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  1. Shinobi_Fett's Avatar
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    Oct 22, 2008, 5:09 PM - AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #1

    Hey! Check this out! This scope, although its a casting, has a totally different scope than the ASI! In fact, I know its a Armsport scope 4x15 because I bought one myself! The scope rings are attached to each other, but they have been (as I had) cut apart you can see. I will have to take a clear photo of mine for a good comparison.
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    Oct 22, 2008, 8:54 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #2

    Nice, but where is this cating from? Is this one of the MoM exhibits or something? I ask because I know that the ROTJ version was just a quick casting and not a real webley as the esb was.
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    Oct 23, 2008, 3:26 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #3

    Quote Stormrider said: View Post
    Nice, but where is this cating from? Is this one of the MoM exhibits or something?
    As the title of the thread implies, this is the rubber casting seen at the AoSW and C4 exhibits.


    Shinobi, I am just not following you at all... What is making you think this a different scope? If the point you are making is that the scope rings are a slightly different model han what is seen on the hero rifle and that they cut apart a one piece mount to create the two rings, I agree with that possibility as I have seen similar single piece mounts, but aside from that... I am just not getting why that is making you believe the scopes themselves are different.
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    Oct 23, 2008, 8:15 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #4

    Thanks art. I totally blanked on the title.

    That being said i realize im probably not qualified to chime in, but wasnt it established that 'asi' was only one company the scope was 'distributed' through? Wasnt it established by some of you gurus that there were other companies that probably distributed the same scope (at least a majority of its parts) through different labels for different parts of different countries?
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    Oct 23, 2008, 11:22 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #5

    If the point you are making is that the scope rings are a slightly different model han what is seen on the hero rifle and that they cut apart a one piece mount to create the two rings, I agree with that possibility as I have seen similar single piece mounts, but aside from that...
    That is my point though! The MoM rifle has the accepted ASI (or similar manufacture) scope, but the AoSW is clearly a different scope altogether. Both are castings of the Webley, but perhaps the AoSW is a Stunt prop that was stuck in there for the exhibit. Here, look at these photos: The marked up AoSW shot, an Armsport scope, and the MoM version.
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    Oct 23, 2008, 11:49 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #6

    Im lost... :P
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    Oct 23, 2008, 11:52 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #7

    so...
    The Hero has a different set of mounts than the Stunt.
    right?
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    Oct 23, 2008, 12:10 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #8

    i think the disconnect here is on the scope *mounts* vs. the *scope*.

    the pics show different *mounts*, but the scope itself seems the same.

    i think that's what we're on here! and it's a cool thing to notice... when i was having a hard time finding the mounts that i wanted, i thought about getting one of those 1 piece ones and cutting it. now i know that i'd be accurate (from a certain point of view)
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    Oct 23, 2008, 12:18 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #9

    heh heh! "From a certain point of view...: BEN KENOBI LIVES!

    Yeah, that is really the point, that this particular AoSW scope is not hero, and not even a casting of a hero prop. As I suggest, it could be a stunt rifle, which might have even had screen time in some scene. Now I have to comb through the ROTJ caps again
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    Oct 23, 2008, 2:52 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #10

    So.... was stormtrooperguy right that you are really talking about the scope mounts/rings and not the actual scope? I still feel that the SCOPE on both the hero and the stunt are the same scopes... but the rings/mounts are clearly different as you pointed out. Now here is something to consider. I seriously doubt ASI is the only company with that scope body. Undoubtedly the scope is a generic scope that was marketed by several companies... Armsport could have been one of those companies. If you are indeed meaning to say "the AoSW is clearly a different scope altogether" I have to disagree. I believe it is the same scope... but the rings which mount it to the webley are different. You do realize that the rings/mounts will come off the scope, right?
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    Oct 23, 2008, 2:53 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #11

    Yes.

    Quote slave1pilot said: View Post
    so...
    The Hero has a different set of mounts than the Stunt.
    right?
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    Oct 23, 2008, 3:30 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #12

    You do realize that the rings/mounts will come off the scope, right?
    I do indeed! In fact I'm going to put the webley rings on the armsport scope tube. The distinguishing features of any scope seem to be the windage knobs, the rings and the optics, the body is just an aluminum (or plastic) tube. I'd think that since the rest of the armsport looks similar to the ASI, they might have used a whole piece, but that's just conjecture!
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    Oct 24, 2008, 2:18 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #13

    Quote Stormrider said: View Post
    wasnt it established that 'asi' was only one company the scope was 'distributed' through? Wasnt it established by some of you gurus that there were other companies that probably distributed the same scope (at least a majority of its parts) through different labels for different parts of different countries?
    If these things were established, I don't know about them. I know the ASI scope matches what we see on the hero rifle. It has always been my belief that the scope might have been marketed under other brands but until now, to the best of my knowledge, no one else had found a correct scope marketed under another name. Perhaps I am just dense, because I am still not completely sure what point Shinobi is making here (I kinda feel like we are arguing the same thing, but wording it differently) but it appears he has found another company (armsport) which sold the same scope, but with different scope rings.
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    Oct 26, 2008, 2:03 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #14

    well shinobi,
    since you mentioned "armsport", i couldn't help but look around a bit. what i find interesting is that the armsport, webley an a.s.i scope all share the same symbol as shown in the picture. could be a manufacturer logo. so maybe the armsport, webleys and a.s.i. are the same scope. just branded differently. there is an armsport scope on ebay that has the same logo, on your's shinobi it looks like all markings were scratched off...

