EE3 scope. An alternative to the ASI. Vintage part bashing. Pic heavy.

Brothers and sisters, I’ve been a member here for a while now but have not really posted much as I have never had much constructive to add and so didn’t want to end up pad posting. I’m still in the early days of building my Fett and I know it’s a long process. As I read through the boards I find that there is a great quest for original parts and super accuracy. One of the parts in great demand is the ASI 4x20 scope with correct tall feet. I am sure many here will frequently be on the lookout for these as I am but having little success. Although there are probably far more important parts out there I became somewhat obsessed with this small piece. I turned my attention to attempting to part bash a scope from real vintage parts and thought my progress might be of interest to some struggling scope hunters out there. Apologies if I am duplicating the work of others and this is all rather old hat but I couldn’t see a thread in the boards although do wait to be corrected.

I’ve studied quite a lot of photo’s and reference material as well as reading and re reading many old threads posted in the boards to this point and think I’m very close if not nearly spot on unfortunately I don’t have the real thing to directly compare to (in which case I probably wouldn’t have done this) so I can never be quite certain.

The scope I have created has the exact dimensions of the ASI scope pictured in this thread by Sidewinder:
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/m...elp-pls-30778/

In order to create this scope I used parts from four different vintage scopes (although it could actually have been accomplished with three). Excuse my photography skills.

The scope came from:
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 – 1
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0237.jpg

Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 – 2

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0236.jpg


Apart from the obvious difference of the branding the scopes themselves are also different in a couple of subtle ways. More on that in a moment.

BSA 4x20 Scope (1950s)

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0239.jpg

and a Webley and Scott 4x15. Sorry no picture available as it would involve taking my Frankenscope apart in order to rebuild it.

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Here is a picture of a Webley 4 x 15 almost identical to the one I used to build the Frankenscope. The only difference that I can see being the screw heads on the windage blocks; they are better than the ones I used on my original Frankenscope, they are rounder and more domed. The ones on the windage block from my first Webley 4 x 15 were much flatter (see below).

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0277.jpg

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0281.jpg

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I don’t necessarily know which of the Nikko Stirling Mounties is older so I refer to them as “1” and “2” respectively as that is the order in which they were purchased.

So, the main tube body of the scope is from Nikko Stirling 1. The tube on Nikko Stirling 2 is not identical. The Nikko 2 tube is longer by roughly ¼ inch. Enough of a difference to be noticeable to the naked eye when constructed. This is not due just to the difference in overall length of the scope but because it puts out the position of the windage blocks a fraction which makes the overall dimension changes more noticeable. When I tried using the Nikko 2 I could not match the dimensions posted in the picture by Sidewinder.

The Labelled eyepiece with the brand name (the one that points to the front on the ESB blaster) is from the Webley 4x15.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0240.jpg

Ditto with the knurled ring, the 4x15 from Webley.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0241.jpg

The Windage block and elevation caps are from the Webley 4x15 also.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0242.jpg

The unbranded eyepiece is from the Nikko Stirling Mountie – 2.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0243.jpg

I had previously used the eyepiece from Nikko 1 but it’s dimensions did not quite please me. It appears fractionally shorter overall but more noticeable is the point at which the eyepiece tapers; the definition is sharper on the Nikko 1. The Nikko 2 has a much softer taper and this appeared closer to me.

Nikko 1 Eyepiece (rejected).

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0244.jpg


Comparison of Nikko Eyepieces. Nikko 2 is the preferred one at the top.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0245.jpg

Scope mounts with correct hero rings and tall feet were from the BSA 4x20 from the 50’s. Here's a close up of the branding:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0238.jpg

Here is the completed scope:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0235.jpg


http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0234.jpg


http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0233.jpg

One area where I'm still not quite happy is the screws on the windage block; to me they appear slightly too flat and should have more of a dome shape to them, to be more rounded. I do have set that have the right shape on the screw head but to do not fit the screw holes. I had considered starting to chop bits up and securing them in place but reconsidered as i felt it defeated the point of the whole exercise. Overall I'm very happy with the results. The final used pieces were not the only scopes I looked at and compared just the pieces I chose finally. To simplify things I believe that you can get most of the way there with:

One Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (either)
One Webley and Scott 4x15.
This would get most of the components but might well leave you with a couple of deficiencies, the most notable of which would likely be that you would end up with the correct hero rings but the short mounting feet the others being sacrificing either overall dimensional satisfaction or the unbranded eyepiece dimensions.

