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    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    Armydad said: View Post
    Dont want to start an argument gents, but Im going for an SE Fett, and a seam around the bottom can clearly be seen in the SE Fett pics in the gallery, AND, in other versions it seams that the actual seam is tucked under the edge so it would only be visible from the inside of the vest- Just saying, there are a few different versions of everything when Fett is involved and there are a few great suppliers with their own take on things and they are all good in their own rights.
    I'm just going to offer my opinion. Feel free to disagree. But I studied this very closely over the years. The bottom seam you see is in fact a single join seam between the backing and the front material. The reason it is visible out in front in the reference photos from the traveling displays is due to SAG of the backing material and the filler inside the original vests (which are very old!). The sag has caused the bottom seam to be exposed over time. The seam originally was not visible from the front. You will not find any photos from any of the original film shoots in 1979 and 1982 which show that bottom seam visible in the front like that. And also, the backing material (inside of the vest) on the original was not any sort of reflective or shiny material. It was a heavier cotton material -- another reason for the sag. so for it to be accurate, as far as SE, it has to be a sagging seam, where the backing material is sagging, not an actual seam that goes all the way through from front to back at the bottom (creating a lip) like I see on the MOW vest.

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    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    I agree 100% with Lufo

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    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    +1 with Luffo and S1P

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    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    its not an argument its a discussion unless theres name calling

    But like I had said before and will say again there should be no seam, even in the promo pics if you look close there isnt a seam, its the backing which is the same fabric inside out?

  5. #30

    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    its the backing which is the same fabric inside out?
    As far as the backing being the same material as the front of the vest, from what I have seen of the inside shows a different fabric than the outside. There are not many production photos of the inside but the few there are show a different, darker fabric, and if you take a look at the super huge photos in the galleries of the traveling exhibits, you can get in close enough on that bottom seam in several pics to see that there is a different weave and color on that sagging backing material. You can see in the attached pic from one of the exhibits how the backing weave looks very similar to the weave of the cotton flightsuit. It does not appear to me to be the same as the material on the front of the vest. But I am no expert on fabric.

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    Think it was batninja was saying the tackle twill has a shiny side and a not shiny side

  7. #32

    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    Lufo1138 said: View Post
    I'm just going to offer my opinion. Feel free to disagree. But I studied this very closely over the years. The bottom seam you see is in fact a single join seam between the backing and the front material. The reason it is visible out in front in the reference photos from the traveling displays is due to SAG of the backing material and the filler inside the original vests (which are very old!). The sag has caused the bottom seam to be exposed over time. The seam originally was not visible from the front. You will not find any photos from any of the original film shoots in 1979 and 1982 which show that bottom seam visible in the front like that. And also, the backing material (inside of the vest) on the original was not any sort of reflective or shiny material. It was a heavier cotton material -- another reason for the sag. so for it to be accurate, as far as SE, it has to be a sagging seam, where the backing material is sagging, not an actual seam that goes all the way through from front to back at the bottom (creating a lip) like I see on the MOW vest.
    And I agree, Im not saying MoW has the absolute most movie accurate vest, simply that the seam can be seen, and again I agree it is a slightly different stitch, and other suppliers have their quirks here and there as well- in the end gentlemen (or lady fetts) its your personal preference which suppliers you decide to purchase from. Happy hunting!!

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    Armydad not challenging you at all bro, if you've ever taken a look at Kurtyboy (the original poster) thread on his never ending upgrades you would know he is all about the accuracy and not price or anything like that, so dont take offense to me or anyone saying that something isnt accurate and all that, just stating the facts.

  9. #34

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    None taken by any means, and I understand wanting full accuracy, its an awesome goal to set- we're all Fett fans here after all

  10. #35

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    Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    Think it was batninja was saying the tackle twill has a shiny side and a not shiny side
    Even if that were true, it doesn't have a completely different weave.

  11. #36

    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    So what happened to all these super accurate new vests that were coming soon???

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    Batninja is doing another run

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    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    Fett 4 Real said: View Post
    Think it was batninja was saying the tackle twill has a shiny side and a not shiny side
    Yes it does and the vest is shiney side and the neckseal is the dull side.
    I have to agree with sag on the lining causing the visible seam on the lower edge. Esp as ancient as the fabric is.

