EE3 scope. An alternative to the ASI. Vintage part bashing. Pic heavy.
- Thread starter intwenothor
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You mean for the short range? Never heard of it, do you have some pic's?
intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
Not at the moment but I just did some research and I'm wrong anyway, the model 7 is used on Dr Evazan's blaster. I've looked at some pictures of the SE 14 R and whatever is on that thing does not look like my BSA, the elevation screw caps are totally dissimilar and instantly noticeable to me as well as other differences. Lonepigeon might be the best person to ask.
intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
Yeah, that looks a lot like my hunters scope!
Yeah, I really think so too. Now that I've seen this one I still think you might be missing a bit from
The unbranded eyepiece.
Well if you should ever think on selling the B.S.A., remind me ,please
I also asked Lonepigeon on the RPF a year ago because of this scope, he also not knows it.
Seems to be a very rare scope, or a selfbuild.
intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
Hey guys, were any of you the winner (or seller) of this:
A.S.I. 4x20 IMAGE MOVING VINTAGE SCOPE TALL MOUNTS A S I 4 x 20 SIGHT | eBay
If yes, then could you let me know if the branded eyepiece is plastic, looks like it might be? Some pictures would be great.
Andy
A.S.I. 4x20 IMAGE MOVING VINTAGE SCOPE TALL MOUNTS A S I 4 x 20 SIGHT | eBay
If yes, then could you let me know if the branded eyepiece is plastic, looks like it might be? Some pictures would be great.
Andy
intwenothor
Well-Known Hunter
Frankenscope parts list.
Having spent considerable time looking at the EE3 scope I have come to realise that in my original Frankenscope search I acquired some useful information that might benefit others that wasn’t included in the thread. Many of you will be aware that the wiki contains the names of several brands that used identical parts to the correct models in the 1970’s and here I have listed some of the different models that you might seek out if you are constructing a Frankenscope that I have either owned or seen in my scope search. Once again I’ve listed the known correct readymade scopes at the top for the sake of completeness. Please refer to my other Scope and scope ring thread for full information, which also includes the terms of reference to parts and types and should be consulted regarding known original scope types.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/ee3-vintage-scopes-scope-ring-types-46703/
Remember that the proper complete scopes feature the infinity symbol, so don’t rush into a purchase of a correct brand 4x20 but that features the incorrect symbol. I have seen numerous ASI and Milbro that feature the incorrect symbol and these are the wrong scope (some are listed below). included in the list are some rare and valuable scopes in their own right and it might be better to consider keeping those whole and selling on to offset against the cost of a real complete scope rather than butchering for a Frankenscope, however they are included as they do work. The list isn’t exhaustive and I’ll add to it if I find other or if others point the way. The scopes listed are based on the known original conditions.
Factual corrections are welcome, as always.
Best
Andy
Scopes that are complete and include correct receiver rings and tall feet:
Hunter 4x20 (infinity symbol). This is the only scope I have found in the original condition with correct type 2 eyepiece AND correct receiver rings with tall feet. Based on the available evidence I believe this is the most likely to be the actual correct scope used on the ESB prop.
Jason 4x20 (symbol unknown but possibly and probably infinity if present). I've never seen one of these in person but believe it came as the Hunter above in Type 2. As a US brand and not available in the UK this is very unlikely to be the correct model used on the ESB prop.
Milbro 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Rhino 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Scopes that are correct but feature incorrect mounts:
ASI 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with type D single piece mount.
BSA 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with rail attached. Unknown if rail is factory or buyer fitted.
Milbro 4x20 (infinity symbol). Come with type B two piece receiver rings and type B Short feet (meaing I have seen them with both the tall and short feet).
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with type C single piece mount.
Webley and Scott 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with type C single piece mount.
Correct Eyepieces.
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal and type 2 plastic.
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal.
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal.
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal and type 2 plastic.
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal and type 2 plastic.
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal.
These six scopes are identical but for the mounts.