Hope that was helpful to someone out there.

Live the dream.

Andy

Hey Andy , nice little piece , you may be interested to know The scope made in japan was released by the same manufacturers under different brand names hence similarities . See an ASI 4x20 scope went for £180 on ebay yesterday !

That is a fine piece of frankenscope! Love it man!

Very nice! My scope is a mashup of a few different ones as well. Great job!!

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Hey Andy , nice little piece , you may be interested to know The scope made in japan was released by the same manufacturers under different brand names hence similarities .

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Thanks dude. I know the symbol you mean, like a wavy line with a straight line through it. It can just be seen on the Webley branded eyepiece. in one of the full length pictures. When I realised an ASI was going to be a hard find I started looking at a lot of these old scopes. God knows how many have been through my hands in the last few months. Some on the usual websites but also from charity shops and car boot sales. I've become pretty sucked in by the whole searching for vintage parts. My hunt for Exactra calculators has led to some other pretty bizarre knowledge that I never intended to have but have accumulated on the way. The thing is I'm still interested in trying to find out what other combinations are out there. I'll post any findings.

You may think I paid too much but I'm quite pleased. Actually I'm surprised that no one else bid. I'm looking forward to comparing to my frankenscope to see how close I got. I know the mounts are wrong but I have those.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-A-...1841ff6http://

Right. My ASI 4x20 arrived today and I've compared it to my Frankenscope. I really think the Frankenscope is very, very close and some parts are clearly absolutely identical. It's still not perfect, as noted before and there are still a couple of deficiencies including one I was not aware of as I had not actually seen a real ASI before, only a cast and pretty poor one at that.

Anyway. Here are some direct comparison pictures.

First is a comparison of the ASI and Webley 4x15 Branded eyepieces. They are identical (except for the branding of course).
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0250.jpg

Knurled rings. ASI on the left. Webley 4x15 on the right. Identical.
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...ebleyright.jpg

Here's the windage block and elevation caps on the Webley 4x15. It is the same as the ASI 4x20 with the exception of the screws that attach it to the tube of the scope. The Frankenscope (top) features screws which are too flat. The ASI screws are rounder than the Webley. I had thought this would be the case as noted in a previous post.
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0252.jpg

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0253.jpg

A comparison of the unbranded eyepieces. My Frankescope uses the unbranded eyepiece from the Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20. The overall shape is fairly good but not exact. One feature I hadn't known about was the the ASI unbranded eyepiece has an extra piece of detail, almost like a lip where the eyepiece attaches to the tube. On the Nikko the eyepiece tapers straight to the tube and sits flush without an extra stage. I've tried to do a close of what I mean up but it's a bit blurry.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0254.jpg

Extra lip on ASI.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/Extralip.jpg

Here is an overall comparison of the two.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0257.jpg

So, I still think it's a real viable alternative to the ASI by means of part bashing. Secondly (and I realise many of you will be aware of this already) there are of course other scopes that share the same dimensions as the ASI and only have different branding. I have acquired one of these and so this is also a viable alterantive and no doubt preferable to a frankenscope for many. If you can find one of course, I'm not sure these are very common either.

The Sussex armoury 4x20.

With the exception of the brand name this is absolutely identical to the ASI 4x20 in every single facet. I have not troubled with the same number of comparisons of the different parts. Please take my word, it is identical. Mine has a little dink in the eyepiece but it's barely noticable and of course it shares the wavy line with the straight line through/infinity symbol that's a major factor in the search.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0259.jpg

A comparison of the Sussex Armoury 4x20 and the ASI 4x20. ASI on the top. There the same, including the extra lip on the unbranded eyepiece.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0260.jpg

Here are all three compared. ASI on top. Frankescope in the middle. Sussex Armoury on the bottom.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0258.jpg

I should point out the following; The ASI cost me £65.00 plus £3-4 P&P which is aorund the $100 mark. The Sussex Armoury cost me £3.99 plus a couple of quid P&P. £3.99 is less than $7.00 (I saw one go very recently on ebay for around £25.00 - the other was the one I bought about a week before). I don't know how much I have spent buying various scopes since I started in February this year for the Frankescope as the ones I didn't need I sold. I can't keep track of what the true cost is without putting some effort in and I can't really be bothered. However if you were choosing the Frankenscope method and used this thread as a start point you can go straight to the parts I got without buying extra models only to find they are incompatible. If you can't put a nice looking frankenscope together for £30 - £40 I'd be surprised.

