Does anyone recognize this suit/pics? SCAM?

Not that I amount to a hill of beans on here, I just lurk a lot, but I personally know devil and yes he has spent a load of money on Boba gear recently. His financial situation gives him one time a year to spend money on the things he wants and that is tax time.

yeah he's spent a lot of money recently... but honestly 400.00 for gauntlets that arent metal is a bit high anyway if he was as tight on money as he says. alas.

He had heard that they where great from many people so he gave them a chance and other than the major crack he liked them and was just asking for an undamaged piece, much like you would do if you went to a store and bought something for a large amount of money, just to find when you got it home that it was broken. Everyone of us would take it back to the store to get it replaced not fixed but replaced.

I feel for the guy, but he's been a bit of a jerk in a lot of the posts he's in lately. :( quick to hash things out on people in public and attack innocent by-posters just cause he's angry

He had been ripped off of $500 from butters and to his mind $400 again with the gauntlets, where the damage is on them would be very hard to fix if at all possible and paying $400 for them he had expected to be able to use them.

I know of many things he has bought to almost complete a boba or jango tax time after tax time just to turn around and sell them because he needed money, if someone had an issue with what he sold them he ALWAYS took care of it. Even though he does nothing more than paint a lot of the items he bends over backward to help his "customer" and just expected the same in return.

Anyway in a 2 week period of time he is out (or could be considered out) $900 I think that would upset alot of people, did he get hot headed, yes he did, did he deserve a ban according to the rules of TDH , yes and he is serving it without much of a complaint but take a moment and look at it from where he was coming from 2 weeks almost $3000 in Boba parts from the community here, of which $900 was lost. He was told by many members to suck it up and consider it a lesson learned. OUCH tough lesson.

Ok back to your normally scheduled bounties and BTW I love TDH even if I don't post much.
 
No one told him to suck it up. I know I read the whole thing. Members gave him options and sugguestions. I never once read anything that sounded like, Too Bad so Sad..
 
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tazrob, not to get into the same argument with you as it was headed with Devil, but the issue was, a bunch of us were trying to help him, assuming he COULDNT get a replacement. we all wanted him to be able to get his money back... but if he couldnt, we were offering solutions to help him maybe fix the crack then sell the gauntlets to get some of his money back. we didnt so much want him to suck it up, well, not I, I just wanted him to have an option of getting 300-350 of his money back by ebay.

if you are in this long enough you lost money somewhere. its unfortunate but it happens to a lot of us :( the issue was he cursed at and disrespected folk only wanting to help him if he got stuck with the gauntlets with no refund. and to encourage him to try sending them back for the fix that was offered.

as for the money thing, i too have little to throw around. other than the Kids around here, I probably make less than everyone else. which is why i have to look hard at what I buy and why I went with the gauntlets I did that look darn good for 1/4 MoW especially after digging around to see I wasnt that thrilled with MoW for the price.

I still hope he's able to get something out of it... as I posted in that thread, there are a LOT of people selling stuff waaaay overpriced who dont care about their work now-a-days or their costumers. see us as a meal ticket, cause those who have huge disposable incomes can throw money at them :( it really really sucks.
 
I am not here to argue with anyone, Its all good I just did not want to see a lynch mob develop AGAIN, lol. Taco you still working on Jedi belts?
 
He had heard that they where great from many people so he gave them a chance and other than the major crack he liked them and was just asking for an undamaged piece, much like you would do if you went to a store and bought something for a large amount of money, just to find when you got it home that it was broken. Everyone of us would take it back to the store to get it replaced not fixed but replaced.

I think this is actually a really important thing that not a lot of folks think about...

We're used to that mentality. We buy something at Target, it's busted, we bring it back, and all is well.

The thing to remember is that while it's cool when a hobbyist does that, it's not really *required* of them, since there are no rules to govern our illegal passtime. Word of mouth / reputation is really the only governance.

We *expect* that level of service, but really shouldn't.

To that end, I'm really clear about things when I sell stuff that I make. As-is, final sale, no returns, if you're not happy sell it to someone else, but I don't want it back. If people don't want to buy from me, that's fine.

Anyway, I think it's a good lesson to us all that we need to remember that the established framework of retail sales does not necessarily apply in the hobby realm.
 
and generally, large ticket items, if opened, you dont get a new one, you have to send it back to be fixed. happened with x-boxes recently. you send it in to get it fixed, they didnt always send ya a new one. sometimes the retail store you bought it at will take it back, but not always. especially with electronics.

I still hope Devil sends it back and gets them fixed or is able to resell them.
 
as a seller, I'd be worried someone would have decided they didnt want the item, or found a cheaper option, and is breaking it on purpose to get a refund.

not saying that happened here, as it seems obvious DS had a bunch of people in the same boat as him with that particular seller...

but thats why I never got into large expensive things, I only make small things and cloth things, mostly Rebel costumes. as if someone decides they dont want it, its not gonna be broken and sent back to me. and I generally dont make a large profit anyway.