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    Oct 27, 2008, 11:08 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #15

    Wow! great catch V! Yeah, the armsport scope I bought was WELL worn, scratched and rusty (though the "tube" is pretty clean)

    I'm not trying to argue anything Art, please don't take it that I'm being combatative or difficult, my only point in this thread is that to AoSW rifle has different rings than the ASI (et al.) and that I think I've matched them up to Armsport 4x15. Also adding in that it means that ppiece cold be a stunt rifle, but that's mere speculation
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    Oct 28, 2008, 5:55 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #16

    Clearly the rings are different - definitely a cut up one piece mount.
    I disagree that the scope on the prop matches the Armsport though. It looks like an ASI still.
    Proportions differ a lot between all these 4x20 and 4x15 scopes. I've seen correct knobs and bases on a few brands, but the only 100% correct scope I've seen has been an ASI (although NOT all ASI's are the same either).
    The eyepiece on the Armsport pictured is clearly too long, the other end looks too short. It's not bad though. Closer than the Walmart scopes that are "close enough" for some builders.

    The one piece mount is not exclusive to Armsport. I've seen those on a few brands. In fact one of my ASI's came with one. The Rexim-Favor based gun used in Alien had an ASI 4x20 scope (brand name and model visible) with a one-piece mount and was even built by Bapty (same builder as the Star Wars blasters).
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    Oct 28, 2008, 7:57 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #17

    Wow, I have seen a lot of pics of the Rexim Favor but have never seen one clear enough to be able to read the brand name! I would love to see a photo of that is possible!
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    Oct 28, 2008, 10:35 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #18

    Ah! Thanks LP! I'd be curious so see that pic too! Do you also have a pic of an ASI by itself with a one-piece ring configuration?
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    Oct 29, 2008, 3:20 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #19

    Here you go...


    Obviously from the watermark you can see these came from Jason Eaton (originally posted on the RPF).

    One of my ASI's had this same one piece bracket on it when I got it. I see now it's not the same exact bracket as in the AoSW pics though.
    I have a couple other different one piece brackets somewhere. They came off various 4x15's I've collected over the years. I will have to check if they match the AoSW one.

    VERY interesting that this AoSW blaster has these oddball rings. Good catch!


    BTW - I always thought that wavy line icon had something to do with the scope's focus depth - like an infinity symbol. Although I may be wrong.
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    Oct 29, 2008, 4:04 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #20

    nice pic.
    at first i thought it was an infinity symbol as well. but it can be found on the armsports, webleys and a.s.i's of that era. on other scopes i have, that symbol does not show. i believe it's a manufacturer symbol.
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    Oct 29, 2008, 10:44 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #21

    Great pics LP! It may be the same scope actually... the AoSW scope shows signs of modification, so they could have done a hacksaw job for it. I think I agree with Volker on it being a manufacturer mark.
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    Oct 30, 2008, 2:20 AM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #22

    Quote Shinobi_Fett said: View Post
    Great pics LP! It may be the same scope actually... the AoSW scope shows signs of modification, so they could have done a hacksaw job for it. I think I agree with Volker on it being a manufacturer mark.
    I did a little checking and I agree with Volkerc about the mark too.
    Nice work figuring that out V!

    I found the same mark on some other scopes. I have several different 4x15 scopes from one brand yet the only ones that have that mark are the scopes that that have parts which match the ASI. The mark always follows JAPAN no matter where the country name is on the scope.

    I bet some scope book or price guide would have a key to manufacturer symbols. There's a book I've been wanted to get called Old Rifle Scopes, but it's out of print and always sells for over $100. I checked the state library catalog, no luck.

    I think the AoSW blaster has an ASI. I have scopes with parts that match your Armsport so I recognized the longer eyepiece and shorter end bell right away. I'm using a longer eyepiece like that on my IG-88 head (better match for the droid part than the ASI-style one). I've seen a Webley like your Armsport too - right knobs and base, wrong end bells.
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    Dec 4, 2008, 5:03 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #23

    ok,
    here's more. bobaswede was kind enough to answer a question i had about his sussex armory scope he said looked close to the a.s.i. so i asked him for a picture of the area where i suspected the same manufacturer logo. and bingo, the picture he provided has the same logo stamped on the scope (which loooks like an infinity sign, but is not).
    i own a sussex armory scope from a different manufacturer with a different man. logo. so i say his is an accurate 4x20 coming from the same factory, all it is, it just says sussex armory, not a.s.i. so another choice to get a scope.




    here you find bobaswedes topic with more pics:
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/showthread.php?t=25792
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    Dec 4, 2008, 5:33 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #24

    Intresting thread.. I'd be happy to supply you guys with more pics with a scaled ruler for reference if anyone is intrested.


    But i must give a notice of caution first. I have a newborn at home so as Volkerc has already experianced... it might take me a week or so to get them posted... but they WILL be posted.

    Also. If anyone want the full resolution version of the above image send me a PM with your email. The image is something like 3.5 MB big.

    *** EDIT ***

    And to belive that i was actually considering trying to scrape the logo off as i thought it distrupted the look of the blaster.. good thing i didn't...
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    Dec 4, 2008, 6:37 PM - Re: AoSW Rifle revelation!!!! #25

    Quote Boba Swede said: View Post

    *** EDIT ***

    And to belive that i was actually considering trying to scrape the logo off as i thought it distrupted the look of the blaster.. good thing i didn't...
    came in handy you didn't...

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