this and looking at the promo photo's I have to say that I cannot definitively see a step. I can't. I could if I thought it was the pulley front half and wanted it to be but I don't. I can see the edge/a shadow..... The problem with the pulley front half is that everyone 'knows' that that's what it is but do they really?

    Look at the first link to the HD grab. Too big for the pulley front half. Not part 107. No way.

    The truth is that it is accepted to be right so everyone thinks it must be. The ASI is a perfect example of this.

    In any event I am looking at a screen grab from the actual film and not the promo shots which is why I can't say if the edge is serrated or not.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 12:05 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #8

    I hear you. Shots such as the first close-up DV posted seem to indicate it is there, shots like the second close-up he posted seem to indicate it is not. But for size comparison I think using the con-rod as a guide would be helpful as it is centered on whatever the round piece is.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 12:24 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #9

    Quote Fettered said: View Post
    I hear you. Shots such as the first close-up DV posted seem to indicate it is there, shots like the second close-up he posted seem to indicate it is not. But for size comparison I think using the con-rod as a guide would be helpful as it is centered on whatever the round piece is.

    I'll get my gum!
  10. Sep 14, 2012, 12:27 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #10

    LOL

    I think im getting way to happy about this thread lol
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    Sep 14, 2012, 12:37 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #11

    Quote Darth Voorhees said: View Post
    LOL

    I think im getting way to happy about this thread lol
    It's the gum, isn't it?
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    Sep 14, 2012, 12:38 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #12

    A different piece of gum



    edit: further to this why not check out any one of the great builds using resin kits where the pulley front half has been used with the connecting rod and the difference is obvious immediately. I cannot be the PFH, part 107.

    Here's an example from this year (if you don't like me linking your thread then let me know and I will remove).

    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/w...las-ee3-44159/
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    Sep 14, 2012, 1:17 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #13

    Close ups from the HD grabs. Definite raised circular section in the centre.







    That's no moon.
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  14. Sep 14, 2012, 1:45 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #14

    I dunno man...that looks awfully close to me. the only thing throwing me is the "teeth" I mean, they could be filled or dremeled off. Your gonna make me go buy that model lol mebbe ill make a set of these for myself and see what people think.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 1:57 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #15

    Quote Darth Voorhees said: View Post
    I dunno man...that looks awfully close to me. the only thing throwing me is the "teeth" I mean, they could be filled or dremeled off. Your gonna make me go buy that model lol mebbe ill make a set of these for myself and see what people think.
    and consider my top picture of my Webley and Pulley Front half. There is a small 'pin' just to the left of it that is far enough away that it should be visible in any one of a number of these shots if the pulley front half were the piece used but it can't be seen in any of them. Then consider the second of my shots where the Timing gear is used, it's so much closer that the pin in right on the cusp and in it's shadow. Any slight deviation from a straight view or a view from the rear and it wold be totally obscured.

    Not sure if it makes a difference to price (it will to availability) but the modern Revell Visible V8 has connecting rods, pulley front half and the Timing Gear that are identical to the 1977 model. There are differences but those pieces are the same, I think they even have the same part numbers in the different kits.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 2:11 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #16

    Oops, forgot to add this one at the start. Compares well to the last grab

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    Sep 14, 2012, 2:14 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #17

    The teeth throw me a little too, but so do the dark spots on the piece just above (larger dark spot) and in front of (small dark dot) the rod in the photos that include it. They don't seem to jive with the cutouts in either model part to me, but I believe intwenothor thinks those spots may be replicable with 43 though, which would be awesome.

    I hope chewing gum isn't harmful to Webley patina!
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    Sep 14, 2012, 3:17 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #18

    That timing gear part# 43 was used on the end of Bossk's rifle.

    Here's a reference on partsofstarwars: Rebley v10 (Bossk's Gun)
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    Sep 14, 2012, 3:22 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #19

    Quote Fettered said: View Post
    The teeth throw me a little too, but so do the dark spots on the piece just above (larger dark spot) and in front of (small dark dot) the rod in the photos that include it. They don't seem to jive with the cutouts in either model part to me, but I believe intwenothor thinks those spots may be replicable with 43 though, which would be awesome.

    I hope chewing gum isn't harmful to Webley patina!
    I didn't even give the gum a second thought. Anything that survives a war and is still around one hundred years later is not going to be phased by Wrigley's.

    Also consider that part 43 is light grey from my model but that the disc is clearly painted a dark colour and that would make a massive difference.
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    Sep 14, 2012, 3:30 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #20

    Quote Azrok said: View Post
    That timing gear part# 43 was used on the end of Bossk's rifle.

    Here's a reference on partsofstarwars: Rebley v10 (Bossk's Gun)
    Can't see the teeth there either.

    Looking at that convinces me more.
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  21. Sep 14, 2012, 7:27 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #21

    Quote intwenothor said: View Post
    and consider my top picture of my Webley and Pulley Front half. There is a small 'pin' just to the left of it that is far enough away that it should be visible in any one of a number of these shots if the pulley front half were the piece used but it can't be seen in any of them. Then consider the second of my shots where the Timing gear is used, it's so much closer that the pin in right on the cusp and in it's shadow. Any slight deviation from a straight view or a view from the rear and it wold be totally obscured.

    Not sure if it makes a difference to price (it will to availability) but the modern Revell Visible V8 has connecting rods, pulley front half and the Timing Gear that are identical to the 1977 model. There are differences but those pieces are the same, I think they even have the same part numbers in the different kits.
    yea, theres a hobby shop a few blocks away from me that carries it. Its 59.99. I may just get it!

    Quote intwenothor said: View Post
    Can't see the teeth there either.

    Looking at that convinces me more.
    yup. me as well
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    Sep 14, 2012, 7:40 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #22

    This is a very exciting thread! Despite having bought and epoxied what very well may be proven as an inaccurate part, this is pretty cool
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    Sep 16, 2012, 1:39 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #24

    I think this shot is a strong argument for your part. It looks to me as though the three oblong/curved holes in the piece have been filled in, as you can still see the pattern.
  24. Sep 16, 2012, 10:32 PM - Re: ESB EE3 Breach Greeblie(s). #25

    I think the third "no connecting rod" pic also is a stong argument for the part. Like fettered said, and i see it in this pic as well, the curved slot holes seem to be there and filled in. I may really go buy this model sooner rather than later and make myself a set!

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