.......and my MOW boots turned up today. Those things are ruddy awesome. If you're on the fence I think you should get off it. I think they are well worth the money. Well worth it. Looking forward to colouring them.

Live dream etc.

Andy

You got a pretty good deal on that ASI! (and an awesome deal on the Sussex Amoury one)
Somebody paid far more for a correct ASI recently and someone else paid WAY too much for an incorrect ASI. People need to watch out. Just because it's an ASI doesn't mean it's correct. Yours looks perfect.
The Sussex Armoury has been mentioned before. It's a great alternative to the ASI. It was determined before that the little squiggly line next to "Japan" on the scopes indicates that they were made by the same manufacturer. They were just branded differently for sale in the UK.
Someone else got a great deal on a Sussex Armoury scope this week (not as good as your deal though).

Hey Chris, thanks for your comments. I'm a massive fan of Parts of Star Wars of course. A great site. I was pretty pleased with the ASI price but I knew the Sussex was cheap. Even for a cheap 4x20 scope it's cheap.

Is it me or have there been a glut of ASI 4x20 on ebay in the last month?

I reckon that people have seen one or two go for silly money and thought: 'Blimey people are paying over £100 for a cheap old scope, I've got one in the loft and it's going on ebay......'

Hey Andy , you're right there has been a bit of a run of ASI's on ebay for silly money ! Nice little piece on the scopes you added matey !!:thumbsup

There's been one dealer with a bunch of ASI's recently. Only one was really good and it went for crazy money. The incorrect ones went pretty high too.
I highly recommend people LOOK CLOSELY at what they're bidding on.
Check the pics of the ASI in this thread for what a correct one looks like.
Not all Sussex Armoury scopes are correct either.
Look for the squiggly line symbol (sideways backwards S with a line through it).
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0259.jpg
Check the adjustment knobs, the knob base, eyepiece, knurled ring etc.

Another bit of interesting ASI info...
There are ASI's with metal eyepieces and some with plastic eyepieces. They're virtually identical and VERY hard to tell apart in pictures. The eyepieces on the plastic one are just a little wider in diameter (plastic is thicker than metal for strength). I'm pretty certain the metal one is the correct version.

I believe that both my ASI and my Sussex have metal eye pieces.

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I believe that both my ASI and my Sussex have metal eye pieces.

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It looks like they do in the closeup pics. There's some wear at the edges showing a little metal.
The plastic is noticeable when you see it in person.
I only have one plastic ASI. The metal ones are probably older and more common.

Does the ASI with the plastic eyepiece have dimensional differences to the metal one?

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There's been one dealer with a bunch of ASI's recently. Only one was really good and it went for crazy money. The incorrect ones went pretty high too.
I highly recommend people LOOK CLOSELY at what they're bidding on.
Check the pics of the ASI in this thread for what a correct one looks like.
Not all Sussex Armoury scopes are correct either.
Look for the squiggly line symbol (sideways backwards S with a line through it).

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This is too true. People need to watch out. An incorrect ASI 4x20 sold for £121 recently on ebay. The winner of that auction then appears to have sold that same scope on for just £2.20. Ouch!

Anyway... On another subject. I posted recently in another thread that I didn't think that the correct scope hero rings (receiver rings) with tall feet were all that difficult to find but was very politely pooh poohed and told I had been lucky (I also posted I found a set on a Nikko Sterling Mountie in that same thread, which after looking back was incorrect - I have since put an edit to address that part of the post).

I stand by my original comment in that I do not think they are too tough to find. I managed to acquire three sets in under six months and let a fourth set slip away on 24/06/2012 (wasn't prepared to bid high enough on ebay).