  14. #39

    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    Let's see those new accurate vests! MoW? Clothears?

  15. #40

    Re: Who makes the most screen accurate Boba Fett flak vest available?

    Does anyone have any reference photos of a screen used Boba flak vest without the back armor? Particularly interested to see the slots for the jetpack hooks.

  16. #41

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    what you are looking for is in the background of this picture...

    Boba Fett Return of the Jedi Costume - BTS - The Dented Helmet Gallery

    on the left, someone is holding the flak vest. You can clearly see the righthand slot for the jetpack strap.

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    Last edited by Lufo1138; Jul 5, 2012 at 3:46 PM.

  17. #42

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    Wow! I hadn't seen that photo before and thanks for pointing it out.

    Well looks like the 'most accurate flak vest available' needs some modifications now before I buy one LOL!

  18. #43

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    I talked to Christian. He is up for making modifications. I haven't had a chance to follow up. Keep us informed!

  19. #44

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    OOhhh... that extra seam running horizontally above the jetback hook slots! We can't do without that!

    I've been talking to Clothears as recommended by RS. Looks good but needs some changes.

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    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    That seam does (edit) NOT (edit) appear on all the vests. There is a slight difference between ESB/PP1/2/3 and the ROTJ vest. The vest shown in that picture is a stunt version of the vest I believe and does not share the details of the ESB/PP style.
    Here is the back of the PP2 vest.

    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/galle...hp?photo=11623

    See the full gallery near the top of this thread.
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f25/3...l-armor-43114/

    I really wish somebody would make a more accurate vest. Not just the details, the patterns need to be new as well.
    Kurtyboy, I knew the RS guys were planning one with Clothears. I never saw a pattern before Rob got very busy wit stormtroopers. If you have seen it can you PM me?
    Last edited by Keegan; Jul 5, 2012 at 9:24 PM. Reason: Missed a critical word! DOH

  21. #46

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    Now those are great pics.

    I agree. We need a more accurate vest. Pattern and material in current versions are not really very close.

  22. #47

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    Alison at Clothears just pointed out those PP2 vest photos to me. Man have I been lazy, I've only viewed a fraction of the reference photos at TDH.... there's just so many of them!

    Clothears have indeed made a vest to RS' specs.

    kbrosseau said: View Post
    That seam does (edit) NOT (edit) appear on all the vests. There is a slight difference between ESB/PP1/2/3 and the ROTJ vest. The vest shown in that picture is a stunt version of the vest I believe and does not share the details of the ESB/PP style.
    Here is the back of the PP2 vest.

    Boba Fett ESB Promotional Armor 2 - The Dented Helmet Gallery

    See the full gallery near the top of this thread.
    http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f25/3...l-armor-43114/

    I really wish somebody would make a more accurate vest. Not just the details, the patterns need to be new as well.
    Kurtyboy, I knew the RS guys were planning one with Clothears. I never saw a pattern before Rob got very busy wit stormtroopers. If you have seen it can you PM me?

  23. #48

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    With these photos of the PP2 vest it seems to taper in at the waist. Seriously 'fitted'! All the replicas seem to just go straight down.

    Clothears on the left, original on the right.


  24. #49

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    Anyone know the correct number of padded strips on each sleeve? I'm getting 16 or 17.

  25. #50

    Re: Anyone got photos of the screen used vest sans back armor?

    hmmm... have them put it on a fitting form or something. It'll be easier to compare the problem areas. But it looks to me like that is completely the wrong fabric. It shines like silk. The originals do not have that kind of shine, and the difference is not simply due to weathering. The highlights on the replica are stronger at higher levels of incidence than the original which has spec highlights pile up more straight-on to the observer. That fabric is also WAY too heavy. It drapes entirely differently. Not even close.

    kurtyboy said: View Post
    With these photos of the PP2 vest it seems to taper in at the waist. Seriously 'fitted'! All the replicas seem to just go straight down.

    Clothears on the left, original on the right.


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