I think we should be able to get that level of service for props, but I certainly dont expect it anymore :( which is why i take a long time before I trust a seller. *shrug*

both sides of our hobby is a bit dangerous unfortunately :(
 
not saying that happened here, as it seems obvious DS had a bunch of people in the same boat as him with that particular seller...

that is the part that I think shouldn't have gone ignored. MOW really had no response to any of the comments about consistency in his product and I'm sure everyone would have liked to hear his side of the story.

Unfortunately, I think with Devil's ban the message that came across was that negative comments towards sellers were not allowed or not taken seriously.

and to take it a bit further, I know this is more of an independent market and not big box retailers, but why shouldn't we expect great service from TDH sellers?

I mean aren't we all here to help each other out anyways? I mean i'm sure every seller likes to make profit on their work, but if we're really thinking about money wouldn't it have been better to just replace the gauntlet for Devil?

Devil probably would have just started a thread, like most members do, commenting on how accommodating MOW was in the transaction and how no one should hesitate to buy from him? Even from a business standpoint it makes more sense. All it really turned into was people telling him that he should have bought from Wickedbeard or that they had similar problems with MOW's product.
 
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Why *shouldn't* we?? :confused


because the sellers are under no *obigation* to provide it.

i guess i overly simplified that... it would be nice if we could expect it, but it's the seller's call whether they provide it or not.

i've bought stuff from awesome people and **** people. i tell folks my experiences as they happen, and leave it at that.

this isn't the first time that mow has been called out on support issues. when i've been asked about him, i say that his stuff is great when it comes all correct, but if you have an issue, his support is lackluster.

just like durasteel/partsandtechnical.com... HUGE pain to deal with, but awesome awesome stuff when you finally get it.

so i don't want it to seem that i'm defending mow or anything.

i'm just saying that i'm never surprised when someone stinks to deal with. when someone IS great to deal with, it's a great thing, but i don't expect it.

maybe it's just a cynical attitude, but i almost expect to NOT get what i paid for most of the time.
 
Unfortunately, I think with Devil's ban the message that came across was that negative comments towards sellers were not allowed or not taken seriously.

i'd like to take this opportunity to speak to the above issue, as it simply is not the case.

Devilstar was initially banned because of the manner within which he chose to handle the situation with MOW. As I stated to Devilstar, I was sympathetic to his situation, and especially in light of the fact that he had so recently been taken advantage of, sadly, by "Butters". Devilstar violated the CoC through the repeated and pervasive use of profanity and through a lack of respect for the members and admins of this forum. It was not the fact that Devilstaf was dissatisfied with a Seller, that is your perogative, however, it was the manner within which he chose to express his dissatisfaction, i.e. the use of profanity, etc.

It is not our intent to curb discussion of available Fett parts and makers, quite the converse. However, as with any topic to be discussed herein, the discussion must be consistent with our CoC. Simply stated, while its ok to be frustrated, and, yes, even angry on occasions, there are ways to express that in a manner that is mature, and, moreover, within the confines of the CoC.

Devilstar's ban was made permanent due to a completely unrepentant attitude and further transgressions in private conversations with the Admins. It was unfortunate, mostly because it was completely avoidable. It certainly was not the outcome we wanted, but it was the path he chose for himself. To that end, we wish him the best in his future endeavors.

I hope this clarifies the issue.

Regards,
OSK
 
I think DS did take the matter a little over the top, and I do feel sorry for him. OSK is right in the fact that Devilstar could have expressed his anger / disappointment in a more suitable way, and it's too bad that it ended this way.

Thanks for clearing up the whole issue OSK.

-Naas
 
i'd like to take this opportunity to speak to the above issue, as it simply is not the case.

Oh I do understand, that he was not banned for voicing his disapproval, but more certain ways he chose to say things.

The point I did wish to address, was how much were the MOW accusations looked into. I'm sure that all the mods discussed on how to punish Devil, but did anyone follow up on any of the concerns brought up about MOW's product?

I know admins don't wish to spend their whole time policing the cargo hold, but if there is shoddy product being pushed on TDH, then you would be a little concerned right?

MOW's product always seemed tip-top and I haven't ever owned one of his pieces, but I just think its a little odd that Devil got the banned stamp, and the whole topic of the argument was kinda pushed aside. Just doesn't seem case closed to me :confused
 
so i don't want it to seem that i'm defending mow or anything.

i'm just saying that i'm never surprised when someone stinks to deal with. when someone IS great to deal with, it's a great thing, but i don't expect it.

maybe it's just a cynical attitude, but i almost expect to NOT get what i paid for most of the time.

OK. Now I understand where you are coming from Brian. Thanks for taking the time to explain that! (y)
 
even though he was a bit harsh on here, it's still good to know that he got all but 17 bucks back. good for him. I never would want someone to get scammed like that.
 
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