Having reviewed all the old scopes I bought to make my Frankenscope it is true that I obtained a set from a BSA 4 x 20 from 1958. I originally thought I'd got another set from one of the Nikko Sterling Mounties I'd bought but I was mistaken. Both the NS Mounties I bought had the correct receiver/hero rings but both came with the shorter feet as did many of the old scopes I obtained. I'm sure you all know that the rings with the short feet a really very common. As I looked through everything I'd bought and the pictures of them before I started messing around and moving parts I found that the other two set of Hero/receiver scope rings with the tall feet both came from the same scope (albeit different models of the same scope). The set of rings that I let slip away on 24/06/2012 were also attached to the same scope. This one:

Webley Scope/Sights - 4x15 | eBay

You can't see it in this picture but I emailed the seller for some better pics and it did have the tall feet. I think it too much of a coincidence to see these on the same scope and variants three times in under six months. I therefore believe that people looking for the correct hero/receiver rings with the tall feet should look for the Webley 4 x 15 scope.

One other thing. Those saving searches on ebay might consider expanding their searches to look for 'sights' as well as 'scopes'. Some of the scopes I have found and have got a good deal on have been listed as 'sights' and not 'scopes' (chiefly British) because so few people have bid on them and it is my belief that this is due to people looking for 'scopes' and not 'sights'.

Live the dream.

Andy

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An update on the correct hero/receiver rings and tall mounting pads/tabs/feet.

I got another Webley 4x15 recently, it was almost identical to the one I used in my original Frankescope build. The only difference being that the scre heads on the windage blocks were rounder and more domed, just like the one on the ASI 4x20 scope and the Sussex Armoury 4 x 20 Scope. I have updated my first post with some more pictures.

Also, here are some pictures of the two types of Webley 4 x 15 that I have bought to acquire these scope rings and tall feet. I have bougth three Webley 4 x 15 in the last six months or so. All had the correct rings and tall feet as well as the one that I let slip away on 24/06/2012 (above). That makes four sets of the correct feet and rings on the same scope in six months. I definitely recommend that anyone that needs the correct rings and feet goes for the Webley 4 x 15. Happy hunting.

The Webley I got this week. Almost identical (actually slightly better) than the one I used in Frankenscope.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_0277-1.jpg

A comparison with the other type of Webley 4 x 15 I bought. The scope rings removed to be put on the Sussex Armoury. Note that this is vastly differen to the other Webley and not much use for a Frankenscope. The only other part that is the same is the knurled ring. The windage black is different and although the dust caps on the elevation screws look correct they are marginally bigger than those used on the other Webley and the ASI and Sussex. They do not secure to the ASI or Sussex elevation screws. I have tried them. They are too big!

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0278.jpg

Eyepiece comparison.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0279.jpg

Different manufacturer symbols. The one we want is on the left. Incidently, I have seen ASI 4 x 20 scopes with the symbol on the right.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0280.jpg

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I recently saw a Hunter 4 x 20 scope on ebay. I'd never seen one before. It went too high for me so I didn't buy it. The seller's pictures weren't great but it looked to share much with the ASI and appeared to have the wavy line symbol on the branded eyepiece, although the branded eyepiece did not look correct. It seems the winning bidder was a Star Wars collector. Was it one of you guys? If so can anyone post some pictures of it or if anyone else has one anyway could they post pictures please?

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I recently saw a Hunter 4 x 20 scope on ebay. I'd never seen one before. It went too high for me so I didn't buy it. The seller's pictures weren't great but it looked to share much with the ASI and appeared to have the wavy line symbol on the branded eyepiece, although the branded eyepiece did not look correct. It seems the winning bidder was a Star Wars collector. Was it one of you guys? If so can anyone post some pictures of it or if anyone else has one anyway could they post pictures please?

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It was I who won it, with some help of a brittish mate since the seller only shipped within the UK.

I knew it was a star wars person. Congrats. That is a great looking scope. Tall feet on the correct receiver rings too. Would you be kind enough to post some pictures for me? It looked really, really close but as I wrote above his pictures weren't great. I'm really interested in the branded eyepiece. In his pictures it didn't look right but I coiuldn't really tell. I would certainly have put in a bid or two if I hadn't already tracked down my ASI but I still want to track down as much information on different vintage scopes as I can.

