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    Jan 22, 2013, 7:53 PM - ESB Cape Appears to Have Seams #1

    I am surprised there is not tutorial in the soft parts templates for the cape. This is one part of the costume that no one seams to give much thought to. As I am researching the cape, the one thing that strikes me is that I have yet to see a fan cape that drapes like the original. I, like others, am of the belief that the ESB cape was part of a blanket.

    I picked up an old wool blanket that I recently cut and dyed. It drapes like the real thing and just seams more correct. I will post a picture soon, but I have notice that the ESB cape appears to have seams. One running across the stripe. one on the leading edge and one that appears to make a shaped shoulder. Check out the picture. Thoughts?
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    Jan 22, 2013, 8:54 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #2

    I agree with ya on it being a lighter material like wool by the way it drapes and sways. Good eyes on seeing the seam, I didn't see that till now.
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    Jan 22, 2013, 8:59 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #3

    Your evidence seems pretty compelling so far. I wonder what Rafal will have to say on it?
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    Jan 22, 2013, 9:18 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #4

    Upon looking at more images, I am not so sure the shoulder has a seam. I may just be a fold, but I think there still unanswered questions on the cape.
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    Jan 22, 2013, 10:44 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #5

    I don't believe that the bottom one is a seem, probably just a fold.
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    Jan 22, 2013, 11:05 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #6

    Could even be a thread that was pulled out...not sure if that sounds right but like Ive seen when a thread is messed up in my ABU theres like a seam looking line but its not a seem.
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    Jan 22, 2013, 11:51 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #7

    If you look up the same HD pic in the gallery the bottom line is just a defect of some sort in the fabric there are no stitches. I've researched the cape to some extent and done some tests with wool and I couldnt iron a hem in the edges that sharp it just wouldnt do it. There are 2 pics in the gallery also that show the orange stripe is on both sides as well. The fabric does look like a very light weight wool or wool blend but I've searched high and low and havent found both correct colors. When enlarged the line between colors is razor sharp and there are no topstitches either.

    I've toyed with the idea of having a run of custom wool done with the stripe but these would be pricey capes likely for the purist.
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    Jan 23, 2013, 2:12 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #8

    I have to agree with woodman! I did an image compiled with HD images of the ESB cape (warning: huge image) and in most of them the line pointed out by SPY007 seems like a fold line in the fabric, similar to blankets when you fold it in half then again in half then put it away for later use; after a while when you unfold the blanket you'll notice those specific fold lines as seen in the ESB cape:

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    The only cape similar to the ESB style with stitches only around the edges is the Pre-Pro #1 cape (the ROTJ cape is NOT the reused Pre-Pro #1 cape) but it differs in color and material:

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    Jan 23, 2013, 3:16 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #9

    Again Raf shows us just how much he is the master of all things fett. This may seem a bit dumb but there isn't any documentation on what the cape is made of or what it actually is?
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    Jan 23, 2013, 4:06 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #10

    Quote Jc27 said: View Post
    Again Raf shows us just how much he is the master of all things fett. This may seem a bit dumb but there isn't any documentation on what the cape is made of or what it actually is?
    At some point there was a discussion about the probability of the use of Swiss army blankets which has a long stripe across the fabric, but the material looks too fluffy and the stripe is too thin:

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    My guess is that this might be a custom made cape, well at least until we find (if ever) the original part used.

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    Another lead was the Hudson's Bay blanket posted in 2003 by MaxPlague in this thread ==> FOUND:The real ESB cape... I believe

    And this thread's question was already discussed in another thread ==> Seam in ESB cape? with the same results.
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    Jan 23, 2013, 7:59 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #11

    Were there any new images in The Making o Empire book? If the stripe is on both sides with no stitches visible, I would think it was woven in. I think it would be tough to dye in stripe.

    UPDATE A wool blanket would be too thick to have those double folded hems IMO.

    Also, the holes don't appear as frayed as many of the fan capes I' have seen.
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    Jan 23, 2013, 8:50 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #12

    Yeh its nothing heavy looking at it it seems like a simlar canvas type material like the Shelter.
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    Jan 23, 2013, 9:12 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #13

    Would canvas drape that nice though?
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    Jan 24, 2013, 6:19 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #14

    I did this template of the ESB Cape using my own measurements of the armor and the jetpack as a guide, and I also searched the net for some colors that look close to colors of the ESB Stills and Screencaps in the Gallery:

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    Here are other colors that are pretty close:

    Stripe Main Color
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    Walnut Brown Sepia Brown
    Medium Brown Taupe

    But these colors might not be the same before dyeing, so this is mostly a color guide for the final result.

    Have fun!
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    Jan 24, 2013, 8:40 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #15

    Raf,

    That's great...... you are a continued source of great info and personally help me to make mine better all the time.....
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    Jan 24, 2013, 9:33 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #16

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    Raf,

    That's great...... you are a continued source of great info and personally help me to make mine better all the time.....
    Thanks! I try to do my best.
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    Jan 24, 2013, 9:46 AM - #17

    25" long is very short my capes are 36" long. Mine are 30" wide.
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    Jan 24, 2013, 11:11 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #18

    Quote woodman said: View Post
    25" long is very short my capes are 36" long. Mine are 30" wide.
    You were partially right about the length. I did another measurement and I was 'rewarded' with an extra 130 mm, so I got a total 780 mm (30.71 inch) long cape, which means that the cape had a square shape (at least according to my measurements).
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    Jan 24, 2013, 12:11 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #19

    The Cape Template image at post #14 was replaced with a more accurate version which now has the physical weathering too. I also added a hi-res PNG image for a finer look.
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    Jan 24, 2013, 1:39 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #20

    i'm of the opinion that the cape was the old military style wool blanket.



    maybe even one of the red stripe, red cross ones that was left out in the sun too long or something. sun bleach can do some crazy color changes..
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    Jan 24, 2013, 8:31 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #21

    I looked fabric tonight called wool suiting, much thinner than a blanket. It looks great, but it still seemed too thick to allow for the nice hemmed edges seen in some movie stills. Those hems appear to have a double fold. I no longer think the cape was made from a blanket. Could a stripe have been spray painted or dyed? I seem to recall some one on the site saying they used dye to create a stripe. Rafel Fett. Your template looks great and explains why the cape appears to go over the shoulder.
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    Jan 24, 2013, 8:44 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #22

    Heck, any kind of bleaching can do weird things to colors. I was attempting to permanently weather some soft parts with cloth dyes when it all went wrong. To get rid of it (and the underlying fabric color for a re-dye), I used RIT's color remover. While my ESB flightsuit managed to somehow retain its original color yet bleach out the offending pinkish hue, my ESB cape turned green with a yellow stripe. Weird.

    After experiencing that, I can get onboard with JimmyC's suggestion about the interesting color changes that any sort of bleaching can do.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 6:19 AM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #23

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    Rafel Fett. Your template look great and explains why the cape appears to over the shoulder.
    Thanks!
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    Jan 25, 2013, 3:06 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #24

    Come on someone make these so I can buy one...lol
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    Jan 25, 2013, 7:57 PM - Re: ESB Cape Appears to Have Seems #25

    I'm going to switch to the dimensions Raf provided but I wont be switching to wool until concrete proof comes to light that it is in fact a wool fabric. Wool is very expensive and while the Khaki color may not be difficult to find the strip color will be it's just not a style current color. Switching to wool will also make these capes much more costly. Wool suiting is$20-$25 per yard.

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