Acceptable Eyepieces.
These very similar to the correct eyepieces and would be indistinguishable on an assembled and weathered scope.
Relum 4x15 (S in circle symbol).
Nikko Stirling Cadet 4x15.
Original Model 9 4x20 (S in circle symbol).
Tasco 4x20 '#605V' (R in circle symbol).
Locking Rings
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Bushnell Sportview 4x15 (no symbol).
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Glenfield 4x15 200B (R in horizontal diamond symbol).
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (E in vertical diamond symbol).
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Tasco 4x20 '#605V' (R in circle symbol).
Tubes.
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbo, gold lettering).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, white and orange lettering).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘short’ version).
Saddle, windage and elevation screws and caps.
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Universal Standard 4x15 (symbol unknown).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Objective Bell.
This is the hardest part to get right and I’ve only seen three scopes with the correct bell with lip that isn’t one of the proper complete scopes listed above. The second two would be correct complete scopes if not for the permanent presence of incorrect mounts. I suppose it might be possible to correct them.
ASI 3-9x20 (Symbol unknown, possible infinity).
ASI 4x20 (infinity symbol with scope rail attached mount attached).
ASI 4x20 (infinity symbol and very tall feet attached).
Acceptable Objective Bells.
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, gold lettering).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, white and orange lettering).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 9 4x20 (S in circle symbol).
Rhino Model R204 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Zenisson 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Type A receiver rings with tall feet.
BSA 1958 4x20 (no symbol). Will ascertain ‘Mk’ model.
Milbro 4x20 (symbol unknown – long eyepiece and does not have additional screws to affix saddle, windage and elevation screws to tube almost as if it were a 4x20 version of the Webley and Scott 4x15 'E in vertical diamond symbol' scope).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (E in vertical diamond symbol).
Type B receiver rings with short feet.
ASI 4x20 (E in vertical diamond symbol)
ASI 4x20 (S in circle symbol – same as ‘short’ version Original Model 7 4x20).
ASI 4x20 (Y in equilateral triangle symbol)
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, gold lettering).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbo, white and orange lettering).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘short’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘squat’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘squat’ version).
Rhino Model R204 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (E in vertical diamond symbol).
Type C mount to be cut for ROTJ stunt mounts.
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Bushnell Sportview 4x15 (no symbol).
Glenfield 4x15 200B (R in horizontal diamond symbol).
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Universal Standard 4x15 (symbol unknown).
Webley and Scott 4x20 (Infinity symbol).
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Having spent considerable time looking at the EE3 scope I have come to realise that in my original Frankenscope search I acquired some useful information that might benefit others that wasn’t included in the thread. Many of you will be aware that the wiki contains the names of several brands that used identical parts to the correct models in the 1970’s and here I have listed some of the different models that you might seek out if you are constructing a Frankenscope that I have either owned or seen in my scope search. Once again I’ve listed the known correct readymade scopes at the top for the sake of completeness. Please refer to my other Scope and scope ring thread for full information, which also includes the terms of reference to parts and types and should be consulted regarding known original scope types.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f20/ee3-vintage-scopes-scope-ring-types-46703/
Remember that the proper complete scopes feature the infinity symbol, so don’t rush into a purchase of a correct brand 4x20 but that features the incorrect symbol. I have seen numerous ASI and Milbro that feature the incorrect symbol and these are the wrong scope (some are listed below). included in the list are some rare and valuable scopes in their own right and it might be better to consider keeping those whole and selling on to offset against the cost of a real complete scope rather than butchering for a Frankenscope, however they are included as they do work. The list isn’t exhaustive and I’ll add to it if I find other or if others point the way. The scopes listed are based on the known original conditions.
Factual corrections are welcome, as always.
Best
Andy
Scopes that are complete and include correct receiver rings and tall feet:
Hunter 4x20 (infinity symbol). This is the only scope I have found in the original condition with correct type 2 eyepiece AND correct receiver rings with tall feet. Based on the available evidence I believe this is the most likely to be the actual correct scope used on the ESB prop.