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I knew it was a star wars person. Congrats. That is a great looking scope. Tall feet on the correct receiver rings too. Would you be kind enough to post some pictures for me? It looked really, really close but as I wrote above his pictures weren't great. I'm really interested in the branded eyepiece. In his pictures it didn't look right but I coiuldn't really tell. I would certainly have put in a bid or two if I hadn't already tracked down my ASI but I still want to track down as much information on different vintag scopes as I can.

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I'm waiting on it to be delivered from my mate who bid for me on the auction. But once I get it I can get you whichever angle you want. I think it's extremely accurate, and I won it for less than what I paid for my sussex scope without the feet. Although, the sussex scope was in mint condition.

Yes, I saw you have a Sussex in your thread. If you could take some snaps of the Hunter and post them I'd be very grateful to see them. As many as you could would be lovely.

Will do! :)

Hi all, been lurking for a while and keeping an eye on the glut of ebay offerings, one even made it to £180 and was not even a 4x20, it looked like a 4x15 but offered as a 4x20. I've been researching all the bits for a blaster build (I'm an engineer, so this is my sort of thing) and the scope bits seem available, but as what sort of price? Some of the stuff on ebay recently has been rubbish, but fetched crazy money, so what would the realistic ballpark figures be for a set of very good blaster bits?

I've been researching the whole series of available scopes which are similar to the ASI, from what I can tell, the oldest companies (ASI and Nikko Sterling) are the only ones with metal eyepieces dating from the late 1950's, where the glut of newer companies date from the mid to late 1970's and are only available with plastic eyepieces.

propmaster

In terms of scopes I can truly say that the crazy prices are realistic and happened so recently that they should not be denied. As mentioned above I was lucky enough to get an ASI with incorrect Mount for £65.00 and the identical Sussex with the same incorrect mounts for £5. I guess it comes down to how much exposure the sale has. Giving consideration to the recent sales then an ASI with the correct receiver rings and tall mounting pads/feet must be worth at least £200.00 to the right buyer.

Well, I got the scope today. Big thanks to my friend Rob in the UK who bought it and re-shipped it for me. Here's some close ups of the Hunter 4x20 for you. :)
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Locitus, thank-you for taking the time to post the pictures, that is a great looking scope, I kind of wish I put a bid or two in now. I was wondering if you might clear up a few points for me based on trying to compare the Hunter scope and some of my picture in post # 7

The Branded eyepiece: The stages where the angles and tapers change look to have greater definition and be sharper than the pictures of the ASI, Sussex and Webley eyepieces - is the branded eyepiece made of plastic?

The unbranded eyepiece: Does is have extra lip I referred to where the eyepiece meets the tube of the scope? It looks as if it may but hard to tell as the receiver rings are very close and secondly is the unbranded eyepiece missing a section at the end? All of then unbranded eyepieces above have and extra ring that screws into the end that is around 1 - 2mm in depth. I can't see from the pictures if it there or not but it looks not to be as I can't see the tell tale groove where the two pieces meet when screwed together.

Whatever the case that scope is certainly very close to the Sussex and the ASI. Good for you. One to add to the list!

Thanks again for posting.

Andy

Thanks. :)

Now that you mention it, yes, the branded eye piece does taper a little bit different than the sussex. And it's made of plastic. My sussex is metal (aluminium?)

The unbranded eye piece feels like metal, but it's so tightly screwed on I can't get it off to check. It does not have the same lip and is completely smooth all the way back. The lens is screw in as an inset, rather than a "add on", explaining the lack of that lip. The windage knobs also seem to be positioned circa 5 mm further towards the front of the scope (the unbranded end).

Thanks, I thought it might have been plastic. How does the knurled rings compare? It's hard for me to tell but it looks.......... fatter possibly or sits higher from the branded eyepiece? It's hard for me to tell but obviously I don't have the two scopes to compare.

I didn't notice the positioning of the windage block at all.

With the unbranded piece do you mena that it sits entirely flush to the tube where the two meet? I'm a bit confused... which isn't difficult. Really.

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Thanks, I thought it might have been plastic. How does the knurled rings compare? It's hard for me to tell but it looks.......... fatter possibly or sits higher from the branded eyepiece? It's hard for me to tell but obviously I don't have the two scopes to compare.