Jason 4x20 (symbol unknown but possibly and probably infinity if present). I've never seen one of these in person but believe it came as the Hunter above in Type 2. As a US brand and not available in the UK this is very unlikely to be the correct model used on the ESB prop.
Milbro 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Rhino 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Scopes that are correct but feature incorrect mounts:
ASI 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with type D single piece mount.
BSA 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with rail attached. Unknown if rail is factory or buyer fitted.
Milbro 4x20 (infinity symbol). Come with type B two piece receiver rings and type B Short feet (meaing I have seen them with both the tall and short feet).
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with type C single piece mount.
Webley and Scott 4x20 (infinity symbol). Comes with type C single piece mount.
Correct Eyepieces.
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal and type 2 plastic.
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal.
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal.
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal and type 2 plastic.
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal and type 2 plastic.
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol). Comes in type 1 metal.
These six scopes are identical but for the mounts.
Acceptable Eyepieces.
These very similar to the correct eyepieces and would be indistinguishable on an assembled and weathered scope.
Relum 4x15 (S in circle symbol).
Nikko Stirling Cadet 4x15.
Original Model 9 4x20 (S in circle symbol).
Tasco 4x20 '#605V' (R in circle symbol).
Locking Rings
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Bushnell Sportview 4x15 (no symbol).
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Glenfield 4x15 200B (R in horizontal diamond symbol).
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (E in vertical diamond symbol).
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Tasco 4x20 '#605V' (R in circle symbol).
Tubes.
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbo, gold lettering).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, white and orange lettering).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘short’ version).
Saddle, windage and elevation screws and caps.
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Universal Standard 4x15 (symbol unknown).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Objective Bell.
This is the hardest part to get right and I’ve only seen three scopes with the correct bell with lip that isn’t one of the proper complete scopes listed above. The second two would be correct complete scopes if not for the permanent presence of incorrect mounts. I suppose it might be possible to correct them.
ASI 3-9x20 (Symbol unknown, possible infinity).
ASI 4x20 (infinity symbol with scope rail attached mount attached).
ASI 4x20 (infinity symbol and very tall feet attached).
Acceptable Objective Bells.
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, gold lettering).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, white and orange lettering).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 9 4x20 (S in circle symbol).
Rhino Model R204 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Zenisson 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Type A receiver rings with tall feet.
BSA 1958 4x20 (no symbol). Will ascertain ‘Mk’ model.
Milbro 4x20 (symbol unknown – long eyepiece and does not have additional screws to affix saddle, windage and elevation screws to tube almost as if it were a 4x20 version of the Webley and Scott 4x15 'E in vertical diamond symbol' scope).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (E in vertical diamond symbol).
Type B receiver rings with short feet.
ASI 4x20 (E in vertical diamond symbol)
ASI 4x20 (S in circle symbol – same as ‘short’ version Original Model 7 4x20).
ASI 4x20 (Y in equilateral triangle symbol)
Crosman 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbol, gold lettering).
Nikko Stirling Mountie 4x20 (No symbo, white and orange lettering).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘long’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘short’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (S in circle symbol ‘squat’ version).
Original Model 7 4x20 (No symbol but identical to S in circle symbol ‘squat’ version).
Rhino Model R204 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Webley and Scott 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Webley and Scott 4x15 (E in vertical diamond symbol).
Type C mount to be cut for ROTJ stunt mounts.
ASI 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Bushnell Sportview 4x15 (no symbol).
Glenfield 4x15 200B (R in horizontal diamond symbol).
Kassnar 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Milbro 4x15 (infinity symbol).
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (infinity symbol).
Sussex Armoury 4x20 (S in circle symbol). This is the same as the 'Long' Original Model 7s.
Universal Standard 4x15 (symbol unknown).
Webley and Scott 4x20 (Infinity symbol).
World Famous 4x15 (infinity symbol).
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