I didn't notice the positioning of the windage block at all.

With the unbranded piece do you mena that it sits entirely flush to the tube where the two meet? I'm a bit confused... which isn't difficult. Really.

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The knurled ring used to adjust the branded eye piece is slightl different in how the knurles are. They are slightly longer, and the ring as a whole is maybe ½-1 mm longer in total.

No, the unbranded eye piece is a separate piece, but the forward lens is screwed in inside the eye piece, rather than as a separate "stage" creating that extra ring you mentioned.

Thanks. I'm not sure the windage blocks look off. Couldn't tell without comparing the different scopes together. Appear to be right to me though.

The sussex windage knob unit is 1 mm longer, at 31 mm total lenght, vs 30 mm on the hunter. The knobs are identical though.

How did it come to this?
:D

Dunno! :D

My girlfriends eyes glaze over instantly. In fact, I'm amazed she's still around.

Well, Im sure things like that goes both ways. ;)

Using the terms Objective lens and Eyepiece might clear things up a bit ;)

So, putting aside the crazy scope prices, what are the other bits likely to cost? Especially the Webley, that seems to be the hardest to find and therefore price.

Some great info here, I take my hat off to you all for your attention to detail.

propmaster

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Originally Posted by propmaster

Using the terms Objective lens and Eyepiece might clear things up a bit ;)

So, putting aside the crazy scope prices, what are the other bits likely to cost? Especially the Webley, that seems to be the hardest to find and therefore price.

Some great info here, I take my hat off to you all for your attention to detail.

propmaster

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A reasonable point about objective lens and eyepiece, the reason I haven't used these terms is because on the prop the scope is mounted backwards and sometimes confuses the issue as to which piece is being referred to. Even accepting that this renders the scope unusable it therefore means that the branded eyepiece is pointed toward the 'object'. By referring to the 'branded eyepiece' there can be less confusion. Only one end has writing on it. Add in the factor that the correct name for something is often not the name generally understood by people on the boards whom may know it by an entirely different name. It gets even more confusing where some bits (of bits) are called by their real names and some bit are known by their prop names.

With regard to your question about the Webley; price will depend greatly on where in the world you live. My internet searches indicate there are more available in the US than my native England, although this may mean acquiring one of the Nickel plated police baton round guns. More than price I would look to availability and that will inform your concept of price. I direct you to Odiwan72's wtb thread in the cargo hold. He's been looking for ten years. I looked casually for a couple and then spent three years really actively searching, which included scouring car boot sales, antiques fairs, military shows and fairs as well as the normal internet searches. I'm talking a serious investment of time and driving all over the country trying to track one down. If someone like Odiwan72 has been looking for ten years and the two of you ended up in a bidding war over the same Webley then who's to say how far each would go. You might be thinking, assuming you've only just started looking; 'Wow I thought it'd take longer for one to come up' where as he might be thinking 'Ten years, I must have it'. I'm not ashamed to say that in my case I spent a fortune to acquire mine and I consider it money well spent. It cost me the same amount of money as I spent on my MR Millenium Falcon, albeit I bpought that when first released and prices hadn't reached anywhere near today's fever pitch. In the end it was the persistance that won through. My advice is that if you really want one and one becomes available to you then you should go all out to get it. In order to make it more attainable consider the following; I started saving after the first couple of years of having no luck, once I had realised how difficult one would be to obtain. I kept saving until I had saved a lot of money and my budget for one kept creeping higher and higher as more money was saved - that was what I was saving for. When one became available I had the money ready there and then to go and could have bid any sane person who wasn't obscenely rich out of the park. I got my prize and still had plenty of saved money left over.

Thanks intwenothor, this might now be a slightly longer term plan than originally envisaged. Still, I'm pretty good at hunting down random stuff so this will efinitely be fun/obsessive.

propmaster

Sigh...... Here I go again.

Another one for your consideration. I bought this from eBay this week. It was about £30. The reason I really wanted to have a look at it was because it was new 'old' stock. Exactly as it would have been when sold over thirty years ago. It came boxed and with instructions and came with the hero/receiver rings with the tall feet/pads/mounts attached. Both my ASI and my Sussex came with a one piece mount (pictured below) and I took the rings and feet from other scopes. The only other ASI 4 x 20 and Sussex 4 x 20 I have seen for sale on eBay in the last six months also came with the same type of one piece mount (including a Sussex that came boxed - wish I'd bought it now) although I am sure there are boxed ASI's out there that came with the correct mounts and rings I have yet to see one.

Anyway............................................

The Milbro 4 x 20.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0291.jpg
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0282.jpg

Comparison to the ASI. I have not compared to my Sussex as it is identical to my ASI. The Milbro is always on the right (except in the picture where it is clearly on the left).

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0289.jpg

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0290.jpg

Eyepiece comparison. Way line symbol present. The eyepiece on the Milbro is definitely plastic. The ASI is definitely Metal.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0283.jpg

Knurled ring comparison. The Mibro knurled ring is clearly slightly bigger in the grooved section. This reminds so much of Locitus' Hunter 4 x 20 it is uncanny.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0284.jpg

Windage Block et al. Same.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0285.jpg

Unbrande eyepice (objective end - Just for you propmaster:cheers). ASI on top. There is a slight difference in shape here. I think the Milbro starts to taper slightly sooner that the ASI.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0286.jpg

Comparison of where unbranded eyepiece meets tube. Less of a 'lip' on the Milbro but there is still one there.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0287.jpg

Together.......

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0288.jpg

Mounted on a replica prop and painted and weathered so that the light wouldn't betray the fractionally different dimensions and I wouldn't be able to tell them apart without a very close examination and I'd find it next to impossible if I could only look at pictures.


Lastly, a picture of the type of single piece mount that I got on both my ASI and Sussex

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0292.jpg

I think that the Milbro looks a lot like Locitus' Hunter 4 x 20 and is definitely one to add to the list for consideration along with the usual suspects. I now make that to be:

ASI 4 x 20 Scope
Sussex Armoury 4 x 20 Scope
Hunter 4 x 20 Scope
Milbro 4 x 20 scope
'Jason' Scope? - I have never seen or heard of one of these but I am sure I have read 'Jason' referenced with the Master Replicas recreation of the ROTJ EE3.

and of course....... the Vintage part bashed Frankenscope.


I have also edited some earlier posts - most notably post 15 in order to contain more helpful information for those trying to track down the correct hero/receiver rings and tall feet. The edits are easy to find.

Andy

The B.S.A 4x20 Scope looks close to the one which was mounted on the Short Range SE 14 R.
Would like to get a resin copy from that one :-)

I'm no expert but I thought that was an Original Model 7 4x20 scope.

Yeah, that looks a lot like my hunters scope! :)

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Originally Posted by intwenothor

I'm no expert but I thought that was an Original Model 7 4x20 scope.

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You mean for the short range? Never heard of it, do you have some pic's?

Not at the moment but I just did some research and I'm wrong anyway, the model 7 is used on Dr Evazan's blaster. I've looked at some pictures of the SE 14 R and whatever is on that thing does not look like my BSA, the elevation screw caps are totally dissimilar and instantly noticeable to me as well as other differences. Lonepigeon might be the best person to ask.

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Originally Posted by locitus

Yeah, that looks a lot like my hunters scope! :)

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Yeah, I really think so too. Now that I've seen this one I still think you might be missing a bit from
The unbranded eyepiece.

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Originally Posted by intwenothor

Not at the moment but I just did some research and I'm wrong anyway, the model 7 is used on Dr Evazan's blaster. I've looked at some pictures of the SE 14 R and whatever is on that thing does not look like my BSA, the elevation screw caps are totally dissimilar and instantly noticeable to me as well as other differences. Lonepigeon might be the best person to ask.

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Well if you should ever think on selling the B.S.A., remind me ,please :-)
I also asked Lonepigeon on the RPF a year ago because of this scope, he also not knows it.
Seems to be a very rare scope, or a selfbuild.

Hey guys, were any of you the winner (or seller) of this:

A.S.I. 4x20 IMAGE MOVING VINTAGE SCOPE TALL MOUNTS A S I 4 x 20 SIGHT | eBay

If yes, then could you let me know if the branded eyepiece is plastic, looks like it might be? Some pictures would be great.

Andy